She's gooooorne...

[El Diablo]

Indon embassy shut over package



June 01, 2005
From: AAP


THE Indonesian embassy in Canberra had been shut down after it received a suspicious package this morning, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer told Parliament.

An Indonesian embassy source told AAP all staff were fine but were not allowed to leave the building.

The embassy building had been surrounded by fire brigade trucks and emergency service personnel, Mr Downer said.

"The embassy has been closed. It's surrounded by fire engines and other emergency service equipment," he said.

Mr Downer said the incident was of great concern and was very unhelpful to the case of convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby and government efforts to negotiate a prisoner exchange agreement.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15475273-29277,00.html

 

[Willow]

Would that be classed as a terrorist threat?

 

[El Diablo]

I was watching question time and I thought Downer said it was a biological agent.

If that's true it's closer to a terrorist act.

 

[Willow]

I only ask because I recall last week when the US Embassy in Jakarta was closed, it was referred to as a 'terror threat'.
And they didnt even get sent a package.

 

[NPK]

Would that be classed as a terrorist threat?

I'd say so. Not a very clever thing to do.

 

[sunny]

geez some people are dills.

 

[Willow]

And hypocrites. No doubt they think they've struck a blow for Schapelle.

 

[Moffo]

most likely some left wing canberra public servant loving wanker

 

[Pantherjim.]

The hide of some people. You think the Indonesians would at least have the common courtesy to abandon their own language and take up english for our beneifit. Would certainly make drug smuggling alot easier.

Another wanker!

I admit I was wrong in calling it Hearsay evidence, However,

The point I was trying to make, (if you'd cared to read my post properly!) is that how can you assess the Balinese Customs officers testimony as reliable evidence when Customs officer (A). Speaks only Indonesian and Woman that he challenges (B). Only speaks English?? Surely there is bound to be some confusion due to the Language barrier! Yet The Judges decided to take his word as gospel, without even questioning the defence or even investigating a possible confusion secondary to a language barrier?? Any other court would go over this scenario with a fine-tooth comb and scrutinised it to the max as in the absence of finger prints and cannabis residue on her clothes it is absolutely pivotal in determining her guilt or innocence!

Pantherjim.

 

[borat]

Another wanker!

I admit I was wrong in calling it Hearsay evidence, However,

The point I was trying to make, (if you'd cared to read my post properly!) is that how can you assess the Balinese Customs officers testimony as reliable evidence when Customs officer (A). Speaks only Indonesian and Woman that he challenges (B). Only speaks English?? Surely there is bound to be some confusion due to the Language barrier! Yet The Judges decided to take his word as gospel, without even questioning the defence or even investigating a possible confusion secondary to a language barrier?? Any other court would go over this scenario with a fine-tooth comb and scrutinised it to the max as in the absence of finger prints and cannabis residue on her clothes it is absolutely pivotal in determining her guilt or innocence!

Pantherjim.

You were saying that the Customs official only spoke Indonesian. How many times do I need to prove you wrong? Its interesting how you assume that Indonesians can't speak any english.

If you would like to hear the customs official speak english for yourself try here

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2004_11_14/story_1277.asp


Or here is the transcript.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2004_11_14/story_1280.asp

Quote:

GUSTO WINATA (TRANSLATION): I'm sure, because when we opened the second zipper, she was already trying to stop the opening of it. (IN ENGLISH) "Oh, no, I have something inside."

 

[carcharias]

If you would like to hear the customs official speak english for yourself try here

Um I don't think so.....

If it was English why was he being dubbed by another English voice?

a) He wasn't speaking English at all or

b) his English is that bad he needs to dubbed by an interpreter.

However she did say she spoke with him, maybe that's where the communication breakdown happened.
His English is probably very poor.

 

[borat]

Um I don't think so.....

If it was English why was he being dubbed by another English voice?

a) He wasn't speaking English at all or

b) his English is that bad he needs to dubbed by an interpreter.

However she did say she spoke with him, maybe that's where the communication breakdown happened.
His English is probably very poor.

So Sixty Minutes got the transcript of their own interview wrong carcharias?

So his english is poor translates to doesn't speak or understand a word of it? Face the facts, whether he is fluent in english or not, he knew enough to speak and understand "oh no, I have something inside".

Show me the slightest piece of evidnce/proof/tabloid journalism that shows that this customs officer doesn't speak a word of English. When was it ever argued in court there was a languge barrier or mistake?

The myths that come out of this trial based on what can only be ignorance is unbeleivable.


http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2005_05_15/story_1385.asp
SCHAPELLE CORBY: To open it? He didn't even ask me to open it. He said to my brother, "Is that your bag? Is that your Boogie board?" I've gone, "No, yeah", I'm so happy, "No, it's mine. Whoa, here you go." I just knew that all I put in there was my Boogie board and my flippers.


Its funny how Schapelle had no trouble understanding him here. Maybe Schapelle speaks fluent Indonesian?

They're Inodnesian so they must be barabarians, all corupt, all are terorists out to bring down the western world, gulity until proven innocent, all don't speak a world of English.

 

[carcharias]

So Sixty Minutes got the transcript of their own interview wrong carcharias?

So his english is poor translates to doesn't speak or understand a word of it? Face the facts, whether he is fluent in english or not, he knew enough to speak and understand "oh no, I have something inside".

Show me the slightest piece of evidnce/proof/tabloid journalism that shows that this customs officer doesn't speak a word of English. When was it ever argued in court there was a languge barrier or mistake?

The myths that come out of this trail based on what can only be ignorance is unbeleivable.


http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/.../story_1385.asp
SCHAPELLE CORBY: To open it? He didn't even ask me to open it. He said to my brother, "Is that your bag? Is that your Boogie board?" I've gone, "No, yeah", I'm so happy, "No, it's mine. Whoa, here you go." I just knew that all I put in there was my Boogie board and my flippers.


Its funny how Schapelle had no trouble understanding him here. Maybe Schapelle speaks fluent Indonesian?

They're Inodnesian so they must be barabarians, all corupt, all are terorists out to bring down the western world, gulity until proven innocent, all don't speak a world of English.

Calm down, I followed your link and watched the little video .

You said

If you would like to hear the customs official speak english for yourself try here

Well guess what, I couldn't hear him speak English because it is dubbed.
Why????
Maybe you should watch it for yourself and then admit to the fact that you cannot hear him speak English.

You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out.

Maybe , just maybe she misunderstood his English.

I am lead to beleive in court he said she admitted she owned the drugs at the time of arrest.
She says she admitted only to owning the Boodie Board bag.

If his English is so damn good why did they Dub him with what sounds like an Indian or pakistani accent?

You better re-read my post I only suggested his English wasn't fluent...all the rest of that stuff you wrote has nothing what so ever to do with what I said.

Show me the slightest piece of evidnce/proof/tabloid journalism that shows that this customs officer doesn't speak a word of English. When was it ever argued in court there was a languge barrier or mistake

?
OK I'll just use your link too easy.
I ask anyone else to do the same and then tell me I'm wrong.
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2004_11_14/story_1277.asp

 

[Rexxy]

:? :?

 

[borat]

Calm down, I followed your link and watched the little video .

You said

Well guess what, I couldn't hear him speak English because it is dubbed.
Why????
Maybe you should watch it for yourself and then admit to the fact that you cannot hear him speak English.

You don't have to be Einstein to figure it out.

Maybe , just maybe she misunderstood his English.

I am lead to beleive in court he said she admitted she owned the drugs at the time of arrest.
She says she admitted only to owning the Boodie Board bag.

If his English is so damn good why did they Dub him with what sounds like an Indian or pakistani accent?

You better re-read my post I only suggested his English wasn't fluent...all the rest of that stuff you wrote has nothing what so ever to do with what I said.


?
OK I'll just use your link too easy.
I ask anyone else to do the same and then tell me I'm wrong.
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2004_11_14/story_1277.asp

Carachias,

I don't know if I should give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know if you are on dial up or broacdband like myself. So I will refrain from my first instinct which which was to absolutly give it to you over this.

Listen again very slowly. Like the transcript says, his interview is being TRANSLATED until 4mins 50secs where he says in simple, plain to hear, straight out of his mouth "oh no, I have something here". All in English, easy to hear. If you can't hear it you either have a problem with you sound card/ internet connection.

This is also as per all as per the transcript. Don't accuse me again of not listening to it because I can tell you with no bias that it is easy to hear. You are wrong on this and I would think you would at least have the balls to admit you are wrong.

Secondly, even her defence gave up on this point and agreed she had said "There is something"

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1378100.htm

Corby verdict nears

Reporter: Tim Palmer


TIM PALMER: Corby's lawyers have always disputed his ability to recount the defendant's words in English, but puzzlingly, at the end of the trial, they offered that Corby had actually said, "There is something." From what the judges have said in court, it will be their assessment of those differing accounts rather than any of the evidence suggesting that drugs were planted by Australian baggage handlers that will decide this case, even though the defence enlisted the Australian Government to help put their theory to court. Victorian prisoner John Ford was flown to Bali, but his evidence was based on prison hearsay and the judges were annoyed when he said he knew who put the drugs in the bag, but wouldn’t name him. Likewise, a Qantas baggage handler failed to directly support the central defence proposition that his colleagues ran a domestic drug-trafficking racket. The defence had more success raising questions over the handling of the evidence – in particular, the failure to fingerprint it – but prosecutors insisted that wasn’t crucial. Likewise, the chief judge has said he wasn’t moved by any of the tearful scenes in court.

 

[shadow grinder]

didnt the customs officer also say that she admited the drugs were hers while they were in the interigation room?

 

[carcharias]

Carachias,

I don't know if I should give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know if you are on dial up or broacdband like myself. So I will refrain from my first instinct which which was to absolutly give it to you over this.

Listen again very slowly. Like the transcript says, his interview is being TRANSLATED until 4mins 50secs where he says in simple, plain to hear, straight out of his mouth "oh no, I have something here". All in English, easy to hear. If you can't hear it you either have a problem with you sound card/ internet connection.

This is also as per all as per the transcript. Don't accuse me again of not listening to it because I can tell you with no bias that it is easy to hear. You are wrong on this and I would think you would at least have the balls to admit you are wrong.

Secondly, even her defence gave up on this point and agreed she had said "There is something"

1 second of English.
hahahahahahahaha

You are clutching at straws mate.

You should have written if you would like hear a bloke speak a split second of English watch this.

Once again... I'll quote you "Listen again very slowly", I never said he didn't speak English. Did I ?
I only gave an opinion of what may have transpired .
You took it as some sort of personal dig at your post.

Here is my first post about this bloke.

Um I don't think so.....

If it was English why was he being dubbed by another English voice?

a) He wasn't speaking English at all or

b) his English is that bad he needs to dubbed by an interpreter.

However she did say she spoke with him, maybe that's where the communication breakdown happened.
His English is probably very poor.
__________________

See that? I did say she spoke with him....obviously in English.

 

[borat]

I never said he didn't speak English. Did I ?

Well guess what, I couldn't hear him speak English because it is dubbed.
Why????
Maybe you should watch it for yourself and then admit to the fact that you cannot hear him speak English.

You do more backflips than an olympic gymnist and what credibility you had just jumped out the window. And I even gave you the opportunity to admit you were wrong.

He says "oh no, I have something" in plain English. And that my friend is the money shot. Although her defence tried to shoot this down, they gave up, they conceded she did say this. So you can argue the toss all you like.

Have you opened your mind to the possibilility, that maybe, just maybe, he wanted to do the interview in his native tongue. Just a thought.

 

[carcharias]

Have you opened your mind to the possibilility, that maybe, just maybe, he wanted to do the interview in his native tongue. Just a thought.

I originally wrote.

a) He wasn't speaking English at all or

does that answer your question?


so how is that a backflip.

I was the first to suggest it , apparently my mind was open before yours.
just a thought.

For the last time I never said he doesn't speak English.

I said I cannot hear him speak English .

Well guess what, I couldn't hear him speak English because it is dubbed

I will admit on account of being at work and not wanting to be caught watching video's whilst Im here .
I didn't hear the split second mumble right at the end of his little bit, the sound wasn't up loud enough.
It is noticably quieter than the rest of it.
However , I did notice him say something and yes that part was English.
The fact that almost the whole of what he had to say was dubbed is confusing when it was touted as an interview in English by your good self..

This still doesn't infer that I said he can't or doesn't speak English .

 

[borat]

The fact that almost the whole of what he had to say was dubbed is confusing when it was touted as an interview in English by your good self..

Care to quote where I said this? You are looking more and more like a fool by the minute. I unlike you, listened to the interview in its entirity, I had even heard this on sixty minutes beforehand.
I, unlike you, knew that he was talking in Indonesian which was then being translated into English. However the crucial part, the part where he quotes Schapelle Corby is in plain simple english for everyone to hear.


This is what is being questioned by Pantherjim which I responded to.

The point I was trying to make, (if you'd cared to read my post properly!) is that how can you assess the Balinese Customs officers testimony as reliable evidence when Customs officer (A). Speaks only Indonesian and Woman that he challenges (B). Only speaks English?? Surely there is bound to be some confusion due to the Language barrier!

I posted the link to the interview and copied the transcript. You didn't even have to watch the video.
How you failed to see the (TRANSLATION) and (IN ENGLISH) captions is beyond me.

Or here is the transcript.


http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/.../story_1280.asp

Quote:

GUSTO WINATA (TRANSLATION): I'm sure, because when we opened the second zipper, she was already trying to stop the opening of it. (IN ENGLISH) "Oh, no, I have something inside."

But you then chose to go off on a tangent

Calm down, I followed your link and watched the little video

and then had the audacity to accuse me of not watching it

Well guess what, I couldn't hear him speak English because it is dubbed.
Why????
Maybe you should watch it for yourself and then admit to the fact that you cannot hear him speak English.

but the truth is of of course

I will admit on account of being at work and not wanting to be caught watching video's whilst Im here .
I didn't hear the split second mumble right at the end of his little bit, the sound wasn't up loud enough

Oh, and the truth about whether or not he does speak English.

Originally Posted by chacharias
I never said he didn't speak English. Did I ?

Oh yes you did.

How many backflips do you think you made. Keep trying to dig yourself out that hole.

And at the end of the day he does speak English, its proven in the Interview and the defense team concede in the trial, that She did infact say "I have something". So what is your point, or do you have none?

And of course this is one of my favourites

Um I don't think so.....

If it was English why was he being dubbed by another English voice?

a) He wasn't speaking English at all or

b) his English is that bad he needs to dubbed by an interpreter.

However she did say she spoke with him, maybe that's where the communication breakdown happened.
His English is probably very poor.

So, as you now realise he was talikng in Indonesian through an Interpreter, what evidence do you have, whatsoever that his English is "probably" poor. Don't beat around the bush. Spit it out.

He spoke in Indonesian through the whole interview and the only English he spoke was clear, concise, fluent.

I'll save you the time, there is no proof. Corby's defense team tried to argue this and ended up conceding she did say what he testified.