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Burwood

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The crisis involves many of the biggest names in the game including skipper Kurt Gidley and club veteran Danny Buderus.

I give this to the little kids at school to help them deal with situations. Might come in use for Rothfield as well.

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I understand that Tinkie is a massive prick but I'm sure there are many other billionaires that use the same tactics. The sport journos just seem better at mudslinging than the finance journos
 

Alex28

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Rio Tinto and BHP do this stuff all the time and stretch out creditors as far as they can. This is not a new practice...
 

Nuffy

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Yep, the big guys are masters at this.

Ask any subbie that works for a civil firm about their payment practices.

What surprises me is that the HSG executives are so poor at managing the situation.

In real terms its mugs money and yet they are getting hammered for it.
 

KempoKnight

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ELECTRICIAN turned billionaire coal king Nathan Tinkler has almost entirely settled his case with property developer Mirvac out of court today.

The settlement, which will be complete on Tuesday, was announced to the court by Mirvac barrister Ian Jackman, SC, brother of Hollywood actor Hugh Jackman, shortly after midday.

Details are confidential however it is understood Mr Tinkler has agreed to proceed with the purchase of the piece of land in Newcastle which he had earlier agreed to buy but did not complete. It is understood the completion is due to occur on Monday.

Together with interest owing, Mirvac sued Mr Tinkler's company for $17 million.

Mirvac subsidiary Domaine Steel River sued after Mr Tinkler's companies Ocean Street Holdings and Buildev Group did not complete the land deal.

The case was set for hearing today by Supreme Court Justice Michael Slattery.



Tinkler, who owns the Newcastle Knights, has been battling to hold on to his empire, staving off creditors who have attempted to wind up some of his companies.

Tinkler's fortunes are also in decline because he owns a large stake of stockmarket listed coal company whose shares have slumped.

It took five lawyers and four barristers two hours to negotiate the settlement in rooms outside the court today.

"I congratulate the parties on being able to almost resolve the proceedings," Justice Slattery said.

"In the matter of Domain Steel River and Ocean Street Holdings .... I make orders by consent," Justice Slattery said.

Final orders will be made on Tuesday, October 30 at 9.30am.In a statement released this afternoon, a Mirvac spokesman said: "The defendants have agreed to complete the contract on Monday 29 October at 2pm. If they fail to complete they have consented to the appointment of a sequestrator."

Legal costs for Mirvac are believed to amount to between $90,000 and $115,000.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...case-with-mirvac/story-e6freuy9-1226501354103
 

Pika

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Yep, the big guys are masters at this.

Ask any subbie that works for a civil firm about their payment practices.

What surprises me is that the HSG executives are so poor at managing the situation.

In real terms its mugs money and yet they are getting hammered for it.

That is true but not the extent of Tinkler Companies.

I have worked with every Mining Contractor and mine in the Valley and while they do stretch the limits they have never ended in court unless there was some kind of dispute.

Rio Tinto and the like would never find themselves on credit hold for three seperate strapping companies and have the head trainer cancel a training session because debtors were not paid and he could not find a fourth supplier willing to give them credit.
 

Pika

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Pika, you were there under the old regime was it as bad?

I was paid within seven days without fail under the old system.

I can't comment on other contractors or suppliers though I can say we never ran out of anything.
 

Alex28

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Big companies use their creditors as a source of financing - cheaper than using an overdraft. This has happened for years - dominant companies who use their power over suppliers who need to keep them as customers will have their terms stretched all the time. The big wineries in Mudgee and the Hunter do it all the time. Mining companies do it all the time. Tinky can do it because of his size.

And lets face it - for the prospect of not having to buy a lot of land that he no longer wants, paying &100K in legal fees is nothing (probably less than a months interest if he financed the lot).
 
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Jobdog

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Maules Creek open-cut mine project approved

By IAN KIRKWOOD Oct. 25, 2012, 12:23 p.m.


Whitehaven Coal has received some good news with the long-awaited approval of its Maules Creek open-cut coalmine near Boggabri.

Environmentalists had opposed the mine for its impacts on the Leard State Forest and the state government’s Planning Assessment Commission acknowledged these concerns its approval decision, made public today.

The decision is good news for Whitehaven’s biggest shareholder, Nathan Tinkler, who owns 21 per cent of the company and whose wealth has fallen in line with Whitehaven’s diminishing share price.

Construction costs on Maules Creek have blown out substantially in recent months, but the government go-ahead is expected to result in a rise in Whitehaven’s share price.

Maules Creek coal is planned for export through the Port of Newcastle.

Whitehaven managing director Tony Haggarty said the company was determined to work within the stringent conditions set by the planning commission.
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Could be a massive turnaround for Tinkler. His questionable business practices aside he must have been banking on this deal. The first step in reclaiming his lost wealth. Win Win for The Knights and Jets as well if all goes to plan. The media can stop guessing about our future finances and we can get on with it
 
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Whitehaven has been in a trading halt since Wednesday. Will be interesting to see how the market reacts today. A strong rally would be nice firstly for myself then mr tinkler.
 
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Interestingly he has settled most debts outstanding this last week, namely with Mirvac over the land deal and the NSW Govt over Hunter Stadium. Fair guess he was holding out for this deal. He is noone's idiot old Tinks tis for sure. How long i wonder till the coal starts giving him cashflow?
 
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Joker's Wild

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Nathan Tinkler prepared to quit racing, will stick by Newcastle Knights and Jets
MULTI-millionaire owner Nathan Tinkler remains committed to the Newcastle Knights and Jets football clubs - but he is prepared to walk away from his thoroughbred racing and breeding empire for the right price.

The former electrician turned mining magnate, businessman and thoroughbred owner-breeder contacted The Daily Telegraph yesterday to set the record straight on a number of issues, both on and off the racetrack.

In an open and frank interview, Tinkler confirmed he will continue to provide financial support to both Newcastle footy clubs, will further rationalise his racing interests, and took a swipe at the media.

In a surprising admission, Tinkler said his Patinack Farm racing and breeding operation is "not as enjoyable as it once was".

"I love my racing but I'm living overseas now and I'm not as hands-on as I'd like to be," Tinkler said.

"There is no one in the horse industry that wants to speak positive about anyone.
"The racing industry is a self-promoter's dream and I am not a self-promoter.

"If there was one thing that I could change about myself, that would be to like reading about myself and seeing myself in the papers but I just don't."

AKU UATE

Aku Uate in action for the Newcastle Knights. Picture: Gregg Porteous Source: The Daily Telegraph

Tinkler confirmed plans to further close down his Hawkesbury training base, reduce his Melbourne stable capacity from 50 horse to 25, and concentrate his racing interests with stables at Randwick in Sydney and Canungra, near Brisbane.

"In Melbourne, the focus will be on two- and three-year-olds."

Tinkler then admitted that if someone offered him the right price for his thoroughbred empire, he would consider selling it all - just like Bob Ingham did in 2008 when Darley paid a reported $700 million to buy his entire racing and breeding operation.

"I'd consider selling, and I'd also very much consider a partner," he explained. "In particular, a Chinese partner because the racing industry worldwide needs China to embrace the racing industry.

"If it does, then racing would become part of the world's biggest economy and that would be good for the sport globally."

There were reports Tinkler was trying to off-load his racing and breeding interests to an oil-rich Arab sheik earlier this year. Tinkler was reluctant to talk about the details but had a slightly different take on the issue yesterday.

"I wouldn't sell it to him," he said. "I don't think Australian racing needs more sheiks. Australian racing needs characters and people they can relate to, not more faceless foreign owners."

When I asked him about his football interests and whether he wanted to sell his stake in NRL's Newcastle Knights and the A-League's Newcastle Jets, Tinkler said he was in both clubs for the long haul.

"That is a completely different thing," he said.

"Both clubs are very close to my heart, they are community-based, and I don't need to have a lot to do with the clubs. There are no financial issues with either club, they are safe and secure, they are all fine.

"Racehorses take management, man-hours, lots of people, all those sort of things.

"Fortunately, there is no manes on most of those footy players so they can think and speak for themselves.

"The footy clubs are a much easier business to manage - horses is just massive, the money is massive, everything is just too hard."

EMILE HESKEY

Newcastle Jets marquee man Emile Heskey nets another goal. Source: Getty Images

Tinkler's financial woes seem to make the business pages almost on a daily basis but the man himself once again has a different take on the issue - and had the media in his cross-hairs.

"There has definitely, absolutely, been a spirited media campaign to get me," Tinkler said. "It does piss me off but I just brush it way, I've got broad shoulders.

"But some sections of the media treat me like I was Christopher Skase, breathing through a mask, sitting in a wheelchair in Majorca.

"I never run from anybody, everyone always gets paid.

"I would say the noisy few have made a lot of people nervous and there is no need to be."

Tinkler sent more than 200 broodmares through a Gold Coast sale ring this week as he went about rationalising his thoroughbred business.

He denied the sell-off was because his thoroughbred racing and breeding empire was bleeding financially.

"Earlier this year, one of my staff told me that I was going to have 1800 horses shortly," Tinkler said.

"I just said: 'Mate, what?'

So, this sale was designed to get the numbers back to 1500 horses.

"I believe a more sustainable level is about 800 to 900 horses. "This is a bad time to be selling but we have so many foals hitting the ground we had to do something.

"We will have a lot of yearlings to sell next year and we will be selling at the tried horse sales, too.

Tinkler pointed out every large racing and breeding operation needed to cull some of their stock each year.

"Darley disposes of horses constantly but we tend to evaluate our business every nine months or so," he said.

"I was happy with the results of the sale and thank the buyers who came."

John Thompson trains exclusively for Tinkler - with the obvious exception of super colt All Too Hard, who is prepared by John Hawkes and his sons, Wayne and Michael,

"I've got to say 'Thommo' is going terrific," Tinkler said. "What can you say about a guy who has delivered me a couple of hundred winners for the last couple of years.

"He puts up with all this 'shit' in the media but he gets on with it, does his job. He's not just a great trainer, he's a great person and I love him like a brother.

"As for 'Hawkesy', there is two blokes with a short fuse so if it wasn't going to work, it wasn't going to work early.

"But he knows his stuff, he's a great guy and I have no problem with him."

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KAB

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I heard staff are resigning and heads are rolling. AS they are not happy with the football dealing of young players.
 
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Haha. I googled about Tinkler and the Knights and two threads came up. This one, and this one:

forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=391869

Gotta laugh at how some of the posters have changed their tune in the last 12 months. So much for Tinky the brilliant businessman.
 

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