She's gooooorne...

[bazza]

Another rumour I heard the other week
At a party on the Gold Coast a friend of a friend of a friend was asking about getting some pot and someone said "Don't worry, Schapelle will be here later"

I don't know if Schapelle is a common name up on the Gold Coast or not

 

[JoeD]

the law in Indonesia is that if you have it in your bag it is yours.

This is the kind of language that confuses people. It is implied in the above sentence that in Indo is somehow different to the law in other places. The law virtually everywhere is that if its in your bag it is yours.

 

[borat]

Why? the law in Indonesia is that if you have it in your bag it is yours.
You have to then supply the name of the person who put it in there if it isn't yours.

Nothing to do with the AFP.

You are missing the point carcharias. The Bali 9 were caught in a joint operation between the Indonesian police and the AFP. The AFP had been investigating them for some time and tipped off the Bali Authorities of what was happening and who they were. This is how they were caught, joint cooperation.

If there was any link surfaced whatsoever between the ongoing investigation into the baggage handlers and Corby, in the political climate where the government and the AFP are being hammered over this issue, it would have been passed on immediately. Unless you think its an international conspiracy. The truth is there is no link.

 

[Jae]

1: lives in QLD married to a Balinese bloke

Wasn't Schapelle in Bali to see her sister, who lives there?

At a party on the Gold Coast a friend of a friend of a friend was asking about getting some pot and someone said "Don't worry, Schapelle will be here later"

Lol as much as I'd want to believe that it sounds fairly rubbish.

 

[Pantherjim.]

I understand that you are a fervent man Brother Jim but you should spare the melodrama and abusive language from your rants. Stick to defending your matryr from Maroochydore.

Pffffff, Please, You're having a go at me for being melodromatic??? Abusive yes, I'll admit to that. But I tend to get abusive when some f*ckwit accuses me of drug smuggling and pot smoking just because I believe Schapelle is innocent.

Remember... HE WAS MAKING ACCUSATIONS AT ME. I had every right to
retaliate!

In any case, she's hardly my "matryr from Maroochydore" as you put it.. I'm merely calling things as I see them.

Pantherjim.

 

[Pantherjim.]

According to the prosecution, she was very reluctant and nervous to open the large zipper of her boogie board, she admitted to the customs officer that the weed was hers... I mean they could've just said that and not needed to say another word for the whole trial and still won. It was more solid than anything her defense came up with in the entire case.

Yep, and guess what? All of that was hearsay evidence based on the single testimony of a Balinese customs officer that didn't speak a word of English... Not a word. Reliable evidence you say? :lol:

her defence team came up with quite a bit of evidence and they wouldn't admit or didn't examine ANY of the evidence of the defence!

Pantherjim.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

That article raises some good points Willow, thanks for posting it.

One thing I found ironic though arere the following 2 quotes from it

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Against

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[font=Arial, Helvetica] One can only conclude from here that both the judges and the prosecutors have been influenced by what was happening outside the court. [/font]

Seems the Australian public were right to question it's ability to dispense justice?

Anyway, I think the above article proves she's terribly unlucky. Even if she is guilty, she is in an unenviable situation now. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Hopefully there'll be justice served. And yes, I don't think 20 years in jail for smuggling pot is just, no matter WHAT the law prescribes.

 

[borat]

Yep, and guess what? All of that was hearsay evidence based on the single testimony of a Balinese customs officer that didn't speak a word of English... Not a word. Reliable evidence you say? :lol:

her defence team came up with quite a bit of evidence and they wouldn't admit or didn't examine ANY of the evidence of the defence!

Pantherjim.

WRONG

How on earth is that hearsay? He testified this is what happened and was corroborated by another customs official. Do you even know what hearsay is?

What eveidnce was dismissed?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/03/04/1109700677359.html

Winata was the first witness called by the prosecution when Corby's trial opened last month in the Denpasar District Court, the equivalent of an Australian Supreme Court. Winata testified that when he told Corby to open the bag, she instead opened a front pocket, saying "Nothing in there." He again ordered her to open the main flap. "The suspect [appeared] to panic. When I opened the bag a little, she stopped me and said, 'No.' I asked why. She answered, 'I have some ...' She looked confused."

Winata said he opened the bag and saw the flippers, the plastic bags with the marijuana and the boogie board. "I asked the suspect what was in the plastic bags. She said it was marijuana. I asked her, 'How do you know?' She said, 'I smelled it when you opened the bag."' A second customs officer supported his testimony.

 

[carcharias]

You are missing the point carcharias. The Bali 9 were caught in a joint operation between the Indonesian police and the AFP. The AFP had been investigating them for some time and tipped off the Bali Authorities of what was happening and who they were. This is how they were caught, joint cooperation.

If there was any link surfaced whatsoever between the ongoing investigation into the baggage handlers and Corby, in the political climate where the government and the AFP are being hammered over this issue, it would have been passed on immediately. Unless you think its an international conspiracy. The truth is there is no link

I accidentally pressed post before i'd finished. So I had to edit.

First, her and the Bali 9 are not connected in any way shape or form in terms of their relating situations.
What your saying is correct for the Bali 9 who where caught trying to import heroin into Australia.
Thats why the AFP were involved , to show the public
the government is doing something about our own
heroin problem here, and to obviously stop it
reaching our shores and killing our children
They where caught in Bali from a tip off from the aussie's.
Once again why you think this has anything to do
with Corby is beyond me.
No I am not missing any point because under Indonesian law what ever happened in Australia prior to her landing at
Denpassar has no bearing on the case.
She was caught there bringing it into Bali.

All the witnesses and evidence from Australia that was shown to the Judges was disregarded.
e.g the baggage handling evidence and the Prisoner etc.
They don't care.
It was all thrown out of court because
under their legal system it is irrelevant.

Remember the Bali 9 had no drugs in Australia what so ever.
The AFP tipped off the indo authorities months before it even got anywhere near us.


I don't know for sure if she is guilty and neither do you .
Maybe only she know's.

I do know if she was tried here in Australia she would have walked. 100% as you say.

now

Wasn't Schapelle in Bali to see her sister, who lives there?

For fux sake her sister lives in QLD .

Is any one actually following this case?

 

[Willow]

Seems the Australian public were right to question it's ability to dispense justice?

No, the article is the opinion of the chief editor of the Jakarta Post. He seems to be of the opinion that the Indonesian court gave the Corby case a special look because thats what the Australian media was doing. Right or wrong we don't know. In either case, he refers to the media and public frenzy in Australia as be almost 'self-filling'.

Anyway, I think the above article proves she's terribly unlucky. Even if she is guilty, she is in an unenviable situation now. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Hopefully there'll be justice served. And yes, I don't think 20 years in jail for smuggling pot is just, no matter WHAT the law prescribes.

I don't think it proves anything much except it compares another case to indicate the severity of Corby's sentence.

For what its worth, my opinion: I doubt there is a person on this forum who knows for sure if Corby is guilty or innocent. She was found guilty by the Indonesian court, and they are the judges.

Now she can appeal.

The question is: will the Australian media back off with its sensationalist reporting and allow the Indonesian legal process take its course? I doubt it very much.
But the article suggests it's the best chance Corby has.

 

[mightybears]

i think her 'team' have done her a disservice, not a lot of point of running a media campaign/fuelling the ray martins of this world to drum up sympathy in australia that runs down a system/country and culture different to ours
[ a system that allowed garbage hear say evidence that wouldn't get near an aussie court]

and off topic, i think its a disgrace if people are actually ringing up charities asking for their tsunami money back/surely this is an exageration

 

[Balmain_Boy]

No, the article is the opinion of the chief editor of the Jakarta Post. He seems to be of the opinion that the Indonesian court gave the Corby case a special look because thats what the Australian media was doing. Right or wrong we don't know. In either case, he refers to the media and public frenzy in Australia as be almost 'self-filling'.

You miss my point. It's ironic because he says the Australian public were wrong to prejudge the Indonesian courts as unjust (in a nutshell). He proceeds to say that our reaction has influenced the courts (in his opinion), which seems to suggest our preconceived notions were correct. So were we wrong to have them or not? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction to me, that's all.

I don't think it proves anything much except it compares another case to indicate the severity of Corby's sentence.

If the chief editor of a Jakarta newspaper thinks she was harshly dealt with, i'll take his word on it. I doubt he is making a comparison based solely on the cases he mentioned. More likely, they best prove his point. If she has been harshly dealth with, I think she is terribly unlucky. Each to his own though.

For what its worth, my opinion: I doubt there is a person on this forum who knows for sure if Corby is guilty or innocent. She was found guilty by the Indonesian court, and they are the judges.

Now she can appeal.

The question is: will the Australian media back off with its sensationalist reporting and allow the Indonesian legal process take its course? I doubt it very much.
But the article suggests it's the best chance Corby has.

No arguments from me. The judges have acted very poorly if they have let themselves be influenced by Australian sentiment. It's irrelevant to judicial decision making, as Lindon Sirait has himself stated many times. Human nature I suppose.

 

[borat]

I accidentally pressed post before i'd finished. So I had to edit.

First, her and the Bali 9 are not connected in any way shape or form in terms of their relating situations.
What your saying is correct for the Bali 9 who where caught trying to import heroin into Australia.
Thats why the AFP were involved , to show the public
the government is doing something about our own
heroin problem here, and to obviously stop it
reaching our shores and killing our children
They where caught in Bali from a tip off from the aussie's.
Once again why you think this has anything to do
with Corby is beyond me.
No I am not missing any point because under Indonesian law what ever happened in Australia prior to her landing at
Denpassar has no bearing on the case.
She was caught there bringing it into Bali.

All the witnesses and evidence from Australia that was shown to the Judges was disregarded.
e.g the baggage handling evidence and the Prisoner etc.
They don't care.
It was all thrown out of court because
under their legal system it is irrelevant.

Remember the Bali 9 had no drugs in Australia what so ever.
The AFP tipped off the indo authorities months before it even got anywhere near us.


I don't know for sure if she is guilty and neither do you .
Maybe only she know's.

I do know if she was tried here in Australia she would have walked. 100% as you say.

now

For fux sake her sister lives in QLD .

Is any one actually following this case?

What the Bali 9 case and the Bali Bombings case proves is that Indonesian authorities and tha AFP work together on joint operations that relate to both countries. If there was any link to between baggage handlers and and Corby it would have been discovered in the course of their investigations and passed on to Indonesians. Unless you are implying the AFP are corrupt and not paasing on drug smuggling information to cover this up?

My point is that it has been thoroughly investigated and their is no link. Bill kelty said as much 2 weeks ago and almost lost his job for it.

I ask again what evidence? Character references from her friends is not evidence, they are her friends. Would be regarded in exactly the same way in Australia.

What baggage handling evidence? Did someone confess, has someone been convicted, has someone even been arrested over this. Has someone been even sacked over this. NO is the answer. And that is what passes as evidence?

The prisoner? Do you seriously think this convicted crim was telling the truth? You don't think he wanted a trip to bali and 5 minutes of fame. So he knows who it is but lets her take 20 years on the chin. His evidence hurt her cause. Hearsay evidence would not have seen the light of day in Australia and made her look desperate. He has been to court many times bafore and he knew his evidence would be thrown out. Made up a story, didn't have to implicate anyone, and still got a week out of his prison cell. Even most Corby supporters don't beleive this guy.

I ask you, are you actually following the case. Take off the blinkers and have a look around.


Once again what evidence was dismissed?

It would have been a quick case in Australia.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

and off topic, i think its a disgrace if people are actually ringing up charities asking for their tsunami money back/surely this is an exageration

Agree entirely. The 2 events really aren't related. Perhaps the donations should be considered by the Indonesian president when considers granting clemency, PERHAPS. That's the only time the donations may be relavant imo. Apparently the red cross have been receiving donations that are contingent upon the money not going to Indonesia. Piss poor. To the Corbys credit they've asked people not to do this and not to boycott Bali.

 

[Jae]

For fux sake her sister lives in QLD .

Is any one actually following this case?

Good call genius, what case are you following?

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/01/27/1106415738271.html?oneclick=true

Corby, who is from the Gold Coast, frequently turned to flash quick, nervous smiles at her mother, Roz Leigh, who flew from Australia, and her younger sister, Mercedes, who lives in Bali with her husband. Corby had flown from Brisbane to visit her sister when she was arrested on November 8.

Yep, and guess what? All of that was hearsay evidence based on the single testimony of a Balinese customs officer that didn't speak a word of English... Not a word. Reliable evidence you say?

I think borat summed it up, how was it hearsay?

 

[borat]

Balinese customs officer that didn't speak a word of English.

The hide of some people. You think the Indonesians would at least have the common courtesy to abandon their own language and take up english for our beneifit. Would certainly make drug smuggling alot easier.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2004_11_14/story_1280.asp

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2004_11_14/story_1280.asp

GUSTO WINATA (TRANSLATION): I'm sure, because when we opened the second zipper, she was already trying to stop the opening of it. (IN ENGLISH) "Oh, no, I have something inside."

Good on you Gusto, about time you saw the light.

 

[millersnose]

"honest

ididnt notice this huge sack of drugs in a bag custom made to fit my boogey board bag

no really you have to beleive me"

 

[carcharias]

Quote:
For fux sake her sister lives in QLD .

Is any one actually following this case?



Good call genius, what case are you following?


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2...l?oneclick=true


Quote:
Corby, who is from the Gold Coast, frequently turned to flash quick, nervous smiles at her mother, Roz Leigh, who flew from Australia, and her younger sister, Mercedes, who lives in Bali with her husband. Corby had flown from Brisbane to visit her sister when she was arrested on November 8.

Yes I am a genius thanks for noticing.

Once again, she lives in QLD .
This is an extract form an interview with her that was aired on chanel 9 on the Sunday program.

ROSS COULTHART: Which leads to the next rumour, that Mercedes Corby is a long-time Bali local with links to the drug trade. This one is spiced up with the fact that Mercedes is married to a local Balinese man.

MERCEDES CORBY: I come to Bali once every one or two years for a holiday and we thought because my son was to start school this year, Grade One, we'd bring them to Bali to get the language the culture spend time with the family. Go back home. Go back to our jobs and he starts school. But because this happened with Schapelle, we're staying here.

Q: So you're not a long-time Bali resident?

A: No.

Thanks for comin.

I think a few people might want to read the whole thing.

Here's one for the AFP backers amongst us.

RAY COOPER: Former AFP Internal Investigator:

Q: You are aware from your own experiences as a senior federal police officer, of incidents where drugs were moved between Australian airports by drug traffickers.

A: Yes I'm aware of it.

Q: Using baggage handling staff.

A: Using baggage handling staff yes.

new link below

http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1775.asp

Now that doesn't in anyway implicate anyone or does it clear Corby.

It this sort of stuff that makes me feel that she hasn't been proven unequivably guilty.

The seeds of doubt are there for mine.
Just because no one has been caught doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Read the other report I posted form The Australian from today.

 

[borat]

[Edit - Quote the link to the Sunday Website not the the "Aussie News and Views". One has credability the other is a farce and is racist.]


No one ever said that their are not corrupt baggage handlers out there. There is some form of corruption just about everywhere, including the police force. But it has been investigated to the nth degree and there is no link to Corby.

I read the report from the Australian and what you should ask yourself is why is their no link whatsover to Corby, why no arrests, why no sackings?

 

[carcharias]

You are seriously posting this quote from Aussie News and Views. A website which directly beside this story has a banner stating "boycott Islam". That source is about as reliable as John Ford. Your credability just shot out the window.

No one ever said that their are not corrupt baggage handlers out there. There is some form of corruption just about everywhere, including the police force. But it has been investigated to the nth degree and there is no link to Corby.

I read the report from the Australian and what you should ask yourself is why is their no link whatsover to Corby, why no arrests, why no sackings?

It is from the Sunday program and the interview that has been shown twice now.
I've watched it twice .
I don't know anything about that website , I only used the extract.
here's the exact same interveiw from the Sunday nine nmsn website
http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1775.asp
Does it make any difference?
I didn't even notice the banner nor do I care about it.


Have you read what I wrote????
here I''l refresh your memory

Now that doesn't in anyway implicate anyone or does it clear Corby

.



The report in the Australian talks about how they smuggle the drugs.


If your so convinced "Links" will solve the case;
Tell me or show me a link where it shows from whom or where she got the drugs.


They know where the Bali 9 got theirs.