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So Its Round 5. Does Ivan Stay Or Go

Rich102

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Yeah. Fairleigh is helping out until things start with the Central Coast Bears.
 

Penrose Warrior

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Mmm well I'd expect to see results from he and Wiki taking charge of our forwards.

Just as an aside, if we were TAB bookmakers, what would we set the odds at that of Pricey actually playing this season? The more the weeks tick by, the more I wonder...
 

Rich102

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OK. We're 9 games into the season now.
Lets just review things.

We are sitting in 7th place. We have won 4, had 1 bye and lost 5.

Improved result?

The teams we have beaten sit in 10th, 11th, 14th and 15th place. We have been beaten by the team in 13th place. (Add one more place to these placings if you want to ignore the Storm in 16th place.)

Last week the Cowboys were poor, but we set-up the victory by winning the battle in the forwards. Something we do too rarely.

This week we play a team in 5th place. This will be more a test of where we are.
 

Meth

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This week we play a team in 5th place. This will be more a test of where we are.

Yeah, I agree

As it is, its surprising to consider that we are at high as 7th (I take your point about the teams that we have beat). We should be fairly happy with the position we are in considering the injuries that we have suffered and the football we have played. Not a bad result really.
 

Jodeci

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With the players you have attracted for next year, I hope Iro does take over with Wiki as his assitant.

Cleary has had enough chances in his time.

If anything, I'd throw the cheque book at Stephen Kearney
 

JoeD

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A mate of mine was told in a pub by a current Warriors player (currently on the outer) that they'd never win a comp with Ivan as coach. Just found no inspiration from him at all.

I have a very similar story. A mate was told by a current and regular 1st grader that Cleary barely talks to the team.
 

Revelation 3:20

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It's so true the Warriors are going nowhere with Cleary at the helm.
Unfortunatly until the bosses at the Warriors agree, we'll se him next year.
 

Rich102

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AUCKLAND: Mongrel, sacrifice. Two words the Warriors have been using as inspiration to restore Mt Smart's once-inhospitable reputation.
Both were in evidence as they hung on for victory over Souths yesterday, although the sacrifice wasn't intended: their best forward, Sam Rapira, is gone for the season and they played nearly half the game with a two-man bench.

After humbling home defeats in the opening rounds (three times they have conceded more than 20 points in the first half), the Warriors needed a new attitude. ''We had to get more mongrel in us … more physicality - I think we've done that,'' said rejuvenated centre Jerome Ropati, who scored two tries and ran for 194 metres after mid-week reports that the club had warned him to lift his game.
''Teams have to travel here and play in front of our crowd, and we have to take advantage of that. We have a fairly new team who haven't played here that much and they are trying to get a feel for that. I think they've done it in the last couple of games.''
Ropati said Warriors players knew they wouldn't see five-eighth James Maloney and prop Rapira back on the field after both were carried away before the 43rd minute. Even so, they scored three times in that spell to take control of the game. It brought the Warriors' first win this season against a top-eight side, a crucial test of their credentials and of their coach, Ivan Cleary, who began the year as the bookies' favourite to be first for the sack and who must make the final eight to keep his job.
The Warriors began as swiftly as the rain fell. They almost led from the first set and were 6-0 up inside three minutes - with Souths fullback Rhys Wesser already on report - with a try to mark his 150th NRL game from fullback Lance Hohaia. A scrambled Souths try from Colin Best had been cancelled out by Brent Tate's reply before a challenge by Sam Burgess badly bruised the rapidly improving Maloney's back.
Maloney collapsed soon after and trainer Ruben Wiki desperately tried to replace him as a scrum was set but sideline official Alan Caddy refused to allow the interchange and Fetuli Talanoa scored the first of his two tries through the resulting gap.
The rules clearly state changes can't happen at a scrum. But Cleary said: ''It was a farce, ridiculous: it just shows officials sometimes don't have a handle on the context of the game.''
Souths went 18-10 ahead through Wesser but the Warriors scored three times in a nine-minute spell straddling half-time to go 26-18 in front, despite having Rapira chaired off two minutes after the break.
Maloney departed on a malfunctioning golf cart and the early fears for him faded; he'll be out for just a week. But Rapira, whose parents were in the home dressing room afterwards, has almost certainly torn an anterior cruciate ligament and was assessed immediately by orthopaedic specialist Stu Walsh, who agreed with club doctor John Mayhew's initial analysis.
It did not perturb the Warriors, with Rapira's young front-row partner Russell Packer lifting his game admirably. They leaked only one more try, a second from Talanoa, and then defended and defended.
''There has been a shift in the way our players have been preparing,'' said the ever-understated Cleary.
It came at the right time.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...sh-inner-mongrel-on-souths-20100523-w3qk.html

Is this official? Do they have to make the eight or Cleary is goneski? Has anyone seen or heard anything?
 

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Is this official? Do they have to make the eight or Cleary is goneski? Has anyone seen or heard anything?

In this particular article, I'd say it's a touch of journalistic licence although it's probably almost certain to be the case.
 

Rich102

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After 11 rounds it's quite clear.

Go, go, go. No more excuses - just go.
And take Ropati and Henderson with you.
 

ozreece77

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I've never understood why it is the coach that has to take all the blame for individual errors.
Cleary isnt the one dropping the ball in his own 20m area on the first hitup.
Cleary isnt the one throwing a miracle pass on tackle one when we have just made a big break into the opposition's area.
Cleary isnt the one throwing the forward pass to the winger with an open tryline.
Cleary isnt the one dropping the high ball cold with no attackers in sight.
Cleary isnt the one dropping the ball in the play the ball just after the team has defended for 2 sets in a row.
Cleary isnt the one trying to strip the ball out of the oppositions hands with 2 in the tackle.
Did you ever watch John Ackland last year when they showed the coaches box during games just after a Warrior had done something stupid? If the poor guy had any hair to pull out, it would have been gone halfway thru last year.
Stop putting the boot into the coach for individual errors that he has no control over.
All the above mistakes put the team under unnecessary pressure, switch momentum, and more often than not, cost games.
 

Skinner

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I've never understood why it is the coach that has to take all the blame for individual errors.
Cleary isnt the one dropping the ball in his own 20m area on the first hitup.
Cleary isnt the one throwing a miracle pass on tackle one when we have just made a big break into the opposition's area.
Cleary isnt the one throwing the forward pass to the winger with an open tryline.
Cleary isnt the one dropping the high ball cold with no attackers in sight.
Cleary isnt the one dropping the ball in the play the ball just after the team has defended for 2 sets in a row.
Cleary isnt the one trying to strip the ball out of the oppositions hands with 2 in the tackle.
Did you ever watch John Ackland last year when they showed the coaches box during games just after a Warrior had done something stupid? If the poor guy had any hair to pull out, it would have been gone halfway thru last year.
Stop putting the boot into the coach for individual errors that he has no control over.
All the above mistakes put the team under unnecessary pressure, switch momentum, and more often than not, cost games.

Who coaches them defence ?????Who coaches a flat attack?????
 

Iafeta

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After 11 rounds it's quite clear.

Go, go, go. No more excuses - just go.
And take Ropati and Henderson with you.

It's quite clear? That's a bit... dramatic isn't it? Fair dinkum, they're 5 and 6. If it was quite clear they'd be 3 and 8 or something stupid.

Ivan to me is very hard to evaluate. And it's almost impossible to give him any conscionable rating on what's happened thus far. Not only have we had an absolutely enormous and high quality injury list, but we've had a fair few games where blokes have come off reducing off bench. In a couple of them, we've still won.

Going off your analysis Rich, we should have given up on Kiwi at the Melbourne Cup too. Kiwi was running dead last coming up to the turn. That was the epitomy of quite clear. Let's see what happens at the seasons end, shall we?
 

ozbash

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did you go Skinz, its your old stamping ground, isnt it ?

The knives will be out after we get flogged at home next weekend v Drags. People are getting a bit miffed after Friday nights game, after next week they'll be ropable...

I dont blame Ives for the injuries but some of Fri nights positional and interchange options left me scratching my head...
 

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