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Sharks - Development about to "blow up"

docbrown

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Why not easts souths when rusty pulls the pin?

Well in the mean time they seem to be doing well at their memberships and revenue.

I think it's hard to merge with a club that has a powerful brand - Rabbitohs & Sharks are two very good mascots and have done well to make them recognisable.

I don't want to see the Sharks relocated to another city because I doubt that fans will travel to see their away games - but if they merge with a Sydney club then they can still have 6 games at Endeavour.

That said - if you had the backing of people with business clout like they do at the Roosters, you clubhouse development would have been benefited greatly.

First and foremost I'm a rugby league fan and I wish all clubs the best in their futures.
 
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the mole...

well.
whatever

has anything from that segment come to fruition?


in any case...the decision will be in november. the consortium and the sharks seem quite confident that it will go ahead through 3a.

if it dosnt then thats it. but weve tried. the proposal is a very professional one. the developers are reputable. IMO they cant possibly have done more
 

Ausguy

Coach
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I dont question their members etc... they have done great.

Fact remains without rusty as their finanical backer and owner... they are in trouble.
 

Liddell

Juniors
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Who would ever know...?

He made it clear in his message to the fans a few years back he can only fork out so much. Hence the jump in membership numbers. Everything is right off the field, its just on where we still struggle.
 
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also

did the mole say "they need to drop more money in it"

now that is factually incorrect. the consortium will be putting up the cash. not us. the EGM was to vote on the division of assets between us and the developers. the previous model was to go ourselves. financially irresponsible.

its a joint venture. we put up the land for them to build on. in return we get upfront payments to service existing debt, yearly commercial rent and percentage of residential sale. that and more foot traffic around the club. we will also be moving away from the relience on poker machines.

also free's up the club to contribute more given that the bank has set a limit of 250k a year.

further more, if it is approved the land value goes up past what our debt currently is. which is huge..because currently the land is worth less than the debt as it stands.

what the developers get out of it is the majority percentage of the sale of residential property aswell as other associated moneys that come with a development of this size.
 

Ausguy

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also

did the mole say "they need to drop more money in it"

now that is factually incorrect. the consortium will be putting up the cash. not us. the EGM was to vote on the division of assets between us and the developers. the previous model was to go ourselves. financially irresponsible.

its a joint venture. we put up the land for them to build on. in return we get upfront payments to service existing debt, yearly commercial rent and percentage of residential sale. that and more foot traffic around the club. we will also be moving away from the relience on poker machines.

also free's up the club to contribute more given that the bank has set a limit of 250k a year.

further more, if it is approved the land value goes up past what our debt currently is. which is huge..because currently the land is worth less than the debt as it stands.

what the developers get out of it is the majority percentage of the sale of residential property aswell as other associated moneys that come with a development of this size.

Be careful with the facts RCB.... :D

You might scare some posters off...
 

Ronnie Dobbs

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also

did the mole say "they need to drop more money in it"

now that is factually incorrect. the consortium will be putting up the cash. not us. the EGM was to vote on the division of assets between us and the developers. the previous model was to go ourselves. financially irresponsible.

its a joint venture. we put up the land for them to build on. in return we get upfront payments to service existing debt, yearly commercial rent and percentage of residential sale. that and more foot traffic around the club. we will also be moving away from the relience on poker machines.

also free's up the club to contribute more given that the bank has set a limit of 250k a year.

further more, if it is approved the land value goes up past what our debt currently is. which is huge..because currently the land is worth less than the debt as it stands.

what the developers get out of it is the majority percentage of the sale of residential property aswell as other associated moneys that come with a development of this size.

Yeah. Thats what he said. I didn't grasp it and thought along the lines you've explained.
 

Ausguy

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How much money will the Sharks make from this development, in total?

Open ended question Raiders... how long is a piece of string?

Its hard to say an exact figure but il give you some idea...

10% of apartment/unit sales...

lets say there are 500 units (700 planned) and they sell for 400K each (very conservative, avg)

500 x 400,000 = 200 Million /10% - 20Million direct to sharks - now this is over 5-7 years.

BTW its estimated to be closer to 30-35M.

Ontop of that... ongoing rental from the retail/commercial side of things... name aya price on some of those rents, for those that know anything about retail rental it spells $$.

Increased traffic to the leagues club is a definate but i cant put a $ figure on it... add to that sponsors will get on board with a club that has a future rather than one that doesnt... it all adds up
 
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How much money will the Sharks make from this development, in total?

how long is a piece of string.

i can explain the following

we are currently in debt of about 12 million.
we are expected to be running at a loss of last FY of 1 million. down from a 3.4 mill loss in 09/10. the external auditors havent released the figures however it must be soon as the AGM and election is up soon.

if the development is approved the land goes up in value to around 35 million or something. its current value is 8 or so. lower than the debt. a major concern to the bank.
if it gets approved there is instant relief there as we will be seen to have become stronger over night and in a much less precarious position.

the developers are also throwing in money as an up front payment. this is a loan. i believe the latest figures on that are 7 million of the debt. essentially freeing us up to be less of a shoe string operation.

from here...

The club forecasts 1-2 million a year in rental takings from the commercial side. we still own the land title. we havnt sold it, however have gone into business to develop it properly.

the residential side we will receive a percentage (figure floated was 10) of each residential unit sold. they are pushing for 700 units at about 350k upwards.

further more the foot traffic around the club, combined with the new australand development up the road has been forecasted to have the leagues club a more viable business (it actually hasnt been doing badly)
i also get the feeling part of the overall plan is to make a move away from total pokie reliance. although they..like all clubs would rather not.
 
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steal my thunder aus.

touch typing merkin.

and yeah....

in the footy club side of things the club is doing better in regards to membership dollars and cost cutting.
this offseason will be crucial. alot of the sponsors that joined at rick bottom in 09 are up for renewal and the club is looking to get more out of them and bring in more corporate support given the upturn in onfield fortunes.
sponsors would also be more inclined on getting on board if the development is approved given the potential contracts and what not.
 

Stagger Lee

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Bah! who let facts into this thread?

Go Bankrupt and f**k off you scum :lol:

- time for me to go to bed and dream of the shire's return to the Saints
 

eozsmiles

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how long is a piece of string

Twice the length from it's centre to an end?

Like most footy fans I'd rather see expansion than relocation or mergers but we have to be realistic. People have been talking about the Sharks maybe ending up on the Central Coast (I'm not Shark bashing, it's just the topic) but they want their own team up there. Manly/Norths tried it and failed miserably. Both clubs were nearly lost. Not sure if the Coast is the NRL's top plan anyway. I think they'd rather get another team in Brisbane and again the fans there won't want a relocation.
 
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The current board has expressed in no uncertain terms that the club will remain in the sutherland shire should it remain in the league.

The sharks however have been offered to go elsewhere by new bid consortiums. these were politely rejected. (souce..Irvines interview ABC grandstand prior to the match against South Syndey)

the carrot that the league dangled a few years ago no longer exists to my knowledge
 

BunniesMan

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Why not easts souths when rusty pulls the pin?

All the sharks want is a fair go... yes they have been helped in the past so have other clubs. But this time its being done by them, if they succeed the NRL has something very special to look forward to, the ground upgrades and overall finished product will be great. If they fail then as a sharks fan thats how it is.

We simply want to be left alone to have a go at fixing our future and the naysayers can f**k right off. They only jump on the "kill the sharks" bandwagon cos they know that if they get this development up and running then their team moves up the "to be folded" ladder.

Sure sharks are first.... but there are 3 or 4 right behind...

Who would ever know...?
Ignorant f**kwit. And you have the nerve to have a go at people who are ignorant about the Sharks and their development.

We've now got consecutive years of turning a profit, and that is without a leagues club or winning seasons.

When we start winning, the increased members and crowds that go with that will increase the buffer. When we finally get the leagues club running, the buffer increases again. Crowe and Hac are simply a safety net in the case of some unforeseen disaster striking. Our longterm future is just fine.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Ignorant f**kwit. And you have the nerve to have a go at people who are ignorant about the Sharks and their development.

We've now got consecutive years of turning a profit, and that is without a leagues club or winning seasons.

When we start winning, the increased members and crowds that go with that will increase the buffer. When we finally get the leagues club running, the buffer increases again. Crowe and Hac are simply a safety net in the case of some unforeseen disaster striking. Our longterm future is just fine.

So what you're saying is that more people will do a bunniesgayman and jump on the bandwagon. And what's a buffer Derek? Someone's been studying elementary business :lol:
 

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