Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens

[McNulty]

Haven't read this thread and haven't read this elsewhere. Just got back from watching it a second time. Both times I felt that Luke Skywalkers secret jedi temple in an "uncharted system" is earth.

Any takers to that theory?

 

[strong_latte]

Haven't read this thread and haven't read this elsewhere. Just got back from watching it a second time. Both times I felt that Luke Skywalkers secret jedi temple in an "uncharted system" is earth.

Any takers to that theory?

Well half the thread is really just a debate on whether Ren is a loser or a scary villain lol.

As for the theory, nah, doesn't really make much sense to add an earth element to a series based "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away"

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Haven't read this thread and haven't read this elsewhere. Just got back from watching it a second time. Both times I felt that Luke Skywalkers secret jedi temple in an "uncharted system" is earth.

Any takers to that theory?

"A long time ago in a galaxy far far away"

Nah

 

[Chicken_Hunter]

Yes but it could be a galaxy far far away from a galaxy that isn't the Milky Way.

 

[McNulty]

Yeah, they had seagulls in this strange new land

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Finally got around to seeing the movie today. Thought it was awesome.

Had no problem with Ren TBH. Despite being the main antagonist of the film I never really felt like he was a focal point compared to the establishment of the new rebels so his minimal character development really didn't bother me at all.

Clearly the back story of what happened centres around Snoke/Ren/Luke and with Luke being absent for 99.9% of the film it would have been a detriment to the pacing of the film to delve into that side of things in great detail when none of it would become relavent until the next film.

What we know about Ren is that he was Han/Leia's kid, trained by Luke, turned by Snoke, and felt he had to kill Han to extinguish the light side of the force inside him. For this film that's really all that was needed to be established.

Having said that I will be disappointed if there isn't a drastic transformation in the coming films as a result of the choice he's made in this one.

 

[strong_latte]

Finally got around to seeing the movie today. Thought it was awesome.

Had no problem with Ren TBH. Despite being the main antagonist of the film I never really felt like he was a focal point compared to the establishment of the new rebels so his minimal character development really didn't bother me at all.

Clearly the back story of what happened centres around Snoke/Ren/Luke and with Luke being absent for 99.9% of the film it would have been a detriment to the pacing of the film to delve into that side of things in great detail when none of it would become relavent until the next film.

What we know about Ren is that he was Han/Leia's kid, trained by Luke, turned by Snoke, and felt he had to kill Han to extinguish the light side of the force inside him. For this film that's really all that was needed to be established.

Having said that I will be disappointed if there isn't a drastic transformation in the coming films as a result of the choice he's made in this one.

Think it's too late for them to arrange a drastic change of his face :lol: ? Would be nice if maybe they could make him a little less Emo all round really.

 

[elyod138]

Snoke was the disappointing villain IMO, the Emperor is way better.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Think it's too late for them to arrange a drastic change of his face :lol: ? Would be nice if maybe they could make him a little less Emo all round really.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the look either TBH. Vader had a reason for wearing a mask, Ren doesn't. At the moment I'm looking at Ren as a work in progress throughout the series rather than the finished badass that vader was from minute 1.

Was hoping he was going to get a bit mangled in that final confrontation, but instead he just got a little love scar on his right cheek. :lol: Hardly stuff of legend.

If I wanted I'm sure I could nitpick the shit out of this movie because there are some serious questions/coincidences/gaps in logic etc, but overall it was fun and enjoyable.

Oh, except WTF was the deal with 3PO's arm? It was red, then right at the end it was back to gold. I imagine some sort of explanation will come, but at this point - WTF?

 

[strong_latte]

Snoke was the disappointing villain IMO, the Emperor is way better.

Snoke really was pretty lame too... But mostly because he was a big CG thing and had a generic bad guy voice

 

[Danish]

Palpating is an archetypal "absolute" villain, in that he's effectively painted as evil incarnate. Everything about him screams death and decay. He's not a real person, he's like Superman; an unrealistic ideal of an extreme. In that sense he doesn't need a motivation any more than his simple lust for power.

The reason people are annoyed with Darth Emo in this movie is because they've attempted to make him a real person with real motivations, but the type of person they've created comes across more as just a bundle of Young Adult novel coming of age archetype nonsense.

I read somewhere else that Abrams may have been trying to create a character that is loosely based on young assholes who go and join ISIS, and if that's the case I kinda get it. All the same I wish he'd have gone down a more interesting path with a villain that had genuine depth.

I agree about Palpatine, and don't expect him to have any great motivation outside of just being pure evil wanting to rule the Galaxy. He is essentially the living devil.

I just don't get why Kylo isn't allowed to be tempted by the dark side simply because the dark side is damned tempting. His parents didn't need to be terrible to him, he didn't need to suffer horrible sadness. Just a punk kid who got into some bad shit and went with it big time.

The ISIS angle is pretty interesting, although IMO is probably overthinking it IMO. To me he is just a bad dude who craves power and wants to live up to what he sees as his grandfather's legacy

 

[strong_latte]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the look either TBH. Vader had a reason for wearing a mask, Ren doesn't. At the moment I'm looking at Ren as a work in progress throughout the series rather than the finished badass that vader was from minute 1.

Was hoping he was going to get a bit mangled in that final confrontation, but instead he just got a little love scar on his right cheek. :lol: Hardly stuff of legend.

If I wanted I'm sure I could nitpick the shit out of this movie because there are some serious questions/coincidences/gaps in logic etc, but overall it was fun and enjoyable.

Oh, except WTF was the deal with 3PO's arm? It was red, then right at the end it was back to gold. I imagine some sort of explanation will come, but at this point - WTF?

I had a great time watching the movie too, but I love nitpicking the details on stuff like this. Like how Star Killer base remained a secret from the Republic when in the first act we see a storm trooper defect - surely more have, what with all the genocide etc that tends to make the odd well adjusted one a little uncomfortable about their cult.

As for C3PO's arm - I reckon it was red for that one joke and then they just pretended like it never happened.

 

[McNulty]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the look either TBH. Vader had a reason for wearing a mask, Ren doesn't. At the moment I'm looking at Ren as a work in progress throughout the series rather than the finished badass that vader was from minute 1.

Was hoping he was going to get a bit mangled in that final confrontation, but instead he just got a little love scar on his right cheek. :lol: Hardly stuff of legend.

If I wanted I'm sure I could nitpick the shit out of this movie because there are some serious questions/coincidences/gaps in logic etc, but overall it was fun and enjoyable.

Oh, except WTF was the deal with 3PO's arm? It was red, then right at the end it was back to gold. I imagine some sort of explanation will come, but at this point - WTF?

He's trying to live up to Vader. They developed that well actually. Solo before his death tells ren to take it off as he doesn't need it.

Not sure what everyone is expecting. Ren as revealed in this movie has not yet completed his training so he is fast from the finished product.

As for snoke... We haven't seen much of him at all.

As for c3pos arm,that does seem pretty apps .but he also does say that he's going to very it fixed. So I don't think that requires any more of an explanation.

 

[McNulty]

I had a great time watching the movie too, but I love nitpicking the details on stuff like this. Like how Star Killer base remained a secret from the Republic when in the first act we see a storm trooper defect - surely more have, what with all the genocide etc that tends to make the odd well adjusted one a little uncomfortable about their cult.

As for C3PO's arm - I reckon it was red for that one joke and then they just pretended like it never happened.

The stormtrooper defected because he is force sensitive. Reason why the conditioning didn't take

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

I had a great time watching the movie too, but I love nitpicking the details on stuff like this. Like how Star Killer base remained a secret from the Republic when in the first act we see a storm trooper defect - surely more have, what with all the genocide etc that tends to make the odd well adjusted one a little uncomfortable about their cult.

As for C3PO's arm - I reckon it was red for that one joke and then they just pretended like it never happened.

I love to nitpick too, but I generally don't start that until a few days after I've seen a film.

I'll never understand how these evil people manage to keep their monstrous weapons of destruction a secret until they start actually using them to destroy things.

 

[strong_latte]

The stormtrooper defected because he is force sensitive. Reason why the conditioning didn't take

Sooooo... You're saying in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions that helped build a giant cannon into a planet not a single other storm trooper was force sensitive?

 

[strong_latte]

He's trying to live up to Vader. They developed that well actually. Solo before his death tells ren to take it off as he doesn't need it.

Not sure what everyone is expecting. Ren as revealed in this movie has not yet completed his training so he is fast from the finished product.

As for snoke... We haven't seen much of him at all.

As for c3pos arm,that does seem pretty apps .but he also does say that he's going to very it fixed. So I don't think that requires any more of an explanation.

I'm not sure I was expecting either... I guess I just didn't count on the bad guy being Darth Emo :lol:

 

[Last Week]

This is interesting. From the official Star Wars website

THE FIRST ORDER
The New Republic’s rise reduced the once-mighty Empire to a rump state hemmed in by strict disarmament treaties and punishing reparations. But in the galaxy’s Unknown Regions, former Imperial officers, nobles and technologists plotted a return to power, building fleets and armies in secret. This movement became the First Order, ruled by Supreme Leader Snoke, and is now ready to reclaim the Imperial legacy.

THE NEW REPUBLIC
The Rebel Alliance became the New Republic after its victory over the Empire at the Battle of Endor. Eager to win over the war-weary citizens of the galaxy, the New Republic revived the Senate, signed a peace treaty – the Galactic Concordance – with the Empire’s remnants, and drastically reduced its military capabilities. That policy aroused the ire of rebel hero Leia Organa, who warned that elements of the Empire were still seeking power. Sidelined from the political process, Organa founded the Resistance to oppose the Empire’s successor state, the mysterious First Order.

THE RESISTANCE
A small, secretive private military force, the Resistance was founded by rebel hero Leia Organa to monitor the actions of the First Order. Most New Republic power brokers tolerate the Resistance while regarding Organa and her fighters as dead-enders with an unfortunate fixation on the past. Organa’s cash-strapped movement relies on credits, ships and equipment quietly funneled to it from the few senators who share her concerns.

So it's as some think. The New Republic is up and running. The First Order are remnants of the Empire, who want things to go back to the way they were. The New Republic don't consider them a threat. But Leia does and thus organised the Resistance.

Fair enough. I understand that now. But I wish they weren't called the Resistance. They're not really resisting anything still. They're repelling the Empire if anything. They're the Repels.

Personally, I hope that the First Order have a significant military waiting and can challenge the New Republic. I hope Snoke has has a bunch of Force trained warriors (Knights perhaps?) and Luke has his own Jedi Knights trained, of which Rey is now one, that were being trained in secret.

 

[Danish]

Sooooo... You're saying in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions that helped build a giant cannon into a planet not a single other storm trooper was force sensitive?

Hey highlighted in the movie that other storm troopers who showed similar signs as Finn were committed to reconditioning. Finn was earmarked for this as well, but managed to escape before that happened. I imagine if they come across a soldier who doesn't take to their brainwashing after enough attempts they would just kill them. None of them even have names so they are obviously very expendable.

Force sensitive or not if he hadn't have lucked into having a resistance pilot on board to fly him out of there during a very risky escape attempt Finn would have been dead.

 

[Gina Minehart]

Watched it last night. A couple of things:

- so obvious that hans was going to die. FMD...it was so obvious that I thought a WWE writer was involved
- continuing on the wrestling theme, is it possible that Luke turns heal? Would make for an interesting plot twist, could always turn face again in IX
- I like the idea of Luke being on earth. That'd be cool

Great movie overall, loved it. By no stretch am I a Star Wars fan boy but I loved it