Should Mary be sacked?

[Minh]

Sake Mary. It's Pottor time.

Sake Mary so that's what got him in the DUI:sarcasm::crazy::crazy:

 

[Ruby]

Except for objective view, the rest of you are two faced no idea supporters.

All of you have defended Mary and purple cheater Widdop, even though Objective view and me....Ruby, warned you and provided you statistics week after week.

Finally, today... you see the light. LOL!!

Slow brained bloody twits!

Thanks for nothing!!!

No apologies accepted!

Its too late now.

14th this year.

 

[Willow]

Sake Mary so that's what got him in the DUI:sarcasm::crazy::crazy:

Finally... someone made the sake joke.

My weekend is complete.

 

[Minh]

You don't think moving Dugan back to centre again today indicates Mary has no idea? Mate you're the eternal optimist but he's sunk already ...
The team has no tactics and no heart.....sad times indeed

that was an absolute stupid move, absolute stupidity and bringing in Quinlan who proved to be too soft for FG the last time he played for us and moving Dugan back to centre. Stupidity at it's best, I'm not giving up yet but I've lost a lot of faith in his choices today and today's performance, unacceptable.

 

[BLM01]

It has been obvious from early in the season that McGregor cannot coach this team to attack...neither can his support staff. We have heard all the excuses that the attack will come like a miracle from heaven once the "D" is in place and the errors stop. "D" will only win so many matches...you have to score points to win matches.

The style of play the current Dragons play will not and cannot change any further with the current coaching team in place. So if everyone is happy to see out the current season with the results and playing style similar to what we have seen to date, then well and good, by all means McGregor should stay.

If we want to see any sort of improvement in results, the coach needs to go...NOW. Of course the apologists will say give him more time, they are improving, it will suddenly all click like a miracle, as many did for Price...giving him the benefit of the doubt. But unfortunately it won't come. Currently what we have seen in the first third of the comp is what we will get for the rest of the season..so don't hope for some miraculous transformation, you'll be sadly disappointed as I have been this year...

It has been obvious since the 2nd half of the Bulldogs game last year in about Round 11 or 12 when we started the 7 loss streak

 

[dragons77]

Dugan should have been fullback, unfortunately did not work for Mary on weekend, Quinlan tried but not good enough.
Milne or Mann should have been in centres and Mary should admit, rather than same old excuses.
Bring in Toovey right away as assistant coach, work on halves and attack, Mary should take a step back. Toovey has a lot of fire in belly, maybe what we need.

 

[dragonreddy]

Except for objective view, the rest of you are two faced no idea supporters.

All of you have defended Mary and purple cheater Widdop, even though Objective view and me....Ruby, warned you and provided you statistics week after week.

Finally, today... you see the light. LOL!!

Slow brained bloody twits!

Thanks for nothing!!!

No apologies accepted!

Its too late now.

14th this year.

You are wrong there is quite a number of forum members who have not supported the MARY coach experiment and haven't wavered .

 

[Red V for life]

A big worry for me going forward is there are players coming off contract this year and next. Long story short, a Toovey, Clearly or whoever the replacement would be would be lumped with a ad-hoc, rag tag squad.

There needs to be a succession plan and there needs to be one now. Mary is not our long term coach. He either falls on his sword or the club tells him they are exploring their options, but there needs to be a whole of business strategy in place NOW.

If we don't have the money to pay Mary out, then fork out some money and get a Toovey or Cleary etc in as an assistant or consultant or involved in recruitment with a view to 'officially' take the reigns when Mary's contract is done. We then won't be in a position where the new coach has to spend the first year or two doing the best with what he has.

And the players we are keen to keep on could at least see some light at the end of the tunnel and those players we want to attract can see we are not a dead end destination.

 

[hazzbeen]

Gee Price is some what starting to look good....:sarcasm:

 

[possm]

Finally... someone made the sake joke.

My weekend is complete.

Yean unfortunately on this forum you can't edit a typo in the title and the mods aren't nice enough to do it for you.

The message here is, most reasonable members on this forum saw this for what it is, a typo.

 

[dragonreddy]

Gee Price is some what starting to look good....:sarcasm:

It's like history is repeating itself ,couldn't believe the team could play as bad as under Price but I think they are proving me wrong.Grim indeed.

I know its primarily the coaches fault ,but the players have got to take some of the blame still a lot of the same players that were there during the PRICE GLORY DAYS.

 

[possm]

It's like history is repeating itself ,couldn't believe the team could play as bad as under Price but I think they are proving me wrong.Grim indeed.

I know its primarily the coaches fault ,but the players have got to take some of the blame still a lot of the same players that were there during the PRICE GLORY DAYS.

The players are under pressure to play to instructions. The major problem is that the attacking formation designed by the coaching staff is high risk with the opposition up in the receivers face on receipt of the pass and the high number of forward passes from dummy half. Other teams are hitting the defensive line with speed after taking a pass on the burst. The Dragons are taking the ball flat footed and many times being driven backwards. No clever plays going on in attack, one out running and running into traffic most times.

Mary is the constant in this whole situation. He was incharge of attack under Price and attack is our main problem. Relying on a brickwall defense strategy all game, each game would always deliver a high player attrition rate.

 

[Smirrors]

Guys we need to stick behind Mary. I am sure the players have read that fans want Mary sacked and probably using that as a good excuse for their poor performance. We are 2 gun players short of a real contender team and Mary can only do so much with the limited talent.

Plus its always dangerous coming up against the warriors team who copped a beating the week prior.

 

[Dragonslayer]

A big worry for me going forward is there are players coming off contract this year and next. Long story short, a Toovey, Clearly or whoever the replacement would be would be lumped with a ad-hoc, rag tag squad.

There needs to be a succession plan and there needs to be one now. Mary is not our long term coach. He either falls on his sword or the club tells him they are exploring their options, but there needs to be a whole of business strategy in place NOW.

If we don't have the money to pay Mary out, then fork out some money and get a Toovey or Cleary etc in as an assistant or consultant or involved in recruitment with a view to 'officially' take the reigns when Mary's contract is done. We then won't be in a position where the new coach has to spend the first year or two doing the best with what he has.

And the players we are keen to keep on could at least see some light at the end of the tunnel and those players we want to attract can see we are not a dead end destination.

A worry for me as well, not so much this year but the end of 2017 where more than half the squad is off contract.
If we have a coach that no-one supports then these players will start to shop themselves around either privately or publicly.

2016:
Tom Carr, Ben Creagh, Matthew Dufty, Dylan Farrell, Luciano Leilua, Jake Marketo, Benji Marshall, Adam Quinlan, Mitch Rein, Hame Sele, Joel Thompson

2017:
Euan Aitken, Mike Cooper, Jack de Belin, Josh Dugan, Kalifa Faifai Loa, Yaw Kiti Glymin, Siliva Havili, Patrick Herbert, Jacob Host, Drew Hutchison, Sebastine Ikahihifo, Tim Lafai, Dunamis Lui, Kurt Mann, Mose Masoe, Will Matthews, Tyrone McCarthy, Josh McCrone, Taane Milne, Jason Nightingale, Russell Packer, Izaac Thompson, Gareth Widdop

Look at the list, players like Dugan and even young Aitkin can only take mediocracy for so long. Dugan's "mate" is Ferguson from the Roosters, if we are not serious contenders then he may look for an open door, and where would that leave us?
We cannot wait until the 2018 salary cap increases to sure up our star players, we need to do that now, with the first step is to start to play attractive footy, not this rubbish we've and our players have been force to endure. No-one of any note is going to sign on with our club, when we dish out rubbish like yesterday and stats showing 89 total points scored. Even Newcastle, although getting hammered most weeks, have scored 102.
Mose Masoe must be thinking wow, I'm glad I got injured and not a part of this rabble.

Ok so now is your chance to be recruiter and pathways manager. So out of those lists who would you re-sign (not who would you sign from another club). You may include any U 20's player or Current contracted Cutters players.

 

[since77]

Relying on a brickwall defense strategy all game, each game would always deliver a high player attrition rate.

also, relying on a brick wall defence would require the team to have........a brick wall defence. We have gone from a team that last year at least were gritty in defence but clueless in attack to a team soft in defence and even more clueless in attack.
We are now terrifyingly close to Price-like.

 

[Smirrors]

A big worry for me going forward is there are players coming off contract this year and next. Long story short, a Toovey, Clearly or whoever the replacement would be would be lumped with a ad-hoc, rag tag squad.

This. See what Brown is dealing with? A new coach isn't necessarily going to provide the results we want. In fact coming to us now is a career killing move.

Need a new administration that can sell the RED V to players. The coach is only one piece of the puzzle. Tbh other than money why would anyone come to us...

There needs to be a succession plan and there needs to be one now. Mary is not our long term coach. He either falls on his sword or the club tells him they are exploring their options, but there needs to be a whole of business strategy in place NOW.

You would hope that this is already in place. If not, this is an administration problem like the Tigers. The club cannot constantly hire new coaches and expect a better result on that alone. They should be falling on the sword and cleaning up the club from the top.

 

[possm]

A worry for me as well, not so much this year but the end of 2017 where more than half the squad is off contract.
If we have a coach that no-one supports then these players will start to shop themselves around either privately or publicly.

2016:
Tom Carr, Ben Creagh, Matthew Dufty, Dylan Farrell, Luciano Leilua, Jake Marketo, Benji Marshall, Adam Quinlan, Mitch Rein, Hame Sele, Joel Thompson

2017:
Euan Aitken, Mike Cooper, Jack de Belin, Josh Dugan, Kalifa Faifai Loa, Yaw Kiti Glymin, Siliva Havili, Patrick Herbert, Jacob Host, Drew Hutchison, Sebastine Ikahihifo, Tim Lafai, Dunamis Lui, Kurt Mann, Mose Masoe, Will Matthews, Tyrone McCarthy, Josh McCrone, Taane Milne, Jason Nightingale, Russell Packer, Izaac Thompson, Gareth Widdop

Look at the list, players like Dugan and even young Aitkin can only take mediocracy for so long. Dugan's "mate" is Ferguson from the Roosters, if we are not serious contenders then he may look for an open door, and where would that leave us?
We cannot wait until the 2018 salary cap increases to sure up our star players, we need to do that now, with the first step is to start to play attractive footy, not this rubbish we've and our players have been force to endure. No-one of any note is going to sign on with our club, when we dish out rubbish like yesterday and stats showing 89 total points scored. Even Newcastle, although getting hammered most weeks, have scored 102.
Mose Masoe must be thinking wow, I'm glad I got injured and not a part of this rabble.

Ok so now is your chance to be recruiter and pathways manager. So out of those lists who would you re-sign (not who would you sign from another club). You may include any U 20's player or Current contracted Cutters players.

2016:
Tom Carr, Matthew Dufty, Luciano Leilua, Hame Sele, Joel Thompson

2017:
Euan Aitken, Mike Cooper, Jack de Belin, Josh Dugan, Siliva Havili, Patrick Herbert, Jacob Host, Drew Hutchison, Sebastine Ikahihifo, Tim Lafai, Dunamis Lui, Mose Masoe, Will Matthews, Tyrone McCarthy, Taane Milne, Russell Packer, Izaac Thompson, Gareth Widdop

 

[Red V for life]

2016:
Tom Carr, Matthew Dufty, Luciano Leilua, Hame Sele, Joel Thompson

2017:
Euan Aitken, Mike Cooper, Jack de Belin, Josh Dugan, Siliva Havili, Patrick Herbert, Jacob Host, Drew Hutchison, Sebastine Ikahihifo, Tim Lafai, Dunamis Lui, Mose Masoe, Will Matthews, Tyrone McCarthy, Taane Milne, Russell Packer, Izaac Thompson, Gareth Widdop

2016: agree entirely

2017: Question marks over JdB, Havili, Lafai and Widdop.

The question posed was on retention and not recruitment, but I think we need to start afresh on the hooker position. My end decision on Widdop would come down to who we go with in the halves. They must complement each other. JdB needs to show me more and show it consistently.

 

[JohnnoMcJohnno]

The players are under pressure to play to instructions. The major problem is that the attacking formation designed by the coaching staff is high risk with the opposition up in the receivers face on receipt of the pass and the high number of forward passes from dummy half. Other teams are hitting the defensive line with speed after taking a pass on the burst. The Dragons are taking the ball flat footed and many times being driven backwards. No clever plays going on in attack, one out running and running into traffic most times.

Mary is the constant in this whole situation. He was incharge of attack under Price and attack is our main problem. Relying on a brickwall defense strategy all game, each game would always deliver a high player attrition rate.

Agree with this. We stand totally flat in attack. We do the one out pass thing or the Widdop shuffle. Occasionally, very occasionally we spin it wide or kick to the corners. That's the only set plays we have. No forward offloads with the half lurking behind, no pass back inside, and if you are Dugan, no pass at all. No spiral bombs, no chip kicks except to the opposition fullback, and even if we did kick smart no follow through by anyone except the kicker. It all looks like its about keeping a straight line so we're set for the defence. But now the defence isnt moving up either. Attack or defence, we are lining up to take a hammering.

Does the coach ever look at how other teams play? OK maybe he is useless, but is he incapable of recognising he is useless and getting in some professional part time help?

 

[Willow]

Yean unfortunately on this forum you can't edit a typo in the title and the mods aren't nice enough to do it for you.

The mods are very nice people. But sometimes the table service is simply not up to standard. Did you ask?

Or maybe you could just go along for the ride and see the funny side. There's too much stress in the world already.

The message here is, most reasonable members on this forum saw this for what it is, a typo.

Of course you're right possm.* All typos should be recognised for what they are.

* possum