Slater or Hayne

[WaznTheGreat]

Slater is a fullback and fullback only.

Hayne could play halfback or 5/8th,big enough and strong enough to play lock or in the centres,obviously fullback/winger.



Slater is quite clearly inferior to Hayne.

 

[Parra Guru]

Different strengths, different weaknesses. I voted for who I would prefer to have in my team. Hayne.

I honestly think Hayne has had a good year all round. People who say he's gone missing.... if you have actually been watching, can you give me a list of specific games? The verdict on Hayne's game shouldn't be based on whether or not Parra win. Hayne has orchestrated a lot ALL YEAR, and has worked on aspects of his game.

The haters are running out of excuses.

 

[bildo]

Hayne has never had the advantage of playing behind a top dollar, cheating, bunch of stars, week in and week out, for years on end. He has to carry his team in attack, week in and week out, and he is only 22.

Billy is without a doubt a great player, but Hayne has the potential to be the best ever.

They are both great for the game.

 

[joseph1]

Yeah it seems alot of folks in the first
half of the year havent watched parramatta play, seen the result somewhere and thought 'oh parra lost, see that convinces me that haynes a myth after all'. If theyd watched the games they would have seen that Hayne has set up many of parras tries this year and he was essentially playing halfback in attack. Now the halves are doing something, he has gone back to his floating role and has gone from 7 or 8/10 personally to 10/10. Remember as well that teams almost triple mark him when hes in the line, which is why this year hes been throwing so many cutout passes (eg to inu last week). Those dont show up in scoresheets but they are Hayne created tries. He has had overall quite a stellar 2010 in a so far average team. Remember he has singlehandedly taken care of manly twice, melbourne, dogs, panthers and cows. Thats 6 of the 9(?) wins parra has had. And hes missed 3 games for origin. (his origin game 3 was great also). Give the guy credit where its due or keep your mouths shut. You look like fools for giving him unwanted criticism, and just seem to do it because either 1) your a jealous QLDer 2) your jealous of his media attention or 3) your a one eyed raiders or storm fan. And i actually still voted for Slater.. But just be realistic about Jarryd please.

 

[Loudstrat]

Slater is a fullback and fullback only.

Hayne could play halfback or 5/8th,big enough and strong enough to play lock or in the centres,obviously fullback/winger.



Slater is quite clearly inferior to Hayne.

Although he handled the wing very well, Slater doesn't have to be anything else than a fullback.

Hayne has been a journeyman basically for the same reasons Inglis has - they stuck him where they needed him. And lets not forget that Brian Smith refused to pick him in reserve grade - imagine if the turd hadn't left Parra in a tanty and given the reigns to Taylor - who promoted Hayne - He would have gone elsewhere whinging that he couldn't make first grade because of Daniel Wagon!

Being a journeyman isn't necessarily a good thing. Brett Kenny played most of his test footy at centre because Wally (who Burt kept out of the side in the 82 roo tour) couldn't play anywhere else.

 

[Moffo]

the hayne group (as referenced in the votes) is full of parra supporters whereas the slater group come from all teams

i think its fair to say that as a representative LU have deemed Slater to be the better player. Close though

Cheers,
Moffo

 

[Schiltzenberger]

the hayne group (as referenced in the votes) is full of parra supporters whereas the slater group come from all teams

i think its fair to say that as a representative LU have deemed Slater to be the better player. Close though

Cheers,
Moffo

Taking the Eels and Storm fans out of the equation it looks like an easy victory for Slater, not so close at all.

There'd be reasons for this though...

Hayne still hasn't shown consistency, even if some think he has played good all year, he simply hasn't. He was trying too hard and was sitting at first receiver too often, which was actually detrimental to the team and his halves, yeah those guys that he pushed out of the way. So for most of this season the halves had to stand around while Hayne took over, which also meant we didn't have a fullback doing fullback things in attack, like supporting runners. He scored his 1st try of the season in about round 10, it was probably the 1st time all year that he actually ran off someone.

People are just sick and tired of the Hayne wankfest and would've voted Slater just because it. I see where they're coming from too, idiots in the Parra forum are talking about how he is better than Kenny.:crazy:
Hayne had a good little 10+ game run last year and has had a few great games in the last few weeks and people put him ahead of Kenny, crazy stuff. Kenny was an integral member of a team that won 4 GFs, he scored 2 tries in 3 GFs in a row, he took Lewis' spot on the 82 Kangaroos team. He was competing against Lewis in Origin and had a good record against him, more often than not he beat him.

Sure Hayne is talented and may end up better than Kenny, but he isn't there yet, he needs more consistency. The season doesn't start in round 17.

 

[Loudstrat]

That's because there are bugger all Storm fans. QLDers would also have voted for Slater. And Haynetrain's efforts would have tripled Billy's votes.

I have see no reference comparing Hayne to Kenny apart from Kenny himself -suggesting that Hayne is already the most influential player Parra has had. I disagree - names like Thornett, Sterling, Cronin and Price are huge ones.

Still Hayne is only 22 - and Slater's already over the hill - almost ;-)

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Taking the Eels and Storm fans out of the equation it looks like an easy victory for Slater, not so close at all.

There'd be reasons for this though...

Hayne still hasn't shown consistency, even if some think he has played good all year, he simply hasn't. He was trying too hard and was sitting at first receiver too often, which was actually detrimental to the team and his halves, yeah those guys that he pushed out of the way. So for most of this season the halves had to stand around while Hayne took over, which also meant we didn't have a fullback doing fullback things in attack, like supporting runners. He scored his 1st try of the season in about round 10, it was probably the 1st time all year that he actually ran off someone.

People are just sick and tired of the Hayne wankfest and would've voted Slater just because it. I see where they're coming from too, idiots in the Parra forum are talking about how he is better than Kenny.:crazy:
Hayne had a good little 10+ game run last year and has had a few great games in the last few weeks and people put him ahead of Kenny, crazy stuff. Kenny was an integral member of a team that won 4 GFs, he scored 2 tries in 3 GFs in a row, he took Lewis' spot on the 82 Kangaroos team. He was competing against Lewis in Origin and had a good record against him, more often than not he beat him.

Sure Hayne is talented and may end up better than Kenny, but he isn't there yet, he needs more consistency. The season doesn't start in round 17.

Get over yourself, he's better then Kenny, just watch some f**king tape.

So f**king what if kenny won GF's, did ET?, Wally, Pearce, Roach etc etc win any?

Shane Perry won a GF, your whole argument is crap.

Hayne is talented, just accept it, he does everything that Kenny did plus more, even Kennys trademark intercept is in serious doubt of being taken over by Hayne.

Every single thing that kenny had which made him great Hayne has, it is all on tape.

Oh he threw a dummy in a GF:roll:

Kenny from 87-93 was just a bumbling mess, who couldn't even overtake Michael Speecly at 5/8:lol:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Oh, and everything Kenny was great at, Hayne is better at, simple, hell, Kenny couldn't even kick a ball lol

 

[Loudstrat]

Ron - post #149 - seriously if Dio was the truth you have just sung Abba.

Have a look at the tape of the 1985 Challenge Cup Final. There are a few things that Hayne will never master. Namely Kenny's ability to sprint, then suddenly stop dead still as if frozen in time, wait for the tackler to fall off, and then run again. Kenny was class - a better big match player than ANYONE today.

Kenny played in the 5 metre rule and ran in more tries than any one player today - Hayne included. Kenny had a better combination with players than Hayne will ever have. Not only Sterling and Cronin, but his work with Ella was supernatural - watch the skill and interplay between them for Zips try in the 1983 GF.

Kenny was something Hayne may aspire to. Kenny was the best post-war pivot bar maybe Bob Fulton. And not a shred of ego. Then again, he played between Sterling and Cronin, and also with Price and Grothe Snr. Hayne has Hindy, Fui and a few mates left over from Piggy Ridell's last port, prawn and porn night.

Oh, and Maurice Lindsay still reckoned Bert was the best player in the world as late as 1992 - having seen him carve up the Pommy test side and wishing he was still at Wigan - despite having the likes of Hanley, Offiah and the rest.

Bert is still King.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Ron - post #149 - seriously if Dio was the truth you have just sung Abba.

Have a look at the tape of the 1985 Challenge Cup Final. There are a few things that Hayne will never master. Namely Kenny's ability to sprint, then suddenly stop dead still as if frozen in time, wait for the tackler to fall off, and then run again. Kenny was class - a better big match player than ANYONE today.

Kenny played in the 5 metre rule and ran in more tries than any one player today - Hayne included. Kenny had a better combination with players than Hayne will ever have. Not only Sterling and Cronin, but his work with Ella was supernatural - watch the skill and interplay between them for Zips try in the 1983 GF.

Kenny was something Hayne may aspire to. Kenny was the best post-war pivot bar maybe Bob Fulton. And not a shred of ego. Then again, he played between Sterling and Cronin, and also with Price and Grothe Snr. Hayne has Hindy, Fui and a few mates left over from Piggy Ridell's last port, prawn and porn night.

Oh, and Maurice Lindsay still reckoned Bert was the best player in the world as late as 1992 - having seen him carve up the Pommy test side and wishing he was still at Wigan - despite having the likes of Hanley, Offiah and the rest.

Bert is still King.

Haha, RIP RJD.

I've seen that Challenge Cup game, yes he was amazing, but you have to remember the english style is more suited towards attack - from all reports Eric Grothe snr scored better trys over there whilst on tour then the one he scored in the 83 semi against Canterbury.

Kenny was a great player, never said he wasn't, i've seen both of them play, and without a doubt imo, Hayne is better, he simply has more weapons, and just think Hayne doesn't have the likes of Sterlo, Cronin, Price etc outside him, he has Inu, Reddy, Matt Keating, and even at one stage Todd Lowrie ffs;-)

Hayne has scored what 5 or 6 trys already in his short career that would probably be close to getting in the top individual trys in Australian Rugby League history, and he's only 22. When i think of great Kenny trys, all i can remember is the dummy, and the one in the Challenge Cup, apart from that they were never as freakish.

Kenny did have a great change of pace, but i think hayne has it covered in other arears such as maintaining pace, stepping of both feet etc.

IMO he's better, and i don't think i'm gettign carried away by saying it, but i honestly reckon he is already.

 

[Moffo]

The average punter has deemed slater better. Game over

 

[Pete Cash]

Hayne was playing for his State and Country at Dugans age.:lol:

Also nice link on your last post, what sort of team lets a prop run 50 and almost score from a dropout?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6amkVHDhso (end of the video)

What sort of team lets a backrower stroll through their edge defence and stand their fullback up ????????????????????????????????? (dont be fooled by the number. Thompson is a backrower who has filled in at centre because of injuries.)

Hayne is a much better athlete than Dugan. I am hardly sold on him being a better fullback. If I had them both in my side Dugan would be at fullback. He would have made a play for Thompson rather than whatever Hayne did.

 

[oldmancraigy]

The average punter has deemed slater better. Game over

Probably says more about the inability of the LU forum members to watch and appreciate current form than anything else?

If anyone on these forums thinks Slater is having a better season than Hayne, Dugan or Boyd, then their vote does not count in this poll.

You can say whatever you want, but those 3 have been consistently better than him this season (and all play on teams with $1.5mill less in salary) - and an argument could be made that Coote has been better.

No doubt Slater played a few good games this year, but has been far from outstanding. However he WILL be the Aussie fullback since he was custodian for the Maroons and they won the series easily, AND he is the incumbent.

 

[oldmancraigy]

What sort of team lets a backrower stroll through their edge defence and stand their fullback up ????????????????????????????????? (dont be fooled by the number. Thompson is a backrower who has filled in at centre because of injuries.)

Hayne is a much better athlete than Dugan. I am hardly sold on him being a better fullback. If I had them both in my side Dugan would be at fullback. He would have made a play for Thompson rather than whatever Hayne did.

Pretty sure the Dragons submitted in the same way to the Raiders?

And you think Dugan would have made a play? This despite the empirical evidence which shows Dugan misses more tackles and has more ineffective tackles by far?

Hayne has one of the best tackling percentages of all fullbacks in the comp - and only Darius Boyd and Luke Patten make fewer 'ineffective' tackles. (Hayne 0.3 Boyd + Patten 0.1).

Don't get me wrong, Dugan is no Billy Slater when it comes to tackling (ie poor) - but he's not in the same class as Hayne in that regard.

Oh - and one bad defensive read on an awful night for the whole team? Mmmhmmm....

Stop reading/ believing myths and go and do some proper analysis.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

The average punter has deemed slater better. Game over

the average punter is either a Melbourne, QLD fan or hates Parramatta hence why so many votes.

I once saw Cronulla win an LU poll for most fans - i guess they have the biggest fan base too:lol:

Good luck with your GDN and MAE shares moffo:lol:

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

I love how Slater is winning ,but members if the Hayne wank train,wont accept it...
But,but,but,but.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I love how Slater is winning ,but members if the Hayne wank train,wont accept it...
But,but,but,but.

Slater can win this poll, i'll leave it to the experts like Andrew Johns, tallis, Gould to see who is more talented

 

[SDM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6amkVHDhso (end of the video)

What sort of team lets a backrower stroll through their edge defence and stand their fullback up ????????????????????????????????? (dont be fooled by the number. Thompson is a backrower who has filled in at centre because of injuries.)

Hayne is a much better athlete than Dugan. I am hardly sold on him being a better fullback. If I had them both in my side Dugan would be at fullback. He would have made a play for Thompson rather than whatever Hayne did.

2007 Raiders - Hindmarsh went 70M up the middle to score.