Stalled and stagnant Sydney clubs

[cumbrian Mackem]

It doesn't help that our media and universities are full of wankers who denigrate the game and its followers at every opportunity.

All that is true but we don’t exactly help ourselves do we.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

All that is true but we don’t exactly help ourselves do we.

We are too insular and don't reach out to new audiences.

PVL is the most proactive leader we've had in some time. I hope he sticks around and puts a team in Perth. If he does then the game will be in a much stronger position.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

We are too insular and don't reach out to new audiences.

PVL is the most proactive leader we've had in some time. I hope he sticks around and puts a team in Perth. If he does then the game will be in a much stronger position.

Unless in the highly unlikely event of a sydney team relocating or merging then the 18th NRL place must either go to Perth or NZ2 over another Brisbane/Queensland team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Unless in the highly unlikely event of a sydney team relocating or merging then the 18th NRL place must either go to Perth or NZ2 over another Brisbane/Queensland team.

I'd like to see a 2nd and 3rd NZ team at some stage. New Zealand is an important market.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

I'd like to see a 2nd and 3rd NZ team at some stage. New Zealand is an important market.

Since the warriors joined the winfield cup 27 years ago the number of kiwis playing in the NRL is rising year on year to the point where NRL clubs are seriously targeting NZ rugby Union schoolboy talent alongside kiwi league schoolboys and you can only see this widening even more in the future.

Christchurch would be my #1 pick for NZ2 followed by Wellington for NZ3 if it was ever to happen.

 

[The_Frog]

1000% Opinion, not proven fact

Contrary evidence is that the game went from a peak of 20 clubs in 1998 to a low of 15 clubs in 2004-2006 yet the overall tv audience and tv value has kept growing, and the game had a higher total crowd attendance in 2004 than in 1998 or 2019 when there were more clubs. Go figure.

2000 and 2001 there were 14 teams. That was the optimum number identified immediately following the end of the war.

 

[Perth Red]

2000 and 2001 there were 14 teams. That was the optimum number identified immediately following the end of the war.

14 had been the recognised optimum number for many years, ARL was keen to get it to that number back in the 80’s. I suppose difference is the money in the game now which means they can afford more clubs plus wider player development pools.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Since the warriors joined the winfield cup 27 years ago the number of kiwis playing in the NRL is rising year on year to the point where NRL clubs are seriously targeting NZ rugby Union schoolboy talent alongside kiwi league schoolboys and you can only see this widening even more in the future.

Christchurch would be my #1 pick for NZ2 followed by Wellington for NZ3 if it was ever to happen.

There teams in NZ would cement RL as the second biggest sport in NZ and narrow the gap between it and onionball.

 

[Perth Red]

There teams in NZ would cement RL as the second biggest sport in NZ and narrow the gap between it and onionball.

Bigger than netball? Think it would take a lot more than extra nrl clubs lol.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Bigger than netball? Think it would take a lot more than extra nrl clubs lol.

Netball is a female sport. Boys and men couldn't give a shit about it.

 

[Perth Red]

Netball is a female sport. Boys and men couldn't give a shit about it.

You might want to qualify your statement then and not be generic about being the second biggest “sport” in NZ!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You might want to qualify your statement then and not be generic about being the second biggest “sport” in NZ!

Men, women, boys and girls watch mens sport because it helps determine who has the fittest genes for reproduction and who is best equipped to defend the tribe during war. Women and girls want to see who is the biggest, baddest, bravest, smartest, tallest, strongest, toughest and most capable "warrior" as that's what they want in a man to pass down to their children. It's why footballers who go into a nightclub are hugely successful among fertile young women.

Us men don't care about how tough, tall, strong or brave a woman is because those traits in a woman don't benefit us in any way. Seeing a big, tall, powerful woman running around like a man turns most men off because it goes against what men are designed to do, which is procreate with a fertile woman who will bear their children and successfully raise them to adulthood. Take a masculine female athlete into a nightclub and she won't experience the same degree of success as a feminine looking woman who likes knitting and cooking. It's for this reason NRLW will never be as big as the NRL. Women's soccer in England and the WNBA don't make money.

 

[Perth Red]

Men, women, boys and girls watch mens sport because it helps determine who has the fittest genes for reproduction and who is best equipped to defend the tribe during war. Women and girls want to see who is the biggest, baddest, bravest, smartest, tallest, strongest, toughest and most capable "warrior" as that's what they want in a man to pass down to their children. It's why footballers who go into a nightclub are hugely successful among fertile young women.

Us men don't care about how tough, tall, strong or brave a woman is because those traits in a woman don't benefit us in any way. Seeing a big, tall, powerful woman running around like a man turns most men off because it goes against what men are designed to do, which is procreate with a fertile woman who will bear their children and successfully raise them to adulthood. Take a masculine female athlete into a nightclub and she won't experience the same degree of success as a feminine looking woman who likes knitting and cooking. It's for this reason NRLW will never be as big as the NRL. Women's soccer in England and the WNBA don't make money.

Haha, the 1970’s called and wants their neanderthal back.
audience isnt the only measure of a sports popularity, participation is arguably a equal if not better measure as it requires effort, netball has it all over rl in nz and always will.

 

[Iamback]

1000% Opinion, not proven fact

Contrary evidence is that the game went from a peak of 20 clubs in 1998 to a low of 15 clubs in 2004-2006 yet the overall tv audience and tv value has kept growing, and the game had a higher total crowd attendance in 2004 than in 1998 or 2019 when there were more clubs. Go figure.

Friday night.

5 city metro 319k. Sydney was 208k

Brisb had no team playing therefore didn't watch

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Haha, the 1970’s called and wants their neanderthal back.
audience isnt the only measure of a sports popularity, participation is arguably a equal if not better measure as it requires effort, netball has it all over rl in nz and always will.

You cannot shame men and women into watching women's sport. No matter how much promotion it gets, the fact remains that the best athletes are men because it requires masculine traits such as strength, agility, power, speed, spatial awareness, and aggression, which are linked to testosterone. A 15 year old boy has this over a full grown woman due to testosterone. It's why an U15 boys' team from Newcastle thumped the Australian women's national soccer team 7-0. That Australian women's national team was the fourth best team on the FIFA Women's soccer rankings. A high school boys' team beat the American women's field hockey team. A German tennis player ranked about 200 in the world beat Serena and Venus Williams in an exhibition match at the 1998 Australian Open. He even had a smoke during the game. Venus was ranked in the top 20s at the time and the German bloke was in his 30s. It is what it is.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Friday night.

5 city metro 319k. Sydney was 208k

Brisb had no team playing therefore didn't watch

Correct. I was working on my car until 3am that night. Started working on it midway through the first half of the Panthers vs Rabbitohs game because I was bored.

 

[Iamback]

Correct. I was working on my car until 3am that night. Started working on it midway through the first half of the Panthers vs Rabbitohs game because I was bored.

And if the Cows played?

You watch the game?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

And if the Cows played?

You watch the game?

Yes. If Broncos or Titans play I also watch it.

Ideally, we'd have two games on at 7.30pm each Friday. One featuring a Queensland team and the other a Sydney derby. Screen the Sydney vs Sydney game into NSW and the Queensland game into Queensland on Ch9. Foxtel gets both games. If we had a third Brisbane team then we could have a Queensland vs Queensland game and a Sydney vs Sydney game every Friday night.

 

[siv]

1000% Opinion, not proven fact

Contrary evidence is that the game went from a peak of 20 clubs in 1998 to a low of 15 clubs in 2004-2006 yet the overall tv audience and tv value has kept growing, and the game had a higher total crowd attendance in 2004 than in 1998 or 2019 when there were more clubs. Go figure.

Peak was not in 1998 due to SL war and its aftermath

RL TV audiance were limited to a few games

The initial PAY-TV rollout isnt really RL audience growth metric as we never had all games on TV prior to this

 

[siv]

14 had been the recognised optimum number for many years, ARL was keen to get it to that number back in the 80’s. I suppose difference is the money in the game now which means they can afford more clubs plus wider player development pools.

12 was the number

14 was decided to allow 13 home and away rounds ie 26 rounds only