Sri Lanka tour of NZ

[JJ]

Elliott ahead of Neesham was a weird one. I know Neesham has been flat for the last little while in ODI's, but Elliott has had so many goes and never really fired.

Beyond weird for me, everyone wants to be positive about Elliott, but for me he ordinary and we really can't expect anything. Neesham was decent in the tests, and I really don't see what Elliott offers - as I said above, play both spinners and bat Anderson 5 and Ronchi 6 and I don't see us losing ruuns

Ryder is the issue, he's not a dumb merkin and he opens, B McCullum at 5 and Anderson/Neesham at 6 - no problem, and I reckon we go close to winning....

 

[Red Bear]

Elliot had one amazing chappel-hadlee series in i think early 09 IIRC, not much since

 

[Iafeta]

Exactly. No-one in the world watches FC cricket. England do because there's more to their cricket then just the national team.

On Guptill, his position in the ODI team shouldn't be in question. He's a key player with the bat and in the field. He'll come right.

Yeah I don't get the hate on Guptill. Averages 37 at a strike rate of 80, and a genuinely world class fielder. His List A performances are always very fine as well. The options behind him just aren't there in the opening bat position.

Another bloke I feel who has never really got the opportunity his first class performances suggest he should have, and also presents a part time bowling option like Grant Elliott, is Colin Munro. Those that are living in NZ, what are the major detractions for Munro that would stop him from being picked? Is he a flat track pie basher only? His record is very, very good in all forms of the game.

 

[Iafeta]

Elliot had one amazing chappel-hadlee series in i think early 09 IIRC, not much since

Had a really good tour of England before that as well. Lots of not outs, and lots of 2-10 type bowling performances. He's not a bad cricketer, don't know if he's quite international quality, but he has a lot of experience to draw on. Still, as above I'm not sure how he's better than Colin Munro.

 

[Iafeta]

Beyond weird for me, everyone wants to be positive about Elliott, but for me he ordinary and we really can't expect anything. Neesham was decent in the tests, and I really don't see what Elliott offers - as I said above, play both spinners and bat Anderson 5 and Ronchi 6 and I don't see us losing ruuns

Ryder is the issue, he's not a dumb merkin and he opens, B McCullum at 5 and Anderson/Neesham at 6 - no problem, and I reckon we go close to winning....

Neesham hasn't taken advantage of his ODI opportunities. I'm not sure if there is genuinely room for Anderson and Neesham in the same XI. Seems if anything Anderson is becoming more the ODI specialist and Neesham the test specialist.

 

[JJ]

Yeah I don't get the hate on Guptill. Averages 37 at a strike rate of 80, and a genuinely world class fielder. His List A performances are always very fine as well. The options behind him just aren't there in the opening bat position.

Another bloke I feel who has never really got the opportunity his first class performances suggest he should have, and also presents a part time bowling option like Grant Elliott, is Colin Munro. Those that are living in NZ, what are the major detractions for Munro that would stop him from being picked? Is he a flat track pie basher only? His record is very, very good in all forms of the game.

Munro is decent, wouldn't want him to bowl much - there was so much chatter about Elliott, because he's been decent in the domestic comp, but Nathan McCullum has been good, got a century the other day - Neesham, Munro, Brownlie, Devcich and several others would have been better imo - Elliott just isn't terribly good...

Yeah, Guptill is a terrible test bat - but very good white ball bat, and as good in the field as anyone in the world.

I love our attack, I love our fielding, I am just worried about #5....

 

[African Monkey]

Yeah I don't get the hate on Guptill. Averages 37 at a strike rate of 80, and a genuinely world class fielder. His List A performances are always very fine as well. The options behind him just aren't there in the opening bat position.

Another bloke I feel who has never really got the opportunity his first class performances suggest he should have, and also presents a part time bowling option like Grant Elliott, is Colin Munro. Those that are living in NZ, what are the major detractions for Munro that would stop him from being picked? Is he a flat track pie basher only? His record is very, very good in all forms of the game.

Yeah Munro pretty much is. He certainly takes full advantage of the very flat Eden Park no.2 which flatters his statistics. He's very much a block bash type player and would have to be a candidate for one of our worst test players.

 

[shiznit]

Am I wrong in thinking Elliot has a good track record in limited overs tournaments??

Didn't he come up big in the last World Cup or something?? Or was that the Chapel-Hadlee series already mentioned...

 

[JJ]

averaged 30 in the Champions Trophy in 9/10. His best series was the Chappell Hadlee in 08/09 when he got his ton and 1 of his 6 50s....

He's just bog average, and 35,been out of the side for so long and done bugger all when he's played so I struggle to see a rationale

 

[shiznit]

averaged 30 in the Champions Trophy in 9/10. His best series was the Chappell Hadlee in 08/09 when he got his ton and 1 of his 6 50s....

He's just bog average, and 35,been out of the side for so long and done bugger all when he's played so I struggle to see a rationale

Ohh yeah... Champions trophy... He won us a quarterfinal or something...

 

[Meth]

Williamson out

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-sri-lanka-2014-15/content/current/story/819979.html

Taylor to 3?

 

[Meth]

My angst with Guptill largely stems from Test cricket, admittedly. And He is definitely a word class fielder. Still, he tends to fail in about 80% of his ODI innings.

 

[JJ]

My angst with Guptill largely stems from Test cricket, admittedly. And He is definitely a word class fielder. Still, he tends to fail in about 80% of his ODI innings.

That's the worry with he and McCullum opening for me, they can both win us matches, can both get us off to a fast start, and can both go early...

Huge amount depends on Williamson and Taylor - the latter hasn't filled me with confidence at home this summer

 

[JJ]

second ODI today - Williamson out, and perhaps Elliott too (Southee and Mills remain unavailable). Latham to bat 3, and perhaps both spinners play with Anderson to 5 and Ronchi to 6 - keen to see that lineup actually, given I see little value in Elliott...

Occurred to me this morning, if they wanted an old bastard that can bat and contribute with the ball, why not Jimmy Franklin?

 

[JJ]

McCullum a bit sluggish today, 100* from 88 balls... NZ 138/2 off 26.5

 

[vvvrulz]

New Zealand 176/4 (35.2 ov)

McCullum went nuts but its otherwise pretty damn ordinary out there.
Taylor is really in grind mode but you never know when he'll flick the switch.

Starting to think the persistence with Latham needs to stop now, Guptill also.

Agree on Franklin, I always feel like he didn't achieve to his potential. Probably too late now.

 

[vvvrulz]

Elliott copping a lot of hate, but remember that he is seriously unorthodox in his approach.

His dismissal looked terrible but his batting strategy is all about playing it late and deft cuts, don't want to see his 'comeback' based on that one innings. Scratchy starter too but good when he gets going.

 

[vvvrulz]

Taylor gone, another dumb run out.

Now they're struggling and lucky McCullum played that innings.

 

[vvvrulz]

And another run out, going full genius here.

 

[JJ]

yep, full genius - 213/8mfour run outs