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Souths Duty of Care

Card Shark

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Josh Miller is going to be front and centre of any concussion based litigation brought on the NRL.
He'll be lucky not to be dribbling into a bib by the age of 45

Has he already been diagnosed with issues resulting from repeated concussions?
 

muzby

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Miller retired early on medical advice, didn't he?

yep..

Failing a memory test shows concussions had taken their toll for retired Dragons prop Josh Miller

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Josh Miller says that the end came while drawing.

The rugged St George Illawarra prop recalls that particular moment some weeks back when, pencil in hand, he looked down at a blank sheet of paper provided by Dr Andrew Gardner and found himself struggling to continue.

For three, maybe four hours Miller had pushed diligently through a range of cognitive tests with the revered Australian concussion specialist. Determined to show how, despite being rattled to the point of unconsciousness enough times to now worry even Dragons staffers, he was ready for another punishing season of league.

"And the testing, I'd been doing really well," Miller says now, only minutes after a press conference to announce his retirement.

"But when we started on short-term memory, yeah, I struggled a bit. I'd trace out two pictures and then, a few minutes later, be asked to draw one again. Or we'd pair 10 words and, after going through them, the doc would start over; saying one and waiting for me to say the other."

And when, like the drawings, those pairings never came ... Miller was done.

"But please I don't wanna make this a concussion story," says a footballer so tough, Dragons coach Steve Price suggested he become an SAS commando.

"We play hard and sometimes stuff happens."

Sadly, it does.

Like back in April last year, when it was revealed how retired North Queensland prop Shaun Valentine - a footballer concussed seven times in only 36 NRL career games - now spends some mornings vomiting into a sink as he struggles to get ready for a job he hasn't held since high school.

"Whenever the dizzy spells come on, it's like I go back in time," the Townsville landscaper explained. "Eventually I do snap out if it ... eventually."

Just like his Dragons counterpart, Valentine had asked we not make a deal of his situation. And who can blame them?

Miller grew up gifted with none of the skills required to not only play NRL, but enjoy 122 games with Canberra and then the Dragons. Yet twice this workaholic forward was awarded Raiders player of the year.

"But talent, it's overrated," the 28-year-old shrugs. "If you're willing to tough it out and have a go, you can play NRL."

Which is why you truly hope Miller understands he's no weaker for having gone out this way. Even if it came when, returning home this week from an American holiday with new fiancee Samantha, he found both parents on his doorstep, waiting.

"They'd been told the test results," he says. "And I can cop it. But, yeah, would've played 'til 80 if I could."

Which is why the NRL needs men like Gardner, the neuropsychology specialist who recently toured Boston University's Centre for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy.

Dubbed 'The Brain Bank', the centre's research team examines donated brains from deceased NFL and NHL players in an effort to explain the increasing presence of chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE.

A degenerative condition, CTE leads to depression, dementia, even suicide. Or put more simply, what can happen when athletes ignore that blank piece of paper.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...many-head-knocks/story-fn2mcuj6-1226514261925

or maybe he just wasn't 'tough' like reynolds (as the souffs fans would have you believe..)
 

God-King Dean

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I was hard watching Valentine in his short career. Was constantly getting knocked out. Felt sick watching him.
 

betcats

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I was hard watching Valentine in his short career. Was constantly getting knocked out. Felt sick watching him.

Felt that way watching Liam Fulton play, especially towards the end. Luke Lewis is another one whos mellon is always banged up.

Anyway if JReynolds plays dead to get a penalty now will that be the end of him for the game? Because diving for a penalty is the most positive way he effected games for the doggies little shit merkin.
 
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I'm glad Fulton gave it away. Would have hated knowing our club continuously allowed him to put himself in harms way. Four or five concussions or something like seven weeks.
 

BranVan3000

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Fulton retired early due to the amount of concussions he has had,Turner on the other hand has had as many conconcussions and a spinal injury yet he looks like playing again this year,different teams different outcomes.

Fulton retired after 11 years of first grade. Turner has had one. Their situations are not remotely comparable.

Expecting a footy player to retire when he has hundreds of thousands in potential earnings and potential rep jerseys in his future isn't that realistic. Hopefully for Turner he can turn a corner and improve his situation. But it's a bit early for forced retirement
 

muzby

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Fulton retired after 11 years of first grade. Turner has had one. Their situations are not remotely comparable.

Expecting a footy player to retire when he has hundreds of thousands in potential earnings and potential rep jerseys in his future isn't that realistic. Hopefully for Turner he can turn a corner and improve his situation. But it's a bit early for forced retirement

do you even read what you post? your ignorance to the issue is worrying, and if it's a shared opinion within fans & staff at your club, then this is a real worry..

regardless of how long a career you've had, a spate of concussions close together is a concern as the brain has not had sufficient time to heal.

if you've ever had a proper concussion, you'll know just how rough you are for weeks afterwards.

here are two articles from last year, both around fulton & turner.

fulton:
Fulton sustained four concussions in six games this year, and after consultation with family and teammates made the call to stand down from the game for the sake of his long-term health.

full article here: http://www.nrl.com/liam-fulton-retires-from-rugby-league/tabid/10874/newsid/80122/default.aspx

turner:
Turner has suffered six serious head knocks in the past 12 months ? understood to be the most of any NRL player.

The Coonabarabran product has been heavily concussed four times in 2014 and subsequently taken from the field for assessment under new NRL guidelines.

Worse, the promising back-rower suffered another two head knocks in NSW Cup late last year, leaving him with serious headaches and worrying bouts of nausea.

full article here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...sixth-concussion/story-fni3gki8-1227073084596

that article re: turner was from september last year.

add to that his head slam & busted neck from the all-stars, he may be best to weigh up his long term future now..

perhaps he should pick up the phone and have a chat to shaun valentine..



i am shocked at just how dense so many souths fans are when it comes to this issue..
 

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do you even read what you post? your ignorance to the issue is worrying, and if it's a shared opinion within fans & staff at your club, then this is a real worry..

regardless of how long a career you've had, a spate of concussions close together is a concern as the brain has not had sufficient time to heal.

if you've ever had a proper concussion, you'll know just how rough you are for weeks afterwards.

here are two articles from last year, both around fulton & turner.

fulton:


turner:


that article re: turner was from september last year.

add to that his head slam & busted neck from the all-stars, he may be best to weigh up his long term future now..

perhaps he should pick up the phone and have a chat to shaun valentine..



i am shocked at just how dense so many souths fans are when it comes to this issue..

perhaps turner should retire then, as sad as it would be. even if he does retire now, he may still have problems from those concussions that he has already had. atleast he got to win a premiership, something alot of star players with long careers haven't achieved/experienced. he might just have to have a long time out to give his brain time to heal, which is happening anyway since he is injured. i believe some players who get bad concussions come back way too early. fulton being in the position that got him 4 concussions in 6 weeks is a f**ken disgrace
 
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perhaps turner should retire then, as sad as it would be. even if he does retire now, he may still have problems from those concussions that he has already had. atleast he got to win a premiership, something alot of star players with long careers haven't achieved/experienced. he might just have to have a long time out to give his brain time to heal, which is happening anyway since he is injured. i believe some players who get bad concussions come back way too early. fulton being in the position that got him 4 concussions in 6 weeks is a f**ken disgrace

:lol: He was stood down for the necessary time by the medical staff and came back via the right channels. IIRC he never played the following week, and the club actually made him take an extended break and asked him to think about his future. Let's not forget that Fulton actually kept his symptoms he was experiencing from the club also because he didn't want to get stood down.

The Tigers actually gave a shit about his long term welfare and didn't want him ending a up a dribbling vegetable.

Don't let that get in the way of your petty hatred.
 

muzby

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being able to think, function & remember stuff > winning a premiership...
 

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being able to think, function & remember stuff > winning a premiership...

Remember it is souths,Reynolds got up fell over got up and staggered around against easts in round 2,he came back on and played crap,big surprise there,he passed the concussion test,yeh sure he did,and he isn't the first souths player to do this.
 

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:lol: He was stood down for the necessary time by the medical staff and came back via the right channels. IIRC he never played the following week, and the club actually made him take an extended break and asked him to think about his future. Let's not forget that Fulton actually kept his symptoms he was experiencing from the club also because he didn't want to get stood down.

The Tigers actually gave a shit about his long term welfare and didn't want him ending a up a dribbling vegetable.

Don't let that get in the way of your petty hatred.

wtf, 4 concussions in 6 weeks obviously isn't being stood down for the necessary time, and any medical staff that ok'ed it were obviously wrong. so he had an extended break after the 4 concussions in 6 weeks - that's a bit too late. even if fulton didn't want to be stood down, the club should have not let him play for his own good. i don't care which team he was playing for, i would still have the same opinion
 

alien

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Remember it is souths,Reynolds got up fell over got up and staggered around against easts in round 2,he came back on and played crap,big surprise there,he passed the concussion test,yeh sure he did,and he isn't the first souths player to do this.

he was only crap when he first came on
 

Ziggy the God

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Remember it is souths,Reynolds got up fell over got up and staggered around against easts in round 2,he came back on and played crap,big surprise there,he passed the concussion test,yeh sure he did,and he isn't the first souths player to do this.

He passed the test, the NRL found that we did it by the book.
The rules have changed, we had 2 not come back last week.
Too hard to understand for you?

I see Farrah copped a head knock last week, comes off and does the test, gets some tape on his head and runs back out :lol: Probably used magic spray on his fat moron noggin too.
 

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