Slater or Hayne

[Mr Saab]

IMO he's better, and i don't think i'm gettign carried away by saying it, but i honestly reckon he is already.

And you are? 17 yrs old?

 

[Jizmizm]

I think the problem is that there is a myth about there being a myth about Haynes poor defense.

The fact that Hayne may lead the stats in try savers doesn't mean a whole lot. It could show that the Eels defense in front of him is pretty damn poor meaning he has to make the tackle.

As for Billy being not on the list. Well just maybe the Storm defense in front of him is good enough for him not to have to make so many try saving tackles.

The storm have better defence but dont the eels have the third best defence in the comp? With storm second?

Anyway, im an eels & QLD supporter. So I tend to think I can be unbiased in my opinion.

I think they are pretty even. Slater is more consistant, but Hayne is better than Slater when he turns it up. Slater might not be on fire this year but is still above average and has been excellent the past few years. Even though Hayne has more try saving tackles, Slater has better defence, although Jarryd comes up with some bigger hits etc.

Slater is above Hayne in support play but Hayne is above Slater in ballplaying and skill.

All in all, I can see arguments to why each other is better. I think Hayne will be able to cement his spot as the best in the world if he continues to grow. His natural talent is above Billy's.

 

[aussies1st]

Hayne just needs the consistency, took him a while before he reached top gear again but when hes in the top gear its dam hard not to pick him over Slater.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Hayne already has consistency you dopes.he plays well every single game.its just that he has set the bar so high that when he plays a normal good game like a normal human being nobody talks about it and they think he is out of form if he only plays good and not brilliant.


Single handedly won us two games against Manly this season,played brilliant against the Cowboys in Townsville,Brilliant against the Doggies(Earlier clash this season) etc etc



Biggest myth in rugby league history that Hayne isn't consistent.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

When Billy Slater plays a normal good game = People jizz all over him

When Hayne plays a normal good game = People think he is out of form



geniuss.

 

[timka4]

No offense timka4 - but that might be more a memory issue of yours.

The fact that he's made more 1.5 more trysavers than anyone else in the comp might just indicate a bit of urgency.

Sure, his facial expression is fairly flat and devoid of emotion and he "plays it cool" a lot of the time (catching kicks in one hand etc) - but a casual persona does not necessarily equal a lack of urgency.
And when you consider he makes more meterage per kick return and the most trysavers, you might start to think that he has a bit more urgency than the average punter gives credit for.

It's no offense. I know he has the "play it cool" expression but you don't necessarily need urgency to make try saving tackles.

If a line break is made anywhere on the field besides your defensive 20m line, a first grade fullback should be in line to make the tackle anyway, so no real urgency is needed, just the right positioning.

A Classic example of lack of urgency was the Grand Final with the Inglis Bomb. You may blame the winger, but any other fullback would have been there.

I have just noticed over the past couple of years that when tries are about to be scored against the Eels inside the 20m line, I have seen Hayne coming across jogging in support rather than trying too make the tackle or try and hold them up. Whereas the better fullback defenders, eg. Pattern and Slater more times than not are at least rapped around the try scorer. Also I'm not saying he never holds players up or tackles players, just comparing to the better tackling fullbacks.

I personally do think Hayne is slowly starting to find the urgency that Slater has and I'm not saying Hayne has none, I was just saying it's not purely his positioning that gives him his tagged defensive fault, but a slight mixture of lack of urgency as well. Just my 2 cents.

 

[sam54no]

These polls are stupid in my opinion...

You can't compare the two.

What Hayne brings to Parramatta, Slater can't offer.

And vice versa, Hayne wouldn't fit in a side like Melbourne because he'd be touching the ball too much.

But as a Parra supporter, I'd take Hayne any day of the week. When he gets to Slater's age, he'll be even better.

 

[Parra Guru]

Hayne already has consistency you dopes.he plays well every single game.its just that he has set the bar so high that when he plays a normal good game like a normal human being nobody talks about it and they think he is out of form if he only plays good and not brilliant.


Single handedly won us two games against Manly this season,played brilliant against the Cowboys in Townsville,Brilliant against the Doggies(Earlier clash this season) etc etc



Biggest myth in rugby league history that Hayne isn't consistent.

That's this year. I agree that this year he has actually been consistent. It's just one of those excuses the Hayne Haters are clinging on to.

2011 will be the real test for Hayne to see if he can keep it up, but at the moment you can't say with 100% confidence that he is consistent.

 

[Eelementary]

Only thing that the two players have in common is they both do kick returns. Haynes strength is his line breaking and ball playing, Slater with his support play and backline movements. They play different roles in their teams and they both do it well, dont let the number and the position name fool you.

Well said.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I have just noticed over the past couple of years that when tries are about to be scored against the Eels inside the 20m line, I have seen Hayne coming across jogging in support rather than trying too make the tackle or try and hold them up. Whereas the better fullback defenders, eg. Pattern and Slater more times than not are at least rapped around the try scorer. Also I'm not saying he never holds players up or tackles players, just comparing to the better tackling fullbacks.

I'd agree with that back in 2007 and 2008 when he was still finding his feet as a first grade fullback.

But he's had 18 "hold ups" or 1 on 1 try savers this season - which is 50% more than anyone else in the league.

He improved that aspect of his game last season, and stepped it up big time this year - for interests sake this is the first year that he has played ONLY the fullback position, and from the start of the year.

2007 he started on the wing before being shifted to FB in round 18 and finished the season in scintillating touch (if anyone remembers THAT game against the Broncos in round 25). Let the Eels on a charge to fall JUST short in the prelim final (to cheats)
2008 under 'mastercoach Hagan' he was in the centers or on the wing for most of the year. Was shuffled back to fullback for the last 5 games after the season was gone.
2009 he was 5/8 or centers for the first 7 rounds before being given the fullback spot for good. We all know he started to settle in and led the Eels on a charge to fall JUST short in the GF (to cheats)

He can be forgiven for having 'poor' positional play in the past - he simply didn't train it in the off-season. He wasn't going to be playing fullback any of those years.

But this season he has been stellar in that regard and the OBVIOUS reason is that he trained all off-season as a fullback for the very first time.

But oh no - the LU members are voting on this poll based on form from 2008 or something and declaring Hayne can't be well positioned because he wasn't then. If they'd watched this years games they'd know he WAS, and if they had anything in their melons they'd realize the simple reason is that he worked on that aspect of his game over the off-season!

 

[thorson1987]

But he's had 18 "hold ups" or 1 on 1 try savers this season - which is 50% more than anyone else in the league.

That stat is actually pretty useless in a debate like this.

Because it actually shows that the eels defence has had 50% more line breaks against them.

 

[Bobby DIGital]

I voted for Slater.

But really this thread should of been Slater Vs Dugan.

 

[timka4]

I'll agree Craigy, he has gotten better defensively this year compared to last year.

Others have summed it up well though, two different style of fullbacks in attack, only area which you can compare them on is their defence
I hate Slater, but like OP said Slater has done it for longer so I voted Slater

 

[SDM]

That stat is actually pretty useless in a debate like this.

Because it actually shows that the eels defence has had 50% more line breaks against them.

Do you actually believe that:lol:

 

[oldmancraigy]

That stat is actually pretty useless in a debate like this.

Because it actually shows that the eels defence has had 50% more line breaks against them.

You are a mental midget.

The Eels have the second LEAST linebreaks against them this season.

So the stat actually favours Hayne (and Boyd who is in equal second) all the more.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I voted for Slater.

But really this thread should of been Slater Vs Dugan.

Yes - because the Hayne/ Boyd thread has already been made to discuss the 2 BEST fullbacks in the game on form THIS year.

So perhaps Slater might think he could squeeze into third place?

I'd have Dugan third ahead of him though

 

[thorson1987]

You are a mental midget.

The Eels have the second LEAST linebreaks against them this season.

So the stat actually favours Hayne (and Boyd who is in equal second) all the more.

Link to stats?????

 

[thorson1987]

Do you actually believe that:lol:

Not really,

What i meant to say in my post was that stats like that cant really be compared as there are other factors that determine that.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Link to stats?????

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

You come on and make a stupid point about how Hayne being the best at stopping tries in the comp 'proves' that Parra gives up more linebreaks than any other team.

Then I say 'uh - no, Parra is the second best team in the comp in that regard' - and YOU demand stats?

Well, I'm not going to throw you a direct link because you don't know what to do with it anyway.
So you can go to nrlstats.com.au and crunch some numbers - or perhaps figure out yourself where to look up these well known facts.

Did you HONESTLY not realize that Parramatta was one of the best defensive teams in the comp this year???
Only St George is better.

The fact that you don't believe that disqualifies your opinion on this debate because you clearly don't understand what's been happening in the NRL THIS SEASON.

 

[joseph1]

Too many doofuses on this thing. What have either done on the field to deserve hate from any fans? They are two of the best 5 or so players in the game. Or is it off the field that people find causr to hate one or the other? Then clutch at straws to try to justify why one is overated. They are both superb! Why the hatred? The game would be poor without them, and a Coote vs Dugan thread..