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El Diablo

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NPK said:
Exactly, their laws make it easy for someone to get set up. Someone could put something in a poor victim's bag, and they can't explain how it got there.

The judges made a huge unfounded assumption that just because the drugs were in her bag, they were hers and she put them in there.

this would never happen here

http://www.themelbournecase.com/
 

Alex28

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a mate of mine with to the States last week with locked luggage, and when he got there the lock was smashed and he spent some time with customs while they searched his bag because they thought he had something to hide. many countries now you can't lock your luggage - so you have to fly and hope that your luggage isn't the one picked by baggage handlers as their delivery method today...
 

Pantherjim.

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mightybears said:
only in the short term
value for holiday buck/money [in the form of cheap flights n accomodation] talks to most

Won't be going back there in a hurry and my decision not to has nothing to do with The Sari Club bombing, Schapelle Corby or the Bali 9.

There are two many people in Bali wishing to sell you their wares and they won't take "No!" for an answer... actually they won't even take "F*ck off!" for an answer even after the 6th time they've asked you. They even try dragging you into their shop! Quite simply I didn't enjoy myself when I was in Bali, I got hassled by the locals trying to sell me stuff and I DON'T LIKE being hassled when I'm trying to relax and enjoy myself. Quite frankly, there are also far too many Vics over there and those bastards are mad! :lol:

Much prefer Phuket: People do take "No!" for an answer, same value for money in flights, meals and accomodation that you get in Bali and much less Victorians! ;-)

- Only kidding, my last G.F. was a Vic.

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borat said:
She is as guilty as sin and very lucky to only get 20 years. Her story is riddled with holes. What is the evidence she is innocent? Just because she doesn't look like a drug runner doesn't make her innocent.

Get over the looks and the tears people. It sells papers and is good for a sixty minutes special but the truth is she is guilty.

:rolleyes: It's posts like this that make me wonder if there is any compassion at all for our fellow man (sorry that is sexist -fellow human) in contemporary society these days. But I'll try and be as polite as I can in my reply by saying: Don't be stupid! Try putting yourself in her shoes Imbecile!

Strictly speaking I'm against capital punishment for all but the most heinous of crimes i.e. juvenile rape and murder, terrorist acts occassioning multiple fatalities. I don't even think the Bali 9 deserve death, albeit I have absolutely no sympathy for them whatsoever. Not to mention that I think that a nice long stint in an indonesian gaol should be just what the doctor ordered to let them all think about how stupid they've been.

Schapelle Corby's case is different. I'm inclined to think that she's innocent and is the victim of some gutless wonder's endeavours to export cannabis to another country care of someones luggage. Before you all say "This never happens!" and "What about the Federal Police saying that this never happens at our airports!" Look at the evidence: Baggage handlers have been laid off, investigated and one has even been charged by N.S.W. Police for being involved in a Cocaine smuggling ring.

I think that Schapelle has been hard done by, I find the whole trial to be very suspect. It makes me think that the judges had already decided her guilt months before the trial began. They have not looked at the defence's evidence, they have taken the word of a customs official as gospel and have failed to take into account holes in the prosecutions case i.e. absence of Schapelle's fingerprints on the bag of cannabis and absece of cannabis residue on Schapelle's clothes etc. After watching the trial and hearing the verdict I have absolutely no faith whatsoever in Indonesia's judicial system. The whole case and trial has been handled very poorly. Moreover I don't think the Australian authorities have also done Schapelle a great disservice. You have Mick Kelty's bungling of the airport baggage handling theory; The head of the Australian Federal Police saying that there is nothing to suggest that airport baggage handlers are dirty despite massive evidence to the contrary! You have shoddy letters from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the Indonesian Government stating that "we do have problems with some of our baggage handlers" not even making relevance to Scapelle's case and not even mentioning her name!

Did anyone watch the Mike Munroe report on Schapelle Corby? Did you see the Victorian couple that went to Bali 5 years ago who claimed that someone planted cannabis in one of their suitcases, only they managed to clear customs at Denpasar without it being detected. (Lucky! :eek: ) They got to their hotel in Kuta, opened their suitcases and found the stuff. Their next step was a call to the Australian Consulate in Bali, where a consulate official promptly told them to "flush the stuff down their toilet, or they would be looking at spending the rest of their lives eating nasi goreng!" Gee I cant wait for DFAT to help me out when I'm in a jam overseas! Even when I emailed customs before my recent trip to Phuket asking them for advice on what to do if I find my suitcase locks have been broken when I retrieve my luggage from the carousel in Bangkok airport, they couldn't answer my question! They merely drew my attention to the "hints and tips for Australian travellers" page on the DFAT website which proved absolutely useless for the question that I wanted answered.

Ultimately if Indonesia's motives for Convicting Schapelle unfairly was to make an example out of her in the cause of "This is what we do to stupid foriegners who think they can even bring soft drugs into our great country and get away with it" Then they are doing themselves a great disservice for their tourism and economy. I'm not advocating or even condoning boycotting tourism to Bali as I believe that it is only punishing the Balinese people for Indonesia's ultra-harsh laws/penalties and unfair judicial system. Sadly however, I believe this is what will happen.

Quite simply, now there is a precedent that will deter travel to any part of Indonesia; If there is risk that an Australian will get caught in a foreign country with drugs that doesn't even belong to them. Knowing that they then face an almost impossible struggle fighting an unfair judicial system with little or no help from the Australian Government and supposed incompetence on a grand scale from Australian Law Enforcement and Foreign Affairs departments in handling their case. Could you blame them for not wanting to visit the country in question? I certainly couldn't!

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NPK

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My girlfriend's dad told us today that he went overseas years ago, got into his hotel room, opened his luggage and found what looked like drugs. He called the Aussie embassy and they told him to flush it down the toilet quickly and act like it never happened.
He was lucky he didn't get pulled up at the airport or he could be in jail now.
 

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Some interesting thoughts there, but ultimately what it comes down to is this: when you make serious allegations, you have to be able to prove 'em. The corby camp made all sorts of serious allegations throughout this whole shindig, and couldn't prove any of 'em.
 

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Nobody denies the possibility that some baggage handlers may be involved in drug smuggling. But that doesn't mean nobody smuggles drugs for their own gain. Schapelle's sister lives over there with her husband and Schapelle and family/friends were going to visit. Why is it so unfathomable to consider that her sister and husband wanted a good stash of some decent pot because they weren't keen on Indonesia's flora? It's a perfectly reasonable explanation.

I and nobody else here knows *all* the facts. The people most qualified to rule on this case were the judges who found her guilty and sentenced her to 20 years. There's a lot of people here who seem desperate to find an explanation or reason to prove her innocent. Why can't anybody accept that she might just be guilty of smuggling drugs? Why does everybody make such a big deal because of one bloody person?

There was some poor bloke in the UK I heard about this week I think who had been in prison for 25 years and found to be innocent. Why aren't we kicking up a stink about that? He's lost more of his life than Schapelle is going to and we don't even know if she's innocent. But he's not Australian, young, attractive and female. So we don't really give a sh*t.

Just because the judges rejected some evidence, does not mean she is innocent. Just because she says she didn't do it, does not mean she is innocent. Just because an idiotic tabloid like the Daily Telegraph paints it as a disgraceful outcome to sell papers, does not mean she is innocent. Just because we gave the country financial aid earlier in the year because of a natural disaster, does not mean she is innocent. Just because you don't like the way a country's legal system works, does not mean she is innocent. Just because you think she'd be a good root, does not mean she is innocent!

LET IT GO!
 

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sunny said:
Some interesting thoughts there, but ultimately what it comes down to is this: when you make serious allegations, you have to be able to prove 'em. The corby camp made all sorts of serious allegations throughout this whole shindig, and couldn't prove any of 'em.

O.K. if it's proof we're talking about, have you any proof whatsoever that she's lying and the 4.1kgs of pot are in fact hers?

Have you:

1. Checked the bag of pot for finger prints to see if she had any contact with it?

2. Sent the clothes she was wearing at Denpasar airport to a forensics laboatory to detect cannabis residue?

3. Rang D.F.A.T. to check her travel history to see if she's been to Bali on multiple occassions? (even this is only circumstantial evidence)

4.Rang Queensland Police to see if Schapelle or any of the Corby family have connections to any drug-related crimes, or have any connections with any drug rings in Australia or Indonesia?

5. Checked out Corby friends, relations and associates for links to the aforementioned drug rings/criminal bosses in Australia and indonesia?

The Indonesian Police and prosecution have either failed to do all of the above or have done all of the above and have come up with sh*t all. The only proof they have is that 4.1kgs of pot, which anyone could have planted was found in her boogy board bag. A bag which she admitted was hers cheerfully without hesitation to a Balinese customs officer.

It also amazes me that the self-righteous hypocritical wankers on this forum are quite willing to say "she's a convicted drug smuggler" when they have as much of the aforementioned evidence as the Indonesian Police do.:lol:

Let's not kid ourselves, this is a fairly open and shut case. In fact it should have been "shut out of court" completely! Any Australian Magistrate/Judge worth his or her salt would have chucked it out of court without much ado based on the prosecutions flimsy evidence. Even if the Magistrate/Judge had decided that there was enough evidence to proceed to trial, you can't seriously expect me to believe that a jury would convict her based on the aforementioned evidence.

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Alex28

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dude...i don't even think she's all that hot. plus i dont read the telegraph, or watch ACA or TT. To think that people only think she is innocent because "you think she'd be a good root" is plain ignorant - f**king stupid at best.

like I said - what has happened here could happen to anyone going overseas. think about how you would feel being locked up for 20 years for something you didn't do...

yes it scares the sh*t out of me too...
 

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Azkatro said:
Just because the judges rejected some evidence, does not mean she is innocent. Just because she says she didn't do it, does not mean she is innocent. Just because an idiotic tabloid like the Daily Telegraph paints it as a disgraceful outcome to sell papers, does not mean she is innocent. Just because we gave the country financial aid earlier in the year because of a natural disaster, does not mean she is innocent. Just because you don't like the way a country's legal system works, does not mean she is innocent. Just because you think she'd be a good root, does not mean she is innocent!
LET IT GO!

With all due respect, you're talking a load of hysterical, sensationalised paranoid and superficial bullsh*t. I don't care if she's a "Good root" or not. I don't even find her attractive, she's definately not my type. She looks like a westie hairdresser that works in Rooty Hill!

If this was a fat, middle aged, one-legged lebanese/Australian bloke i'd be looking at the case in exactly the same way.

The vast majority of the Bali 9 are young, Caucasian and pleasant enough looking. Why doesn't any Australian feel sympathy for them? Why doesn't any Australian demand they be released? Because they were caught red-handed with the heroin strapped to their bodies! :shock:

I'm looking at the facts of the case. The fact is, all the Indonesian Police and prosecution have to go on is the fact that the Pot was found in her boogy board bag. A bag which she freely and happily admitted without hesitation was hers. They don't have finger prints, they don't have forensics, they don't have proof of connections, they don't have a criminal record, they don't have a multiple Denpasar entry travel history. In short - Sh*t all evidence that would have been kicked out of any reasonable court.

How do you know that this is not just another young Australian who was in Bali on Holiday to spend time with her Sister, and some pr*ck at Kingsford Smith decided to slip 4.1kgs of Pot in her luggage for his contacts to pick up at Denpasar? You don't do you???:-k

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NPK

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Cellmates 'giving Corby hell'

By John Hamilton in Bali
May 29, 2005
From: Sunday Herald Sun




SCHAPELLE Corby is suffering cruel abuse and racial taunts in jail as Indonesian authorities move to keep her in prison for life. The Indonesian Government yesterday backed the prosecution bid to toughen Corby's 20-year jail sentence for smuggling 4.1 kilograms of marijuana into Bali's airport last October. "The 20 years in jail handed down by the Denpasar District Court is too light," Indonesian Attorney-General Abdul Rahman Sale told the Bali Post newspaper.

"She deserves to be sentenced to life."

As the reality of the marathon jail term sank in, Corby, 27, issued a heartfelt thank you to the nation.

"Thank you Australia. Thank you for standing by me," she said through her lawyers.

"Thank you for being there with me."

In other developments:

IT emerged long-term inmates of the dirty and overcrowded prison where she is being held have life expectancies of only 10 years.

THE trial judge defended his verdict as just.

HER family fears she may take her life if she is left to rot in prison.

MEMBERS of the Bali 9 were left dispirited after hearing for the first time that Corby had been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

THE Federal Government is offering to pay for the services of two top QCs with expertise in appeals in Indonesian law.

Corby's Indonesian lawyer, Vasu Rasiah, said she was struggling inside the notorious Kerobokan prison.

"Schapelle is very emotional - sometimes she is smiling, sometimes she is crying," he said.

"She's undergoing deep shock."

"Five or 10 years maybe you can understand, but 20 years - she just can't comprehend the time frame."

Ms Corby's cousin, who gave her name only as Nina, described the Australian's jail cell as a "disgusting, dirty and overcrowded place".

"She says the Indonesians inside are giving her hell because she wears western clothes and she can't speak Indonesian," she said.

The jail, near the Balinese capital Denpasar, was built for 366 prisoners, but holds 525. Among them are the Bali bombers.

The "Smiling Assassin" Amrozi - so-called because he laughed when punished for his role in killing 88 Australians - has yelled abuse at Corby as she tried to exercise.

Kerobokan prison doctor Anak Agung Gede Hartawan said common diseases included respiratory ailments and skin conditions, while many prisoners complained of headaches.

AIDS/HIV was rife, because corrupt officials turned a blind eye to drug abuse - indeed they are implicated in supplying them.

Dr Hartawan said 11 prisoners were confirmed carriers of HIV/AIDS, but dozens more were thought to have the virus.

Corby shares her 5m-wide cell with sevenother women.

She will be forced to wash with a small bucket of untreated water and a ladle.

The squat toilet is near the food preparation area and the risk of contracting gastric disease is high.

For up to 20 hours a day she will be confined to her cell, where she will sleep on a mat on a tiled floor under a fluorescent light that is never switched off.

Chief judge Linton Sirait defended the guilty verdict, dismissing public angst the decision has caused.

"I am responsible for my verdict to the God, not to the people."

Corby's mother Rosleigh had screamed after the verdict that the judges would lose sleep over their decision, but yesterday Judge Sirait said he had slept "very well last night".

He said had not let Corby's emotion influence the decision.

"A judge is not allowed to bring his emotion to the case, so the judge decides in accordance to the law," he said.

Corby's family last night issued a statement appealing to Australians to continue visiting Bali.

"Do not boycott Bali. We don't want the Balinese people to hurt any more," it said.

"We just want the Australian people to boycott Qantas flights and direct your anger at Jakarta.

"Thank you to all the Australian people for their support. We are not finished yet."

Corby's brother Michael feared his sister might try to take her own life.

"She'd be thinking of killing herself," he said.

"She's been strong up until now, believing justice will prevail. But now . . . she's not going to cope."

Corby's Australian lawyer said it was likely they would accept the Australian Government's offer of legal assistance.

Solicitor Robin Tampoe said any assistance from Perth QCs Tom Percy and Mark Trowell, experts in appeals and Indonesian law, would be welcome.

The Australian Government had urged the Corby defence team to accept the pro bono offer.

Mr Percy yesterday warned that Corby risked having her jail term extended to life if the defence team appealed.

But criminologist Professor Paul Wilson, who testified in favour of Corby during the trial, said a win was not out of the question.

"It will be extremely difficult, but not impossible," he said.


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15443049-2,00.html


:shock::cry::evil:
 

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NPK said:
So Millers, how could Schapelle's defense team possibly prove her innocence?

all the work lay with them from the begginning

perhaps if they put more effort into their investigations instead of bagging indonesias justice system and doing press soundbites they would have done better

It is so easy to frame someone and put drugs in someone's bag,
easy but rather pointless and rather expensive

and if they can't prove they didn't put it there they get 20 years jail. Ridiculous.
It's like a perfect crime (except for the real druggie losing his/her stash), with the victim paying dearly for it.

you seem convinced of her innocence
others are not





I haven't heard of anything from the trial that proves Schapelle did it, have you?

in sheer legal technicalities yes

some logic

her sister owns a surf hire shop in bali
schappele decided to lug a boogey board with her

why? why not use her sisters stuff?

drugs are commonly sold in bali through such establishments

why did she lie to customs about the frequency of her visits to bali?

and the real biggie

http://www.theage.com.au/

go to multimedia
3rd menu down

see the farging size of the bag
 

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Alex28 said:
Millers - you are being very selective in what you are quoting - such as laws that dont relate to the case for instance.

and you are trying to be deceptive

you claimed it wouldnt happen here i merely posted the laws that prove it would

I'll ask you - if you were in her shoes, how would you be feeling about spending 20 years in jail for something you didn't do? Would you be feeling so cavalier about the situation? It's easy to be so opinionated from behind a computer screen, but what we are talking here is real life - someones life that could very well be locked up for 20 years for something she didn't do.

My guess you'd be sh*tting bricks...


what a pile of hysterical bollocks

i wouldnt want to be in ivan milats shoes either doesnt make him innocent


Why don't you show me evidence that she did do it?

yes

she was caught with a pile of drugs in her possesion

from the age.com (registration required)

Customs official Gusti Nyoman Winata said he asked Corby to open the bag, but she unzipped only a front pocket. "When I opened it a bit, she said: 'No'," Mr Winata said. "I asked: 'Why?', and she said: 'I have some,' and looked confused." Mr Winata added that she blocked his hand to stop him opening the main zip.
A second customs official said Corby admitted owning the drugs.

Corby failed to notice the bag's extra weight. Her excuse was that the bag's handle had been broken on the way to Bali, meaning she had to drag it.

A drug dealer employing baggage handlers would be highly unlikely to smuggle four kilograms of marijuana into Brisbane airport and then into a stranger's bag, just to send it on to Sydney. Such a task would further require another handler at Sydney to sneak it out of the bag and hide it while attempting to get it out of the airport. As road haulage experts have confirmed, smug-glers could avoid this by sending it by road.


no you show me evidence she didnt
 

millersnose

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Pantherjim said:
O.K. if it's proof we're talking about, have you any proof whatsoever that she's lying and the 4.1kgs of pot are in fact hers?

how many times do you guys need to be told to understand that in all legal systems if you are caught in possesion then it is up to you to provide proof that someone else planted the drugs on you


Have you:

1. Checked the bag of pot for finger prints to see if she had any contact with it?

would not make any difference

i suspect why the defence didnt themselves have forensics done on the bag is that they didnt want to find any evidence there


2. Sent the clothes she was wearing at Denpasar airport to a forensics laboatory to detect cannabis residue?

again that would be inconclusive and the defence didnt do this maybe they didnt want to find out the results


3. Rang D.F.A.T. to check her travel history to see if she's been to Bali on multiple occassions? (even this is only circumstantial evidence)

my understanding is they did

4.Rang Queensland Police to see if Schapelle or any of the Corby family have connections to any drug-related crimes, or have any connections with any drug rings in Australia or Indonesia?


members of her family have indeed got drug related convictions

although this in itself pproves nothing either

5. Checked out Corby friends, relations and associates for links to the aforementioned drug rings/criminal bosses in Australia and indonesia?

see above

and in any case their are literally thousands of hydro setups in australia not run by the media furphy "mr big" or the important sounding "drug barons"

The Indonesian Police and prosecution have either failed to do all of the above or have done all of the above and have come up with sh*t all.

it is up to the defence to provide a defence argument not the indonesian police


The only proof they have is that 4.1kgs of pot, which anyone could have planted was found in her boogy board bag.

which is pretty big in the context of "proof"

also admitting to one customs officer that the dope was hers

A bag which she admitted was hers cheerfully without hesitation to a Balinese customs officer.

not ccording to indonesian customs who claim she was obstructive about opening the bag


It also amazes me that the self-righteous hypocritical wankers on this forum are quite willing to say "she's a convicted drug smuggler" when they have as much of the aforementioned evidence as the Indonesian Police do

no we get our info from the telegraph and channel 9's "our schappele" stories

Let's not kid ourselves, this is a fairly open and shut case.

absolutely

In fact it should have been "shut out of court" completely! Any Australian Magistrate/Judge worth his or her salt would have chucked it out of court without much ado based on the prosecutions flimsy evidence.

rubbish

she would have a case to answer here also

and i am not aware of drug smuggling cases chucked out of court because the defendant claims "its not mine"
Even if the Magistrate/Judge had decided that there was enough evidence to proceed to trial, you can't seriously expect me to believe that a jury would convict her based on the aforementioned evidence.


there are many people who will go to their graves convinced of this womans innocent and of her guilt
 

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NPK said:
Corby's mother Rosleigh had screamed after the verdict that the judges would lose sleep over their decision, but yesterday Judge Sirait said he had slept "very well last night".

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

NPK

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millersnose said:
also admitting to one customs officer that the dope was hers

There was apparently a language miscommunication - she said the boogieboard bag was hers.
 

Alex28

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so all the Indonesians have is the word of two people who had difficulty in understanding English that she admitted it was hers (when she has maintained from the start that it wasn't) and that she tried to stop them from opening the bag. it wasn't videotaped, there is a record of corruption in the Indo police and customs, and a record of racism against Australians.

Doesn't seem all that watertight to me.

The comparisons to Ivan Milat are rediculous - there is overwhelming evidence he is guilty. There is next to no evidence she knowingly imported into Indo. This line of attack gives you no credibility at all.
 

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Three blokes are in a boat surrounded by crocodiles. The boat breaks down. People on the shore yell out, 'Don't jump overboard, the crocs will get you.' But the first bloke ignores them. He swims bravely towards the shore and gets eaten halfway. The second bloke has the same fate.

The third bloke disappears from sight in the bottom of the boat and re-emerges in the nude with something written on his bum. He dives overboard and makes it safely to the shore. 'What did you do?'

'I wrote, "Schapelle Corby is guilty" on my bum.....and the crocs wouldn't swallow that.'
 

millersnose

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Alex28 said:
so all the Indonesians have is the word of two people who had difficulty in understanding English that she admitted it was hers


that and a big pile of drugs in her possesion

(when she has maintained from the start that it wasn't)

not according to the witnesses

and that she tried to stop them from opening the bag.

yep

it wasn't videotaped,

so what

does all testimony have to be verified by videotape??

there is a record of corruption in the Indo police and customs,

what are you saying??

darth vader bribed the customs officials to make "our" schappelle look bad?

and a record of racism against Australians.

where?

Doesn't seem all that watertight to me.

you are a schappele groupie not the judge

The comparisons to Ivan Milat are rediculous - there is overwhelming evidence he is guilty. There is next to no evidence she knowingly imported into Indo. This line of attack gives you no credibility at all.

hang on a minute

i used that as a rebuttal to your "if it was you" argument

which was the silliest so far in this thread
 
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