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Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

Aragorn

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Nah if he cuts his hair his ears will be revealed to the world and then we'll have two more Death Stars to deal with.

You've got me curious about his ears now.

Maybe he should grow a beard then. Either way, the less I see of that long face the better.
 

RoosTah

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You've got me curious about his ears now.

Maybe he should grow a beard then. Either way, the less I see of that long face the better.

Consider your curiosity quenched:
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It's little wonder that got him to grow such long locks, because those things could pick up AM Radio...
 

Parra Pride

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ok, so he cant just blindly kill villagers but seem to have no problem killing his fellow troopers?

That doesn't make any f**king sense.

I agree with Ren - TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a massive difference between all villagers at the start who pose no threat at all to him and his then fellow troopers, and the storm troopers who happily kill any innocent bystander they are ordered too.
 

sandshark

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Anybody see some of the visual art book of TFA?
Anakin/Vader was pitched for TFA but it looks like it was knocked back.
Would post a pic if I knew how.

*double post
 

hineyrulz

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Finally got around to seeing his last night, i must say i enjoyed it without it being as good as i would of hoped. I really enjoyed the new characters especially Rey and Finn. Interested to see who Rey's parents were and by she was left on Jakku. I also liked the fact they Kylo Ren is the unfinished product and has massive character flaws.

The plot was the same as a New hope and was pretty simple, well after all it is a kids movie that adults can watch. I think it has been set up for the next two which if done right will we far superior in every way.
 

Timbo

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I have an insanely wierd theory about Star Wars - Finn is Lando's son. That's why Lando doesn't appear. And that's the family connection.

Drinking at Christmas FTW.
 

Aragorn

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I have an insanely wierd theory about Star Wars - Finn is Lando's son. That's why Lando doesn't appear. And that's the family connection.

Drinking at Christmas FTW.

Lando doesn't appear because he's Finn's son? Please explain. And tell us why you think he's Lando's son - and don't say it's because he's black.
 

Storm13

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To bad some of these important pieces from the novelisation didn't make it into the final cut.
 

azzah72

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Just saw it then, I had to wait for a friend to finishing watching them as he'd never seen them before. Amazingly I didn't get spoiled anything. Though I got told someone big was dying.

Really enjoyed it even if it was similar to A New Hope. I thought StarKiller base was more intimidating then the Death Star, you got a more personal look on the damage being done rather then just seeing the planet blow up. Also I liked Kylo Ren but the actor doesn't suit him really, I think he could be a prequel Anakin but done much better.

Also had a really left of field thought after it. Rey being Luke's daughter would be really obvious but what if she's a Kenobi? It probably doesn't make sense but it'd be badass.

Han dying was shit man, it was pretty obvious it was coming but didn't hurt any less.

I thought the same thing, It would mean she would be a grand daughter of Ben somehow but I think that would be a cool explanation of how she picked it up so fast. Her lineage
 

Aragorn

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I thought the same thing, It would mean she would be a grand daughter of Ben somehow but I think that would be a cool explanation of how she picked it up so fast. Her lineage

I wouldn't like the idea of Ben having an illegitimate child and no one knowing about it (ie audience) until now. When we found old Ben back in new hope, he was a hermit living by himself, so it doesn't come across very well if somewhere in the galaxy was his illegitimate offspring that none of us knew about.

And I just think its easier for kids to understand that Rey is a Skywalker. They will love that idea without a second thought on whether it was predictable or not.
 

Walt Flanigan

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Yeah Obi Wan fathering children would be a bit far fetched. He's as strict as Jedi's get.

Don't know if it's possible he had siblings with nieces and nephews though.
 

Last Week

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Or, a crazy left field idea, she could be her own character and not piggy back on the back of other characters fame.

She's a cool character on her own. I hope she is looked as just Rey. Not the daughter of Luke Skywalker or who ever.

I want the series to move on from the past, which while great, new characters should be looking to make their own legacy.
 

Aragorn

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Or, a crazy left field idea, she could be her own character and not piggy back on the back of other characters fame.

She's a cool character on her own. I hope she is looked as just Rey. Not the daughter of Luke Skywalker or who ever.

I want the series to move on from the past, which while great, new characters should be looking to make their own legacy.


Not impossible but I find it highly unlikely. This entire series has been about the Skywalker family. From Anakin, to Luke, and now to what I would logically assume would be Rey.

In the movie, Maz explained to Rey about the Light Saber - telling her " the light saber was Luke Skywalkers, and his father before him and now its calling to you....take it, its yours" .... mate, if that's not a giveaway, I don't know what is.
 

elyod138

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Just got back, loved it.

The nuance in the acting of The Force Awakens blows away every other Star Wars movie IMO.

I don't understand the Kylo Ren hate. He's easily the most nuanced villain of all the movies IMO and Adam Driver is a great actor, I can't wait to see how the character develops. People talking about recasting him obviously haven't seen him in much, as the character grows he will shine, fingers crossed they give him some good material. He was a little petulant because that is exactly how he was written, Driver has played a lot of dominant masculine characters and he's great at it. He's one of the best actors in the cast. The Force Awakens was Kylo Ren's coming of age story, he will be much more formidable now he has completely embraced the dark side.

Luke at the end was some of the best work Hamill has done in the series and he didn't even have a line, he's a much better actor these days.
 

RoosTah

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Just got back, loved it.

The nuance in the acting of The Force Awakens blows away every other Star Wars movie IMO.

I don't understand the Kylo Ren hate. He's easily the most nuanced villain of all the movies IMO and Adam Driver is a great actor, I can't wait to see how the character develops. People talking about recasting him obviously haven't seen him in much, as the character grows he will shine, fingers crossed they give him some good material. He was a little petulant because that is exactly how he was written, Driver has played a lot of dominant masculine characters and he's great at it. He's one of the best actors in the cast. The Force Awakens was Kylo Ren's coming of age story, he will be much more formidable now he has completely embraced the dark side.

I really don't get this notion that he's "nuanced" ... he's as nuanced as your average school shooter, which is what I get the impression his character is based on. I've never seen Driver in any other role, so I don't know what kind of actor he is, but his performance didn't really do much for me, and he just looked completely wrong in the role for mine in this and so as a villain I just found him so boring and annoying and apparently so did plenty of other people.

I think the problem partly lies in him being such a young privileged white kid with a princess mother and hero dad... just kinda makes him more of a dick with an inferiority complex than anything genuinely menacing. He's too young to have really been through much, and his major gripe is his dad was a "disappointment" FFS. Then, to cap off his sandy-vag attempt at villainy he gets his arse handed to him by some chick who has no training in the force TWICE and carries on like a total little bitch both times, so for me I find the notion anyone finds him either interesting, "nuanced" or intimidating kinda weird. He's a cliched troubled upper-middle class teen that doesn't know how good they have it; utterly predictable, shallow and moronic in the extreme.

It's funny, but I also am often very critical of the MCU for having very dull and uninteresting villains too, but I've been watching Daredevil the TV series lately, and I've got to say that if you want an example of a genuinely interesting and layered villain, Fisk is a genuinely worthy example. In him you have someone who comes with a genuine struggle in him and who makes you even feel a little ambivalent about the notion he could get taken down. Unlike Ren, he also comes from a place that makes his ruthlessness and drive almost reasonable.
 
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elyod138

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I really don't get this notion that he's "nuanced" ... he's as nuanced as your average school shooter, which is what I get the impression his character is based on. I've never seen Driver in any other role, so I don't know what kind of actor he is, but his performance didn't really do much for me, and he just looked completely wrong in the role for mine in this and so as a villain I just found him so boring and annoying and apparently so did plenty of other people.

I think the problem partly lies in him being such a young privileged white kid with a princess mother and hero dad... just kinda makes him more of a dick with an inferiority complex than anything genuinely menacing. He's too young to have really been through much, and his major gripe is his dad was a "disappointment" FFS. Then, to cap off his sandy-vag attempt at villainy he gets his arse handed to him by some chick who has no training in the force TWICE and carries on like a total little bitch both times, so for me I find the notion anyone finds him either interesting, "nuanced" or intimidating kinda weird. He's a cliched troubled upper-middle class teen that doesn't know how good they have it; utterly predictable, shallow and moronic in the extreme.

It's funny, but I also am often very critical of the MCU for having very dull and uninteresting villains too, but I've been watching Daredevil the TV series lately, and I've got to say that if you want an example of a genuinely interesting and layered villain, Fisk is a genuinely worthy example. In him you have someone who comes with a genuine struggle in him and who makes you even feel a little ambivalent about the notion he could get taken down. Unlike Ren, he also comes from a place that makes his ruthlessness and drive almost reasonable.

Very little of what you said is in the movie, you're reading into it based on how he looks and who his parents are.

We barely know anything about his back story yet other than he trained with Luke and went on a massacre.
 
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RoosTah

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Very little of what you said is in the movie, you're reading into it based on how he looks and who his parents are.

We barely know anything about his back story yet other than he trained with Luke and went on a massacre.

What we know is that his parents are both alive, that he was training to be a Jedi, and that he some how ended up murdering his fellow students because he started worshipping an old mask of Vaders so he could finish what Vader started (so.... Bring back padme?).

His motives are extremely weak and we get no sense he has suffered loss of any magnitude to just him turning into a genocidal nut bag, so to me he doesn't really qualify as terribly nuanced based on what we know and what has been hinted at.

To be honest, the more I thought about his character after the movie, the more I just felt disappointed and almost annoyed... The guy feels like he could have been in f**king Twilight he's so badly written.
 

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