Steelers owe St George $8.29 million

[Biglance]

im sick of this bickering between fans cause we are a merger get on with life and forget

 

[Buzz Boy]

Just thought I should point out that R2K sent out a statement saying...

Retraction - Editorial Issue

R2K would like to offer a correction on an article that was sent to
the R2K Yahoo list on 1/3/04 -Steelers owe St.George $8.29 million.

The article should have stated that Illawarra were facing financial
issues at the end of the 1998 season, rather than stating that
Illawarra was 'reportedly bankrupt'. While some individuals may had
alleged this in the past, the claim is without foundation.

So you might like to make a slight alteration to your article so it's 'correct'. ;-)

Cheers,

Buzz

 

[Simon]

All this crap is just going to cause arguments between supporters, management, etc. If the leagues club lent money, then they lent money, they know what they're doing. And to say that both clubs haven't brought things to the venture is crap. I was a Dragons fan and now I am a St George Illawarra Dragons fan. The St George side of the venture may put the majority of the finances into the football club, but the Illawarra side of the venture offer more juniors and a great local competition where young talent can be scouted and helped progress through the ranks. The merger has happened so everyone just support the side and don't even talk about things that could provide rifts between St George and Illawarra.

 

[Criswell]

How long will it be till the Saints want their premierships back on the books and turf the Steelers?

These mergers were a disaster.

 

[Anonymous]

A continuation of the history doesnt have to mean turfing the Steelers' contribution.
The Dragons club has already said that the next premiership will be #16. Its just a matter of getting the NRL to ratify it.

 

[Buzz Boy]

Simon, I'm in total agreeance with you.

I was a St George fan but now whole-heartedly support thr JV because they are my team. St George would have been fully aware of the financial situation of the Steelers before entering into any agreement.

The Illawarra has long been one of the richest sources of junior talent in rugby league and there is atleast one club I know of who are feeling terribly blocked in right now and regretting not coming to the table when the Steelers were willing to talk.

The JV was never going to make everyone happy... but fortunately for each year that passes, another group of youngsters are coming through as ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA fans and the old partisan fans who bag our club will become even more of a minority.

I get as upset as anyone at the performances of the Dragons. But blaming the JV for that is completely wrong. Strangely enough, the old die-hard St George fans (God bless them) want to point the finger at Barrett instead of where the true problem lies... the coach.

The club should never have put Browny in this situation so soon, it was unfair to him. I know he's doing his best, but you can't afford to have an NRL coach learning the job at the top level. Sorry Browny.

Up the Mighty Dragons!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Simon, I'm in total agreeance with you.

I was a St George fan but now whole-heartedly support thr JV because they are my team. St George would have been fully aware of the financial situation of the Steelers before entering into any agreement.

The Illawarra has long been one of the richest sources of junior talent in rugby league and there is atleast one club I know of who are feeling terribly blocked in right now and regretting not coming to the table when the Steelers were willing to talk.

The JV was never going to make everyone happy... but fortunately for each year that passes, another group of youngsters are coming through as ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA fans and the old partisan fans who bag our club will become even more of a minority.

I get as upset as anyone at the performances of the Dragons. But blaming the JV for that is completely wrong. Strangely enough, the old die-hard St George fans (God bless them) want to point the finger at Barrett instead of where the true problem lies... the coach.

The club should never have put Browny in this situation so soon, it was unfair to him. I know he's doing his best, but you can't afford to have an NRL coach learning the job at the top level. Sorry Browny.

Up the Mighty Dragons!!!

Is it just me, or is there a paragraph in there which sounded strangely divisive.. or a tad condescending? At the very least, a generalisation.

 

[Buzz Boy]

Take your pick... or don't.

 

[Follow Me Up To Carlton]

I was a St George fan but now whole-heartedly support thr JV because they are my team.

Why on earth would you switch clubs? :?

The Illawarra has long been one of the richest sources of junior talent in rugby league

Ahh yes, the Rugby League El Dorado. Do you know what happened to the explorers who went in search of for the riches of that mythical city Buzz? They got lost and died.

and there is atleast one club I know of who are feeling terribly blocked in right now and regretting not coming to the table when the Steelers were willing to talk.

That's pure conjecture.

The JV was never going to make everyone happy... but fortunately for each year that passes, another group of youngsters are coming through as ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA fans and the old partisan fans who bag our club will become even more of a minority.

I started supporting St George because I grew up in Turrella. Likewise most Illawarra fans supported the Steelers because they where their local club. I think in the future kids in both regions will grow up wondering why they should support a club that plays half its games (or more) in another city and will either be less passionate about their 'local' club or just end up supporting another side all together.

I think the future will herald a great fall in the number of St George Illawarra supporters leading to a great decline in the presence of the club on the Rugby League scene and eventually leaving it in a Wests Tigers like position.

With any luck the club will fold leaving St George and Illawarra fans to support their repective clubs in whatever competition they end up in. And the merger fans can again effortlessly make the switch to another NRL club.

Everyone's a winner.

I get as upset as anyone at the performances of the Dragons. But blaming the JV for that is completely wrong.

Yes, how ridicules to blame the club for five years of pure mediocrity. Who would you blame Buzz? The old partisans?

 

[Buzz Boy]

Nice to see you too Denis!

I was a St George fan but now whole-heartedly support thr JV because they are my team.

Why on earth would you switch clubs? :?

Who said anything about switching clubs?

The Illawarra has long been one of the richest sources of junior talent in rugby league

Ahh yes, the Rugby League El Dorado. Do you know what happened to the explorers who went in search of for the riches of that mythical city Buzz? They got lost and died.

What the f*ck are you on? El Dorado was a myth... are you saying that the juniors that have come from the Illawarra are a myth? Surely you're not that blinded by rage that anything other than Kogarah born is a myth.

and there is atleast one club I know of who are feeling terribly blocked in right now and regretting not coming to the table when the Steelers were willing to talk.

That's pure conjecture.

You'd know, you've been living on conjecture for how many years now?

The JV was never going to make everyone happy... but fortunately for each year that passes, another group of youngsters are coming through as ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA fans and the old partisan fans who bag our club will become even more of a minority.

I started supporting St George because I grew up in Turrella. Likewise most Illawarra fans supported the Steelers because they where their local club. I think in the future kids in both regions will grow up wondering why they should support a club that plays half its games (or more) in another city and will either be less passionate about their 'local' club or just end up supporting another side all together.

I think the future will herald a great fall in the number of St George Illawarra supporters leading to a great decline in the presence of the club on the Rugby League scene and eventually leaving it in a Wests Tigers like position.

With any luck the club will fold leaving St George and Illawarra fans to support their repective clubs in whatever competition they end up in. And the merger fans can again effortlessly make the switch to another NRL club.

Everyone's a winner.

You must be ever so proud... stick your head back in the sand, it's warmer there.

I get as upset as anyone at the performances of the Dragons. But blaming the JV for that is completely wrong.

Yes, how ridicules to blame the club for five years of pure mediocrity. Who would you blame Buzz? The old partisans?

Atleast quote me in context, so people can see the answer to the question before you ask it. :roll:

Here is what I said... I'll highlight the answer to your question in red to make it easy for you to see...

I get as upset as anyone at the performances of the Dragons. But blaming the JV for that is completely wrong. Strangely enough, the old die-hard St George fans (God bless them) want to point the finger at Barrett instead of where the true problem lies... the coach.

The club should never have put Browny in this situation so soon, it was unfair to him. I know he's doing his best, but you can't afford to have an NRL coach learning the job at the top level. Sorry Browny.

And it also goes for Brown's predecessor Andrew Farrar, who you were quick to bag, yet our current coach has had an equal share of failure but seems to be the golden child.

:?



I just want what every other Dragons fan wants... a team that goes out onto the field and puts in 100% each and every game.

It's too late to argue further, keep smiling all!

 

[Follow Me Up To Carlton]

Nice to see you too Denis!

Absence makes the heart grow fond.

Who said anything about switching clubs?

The old amnesia playing up again is it?

"I was a St George fan but now whole-heartedly support thr JV because they are my team."

Sound familiar?

What the f*ck are you on? El Dorado was a myth... are you saying that the juniors that have come from the Illawarra are a myth? Surely you're not that blinded by rage that anything other than Kogarah born is a myth.

After 22 years of the Steelers and five years of the JV I don't think I'm stepping out of line when I ask just what these juniors have done for any one. Do they really exist? Where are these South coast supermen coming fore to carry us to glory?

We where doing fine playing wise before the merger.

You'd know, you've been living on conjecture for how many years now?

My point stands. And even if your allegation was true how would Cronulla feeling sore be any justification for our entering the JV?

I just want what every other Dragons fan wants... a team that goes out onto the field and puts in 100% each and every game.

Hmm okay. I thought you wanted the South Coast juniors and the extra fans? Surely if you just wanted a team that put in 100% every match you would have been happy supporting St George?

 

[Follow Me Up To Carlton]

You must be ever so proud... stick your head back in the sand, it's warmer there.

That's funny coming from you John.

I mean you where the one that banned me from your little sand pit for disagreeing with you.

 

[Southernsaint]

And it also goes for Brown's predecessor Andrew Farrar, who you were quick to bag, yet our current coach has had an equal share of failure but seems to be the golden child.

:?

Buzz,

I think you'll find that Brown has been getting heavily bagged - on the net, on the radio & at the matches. He has also had less time at the helm than the Easter Egg. Either the results will come or his head will roll...

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[drake]

Good to see Denis single minded in his drive to see the Demise of the Dragons.
I'm sure that I will be told that the Dragons are a brand, but, correct me if I'm wrong, the St George RLFC was nicknamed the Dragons a long time ago, as an abbreviation of the Dragon Slayers. And the name is why I went for them as a young boy.
I live in the Illawarra, (grew up in Sydney), and most of the people I know down here have always followed teams other than the Steelers. Parra, Souths, Roosters, very few followed the Steelers. But you cannot deny the wealth of players that have come from BOTH regions. Anyone who discounts a country area as a source of great league players has a hand stuck on it.
Denis you are the avatar of stasis. You deny and resist change with blind denial.
I pity the poor f*ck stuck in the past just because they were the good old days.

 

[Follow Me Up To Carlton]

Good to see Denis single minded in his drive to see the Demise of the Dragons

This is an unfair debate if one side is setting the rules – I accept my 'guilt' for wanting to see the end of the merger and Saints go it alone if you accept yours for supporting the relegation of St George from the 1st grade competition.

Deal or no deal?

Denis you are the avatar of stasis. You deny and resist change with blind denial.

I'm all for change. Dosent mean I want to see my club floundering in the reggies. #-o

 

[drake]

Fair enough, as I stated in the other post I unfairly went at you, I'm fed up of being harrassed at games by drunken morons who hate the merger. If you hate the merger and don't follow "the Dragons", leave after reggies when St George stand alone version are finished. Why waste your time watching Thommo, Gaz, Ting, and a bunch of Illawarrans play.

A Parramatta supporter here at work was looking over my shoulder yesterday when I was reading this thread said to me "You old Saints fans are funny. You pay out the Illawarrans, but name me one St George local juniour that's done well these last few years, especially done better than the Illawarra boys." I said "Thommo," to which he nodded. Then I said "Gaz," too which he laughed and said "if that blokes surname was anything else, he'd be in reserves." And walked off.
Problem was, I couldn't think of a decent comeback.
Can you?

 

[Southernsaint]

Fair enough, as I stated in the other post I unfairly went at you, I'm fed up of being harrassed at games by drunken morons who hate the merger. If you hate the merger and don't follow "the Dragons", leave after reggies when St George stand alone version are finished. Why waste your time watching Thommo, Gaz, Ting, and a bunch of Illawarrans play.

A Parramatta supporter here at work was looking over my shoulder yesterday when I was reading this thread said to me "You old Saints fans are funny. You pay out the Illawarrans, but name me one St George local juniour that's done well these last few years, especially done better than the Illawarra boys." I said "Thommo," to which he nodded. Then I said "Gaz," too which he laughed and said "if that blokes surname was anything else, he'd be in reserves." And walked off.
Problem was, I couldn't think of a decent comeback.
Can you?

The whole "juniors" argument is a moot point. Even if the Illawarra had no NRL representation, the juniors from there would still be playing NRL football - some possibly for St George. Wagga & the Riverina are a great junior nursery but they don't have an NRL team - it doesn't stop them from producing world class players though, does it?? Illawarra had their fabled juniors for about 17 years & couldn't make a Grand Final & possibly their best local junior plays for Easts anyway.

Your Parramatta "friend" is a poor judge if he thinks Gasnier is Premier League standard. You could always have said: "We'll swap him for Adam Dykes".

By the way, the Reggies are a merged entity as well...

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[drake]

Then if we weren't merged, we'd be the Roosters mark II, IE 3 local juniours, and 21 bought and 'developed' players?

 

[Southernsaint]

Then if we weren't merged, we'd be the Roosters mark II, IE 3 local juniours, and 21 bought and 'developed' players?

You do know that they've won the comp in the last 25 years??

I'm not saying Juniors aren't important, I'm just saying that they're not the be-all & end-all of running a successful football club.

Cheers,
Ben S.

 

[drake]

I agree and therein lies the secret of my acceptance of the JV, first rights to a RL heartland, and the name, logo and drive of one of the most successful clubs in RL history.
By the way, I know reserve grade is St george Illawarra, I was replying to D's reference.
Sg ball is still St George Dragons though.