Sydney relocations

[taipan]

Not bad for a small regional city on a Monday night.

600,000 is small regional.:sarcasm: Newcastle must be a beachside hamlet.

 

[Perth Red]

tbh im disappointed with most of our expansion teams

for some of them, the impact of the super league war has seen a massive loss of fans

the raiders used to do 20k, now its more like 11k

the broncos have dropped 30% and weve lost the crushers too

as ive said before more recently the cowboys and titans have seen 50% drop off with no sign of them returning.

the warriors and knights are the only ones who have been consistant in terms of non sydney teams.

sydney clubs are the ones whose crowds on the whole are growing. some might fluctuate in a bad year but around a good average.

sydney clubs arent whats letting the game down at all.

Do you just pluck figures out of the air?

 

[georgesnmith]

Do you just pluck figures out of the air?

nah

 

[Perth Red]

Me thinks you do!

 

[georgesnmith]

Me thinks you do!

still think sydney teams should be relocated despite :

1. they have higher than average crowds
2. they generate 60% of the TV ratings, and 80% of the metro TV ratings?

 

[Perth Red]

Yep

 

[georgesnmith]

Yep

:lol:

 

[The Great Dane]

still think sydney teams should be relocated despite :

1. they have higher than average crowds
2. they generate 60% of the TV ratings, and 80% of the metro TV ratings?

1. Sydney crowds should be at least double what they are now given the geography of the clubs to each other.

2. Well if their were a slight majority of teams outside of Sydney maybe that majority would draw the slightly better ratings.

 

[Perth Red]

He is plucking figures again Dane. Majority don't have higher than avg crowds and they don't account for 80% of TV audience for most games.

 

[The Great Dane]

He is plucking figures again Dane. Majority don't have higher than avg crowds and they don't account for 80% of TV audience for most games.

I know, but my point is that even if they did it could easily be explained by having the majority of teams.

Having 60% of the TV ratings and 60% of attendees isn't very impressive when you have 60% of the clubs.

 

[georgesnmith]

1. Sydney crowds should be at least double what they are now given the geography of the clubs to each other.

2. Well if their were a slight majority of teams outside of Sydney maybe that majority would draw the slightly better ratings.

given sydney crowds are higher what rational argument is there to reduce the number of sydney clubs?

given sydney generates the bulk of TV viewers what rational argument is there to reduce sydney clubs?

sounds like stupidity to me.

 

[georgesnmith]

He is plucking figures again Dane. Majority don't have higher than avg crowds and they don't account for 80% of TV audience for most games.

ive worked out the average crowds across sydney clubs

sorry if the facts dont fit your ignorant notions.

as ive said before when it comes to crowds the problem really isnt sydney clubs.

 

[georgesnmith]

Can anyone come up with a logical reason why you would want to reduce the number of sydney clubs when they average more than the non sydney clubs, and generate the bulk of TV ratings?

seriously are you people interested in seeing the game growing or just jealous that league is so succesful in sydney and want to take it back a peg?

 

[MARSHALL ZHUKOV]

2018 would be ideal to bring in 2 new teams - second brisbane team and 1 team out of Perth/Central Queensland/Wellington(NZ).This will mean 2 groups of 9 teams- (1 Sydney Based and 1 Non Sydney Based). it will mean 25 rounds - each team play teams in their group twice(16 games) and teams in the other group once (9 games) for the 25 rounds- Finals series will be 10 teams

 

[oikee]

Can anyone come up with a logical reason why you would want to reduce the number of sydney clubs when they average more than the non sydney clubs, and generate the bulk of TV ratings?

seriously are you people interested in seeing the game growing or just jealous that league is so succesful in sydney and want to take it back a peg?

So we can grow the game outside of Sydney, having nine clubs in Sydney is madness.
We have NZ to worry about as well you know. We dont have teams in big cities like Perth and Adelaide and our heartland city Brisbane only has one team to cover every two weeks a game in Brisbane, only a dumbarse backward code operates the way this Sydney comp does, is why we are getting our head kicked in by the AFL.
They woke up to the fact that to plug a market, you need a game in that city every week, not two weeks.
Look, we either go backwards to nsw cup and qld cup, or we move forward and grow.
Cut and unite Sydney or shut the game down.
We can no longer fight a battle that we are losing in every state.
Grow or die.

 

[byrner]

So we can grow the game outside of Sydney, having nine clubs in Sydney is madness.
We have NZ to worry about as well you know. We dont have teams in big cities like Perth and Adelaide and our heartland city Brisbane only has one team to cover every two weeks a game in Brisbane, only a dumbarse backward code operates the way this Sydney comp does, is why we are getting our head kicked in by the AFL.
They woke up to the fact that to plug a market, you need a game in that city every week, not two weeks.
Look, we either go backwards to nsw cup and qld cup, or we move forward and grow.
Cut and unite Sydney or shut the game down.
We can no longer fight a battle that we are losing in every state.
Grow or die.

So in order to grow you advocate getting rid of teams? How is that growth?

 

[BuffaloRules]

We can no longer fight a battle that we are losing in every state.
Grow or die.

Who is winning the battle?

Apathy?

What's their TV deal worth?

 

[oikee]

So in order to grow you advocate getting rid of teams? How is that growth?

Lets say you dropped the sharks back to NSW cup, they then become a feeder club as every club in both nsw and qld cups have a NRL club to feed.

The Sharkies stay alive and then we introduce lets say Brisbane two and Perth.

Perth will open up a new market, bring in juniors, sponsors, fans and over time a whole new TV revenue.
Brisbane will bring in another game in Brisbane each week, double crowds, have a massive Derby unlike anything Sydney can seem to produce lately grow crowds for other teams like Cows and titans by introducing more Queensland derbies, release the stronghold and waiting list of sponsors, grow juniors and shore up the Brisbane market.

Brisbane needs 3 teams. Wellington or auckland two need a team. The same effect will happen in NZ as will happen in Brisbane, it will create a whole new market for the code, and timeslots and close the market gap of only playing once a fortnight in our heartlands.

I am no businessman but that is bread and butter expansion right their, even a blind freddie on a deserted island could see the dollars and growth outside Sydney.

The AFL have already made the move to two teams in every city, and are collaring the market as the NRL dithers, dallies and acts like a amateur as ussual.
A team in Perth, shore up our heartlands and collar the market.
It is simple math.
I mean fair dinkum, the Sharkies cant even find a sponsor, these new expansion clubs have got billionaire companies lined up waiting, waiting for someone, anyone with half a nuccklehead peanut for a brain to grow and reap the rewards.

 

[Perth Red]

Can anyone come up with a logical reason why you would want to reduce the number of sydney clubs when they average more than the non sydney clubs, and generate the bulk of TV ratings?

seriously are you people interested in seeing the game growing or just jealous that league is so succesful in sydney and want to take it back a peg?

Read the article I've just posted with Grant saying there is unlikely to be any expansion due to the state of current clubs. Most of those in a state are the Sydney clubs. That's why the game cannot grow with the situation as it is.

 

[The Great Dane]

Can anyone come up with a logical reason why you would want to reduce the number of sydney clubs when they average more than the non sydney clubs, and generate the bulk of TV ratings?

seriously are you people interested in seeing the game growing or just jealous that league is so succesful in sydney and want to take it back a peg?

Yeah I can come up with one.

Because even if we do lose fans in Sydney by cutting their clubs (which isn't necessarily true if we do it properly) we know that we can more then replace them in other areas!

We know for a fact that the Sydney market is over crowded so remove some of those teams and place two new teams in Perth and Brisbane.

Yeah a we'll probably lose a generation or two of the cut teams fans, but we'll more then cover our losses with new fans from Brisbane and Perth and if we play our cards right we'll still get future generations of the areas that's teams were cut.

If we move the Sharks for example and replace them with a new Brisbane team, it's not unrealistic to say that we are losing 15k of active fans and replacing them with 25-30k new ones. That's not a losing 15k fans, that's gaining 10-15k fans!

So average attendance numbers in fact wouldn't go down but up, and ratings in fact wouldn't go down but up!

Removing two clubs from Sydney would also have added benefits for the other clubs in Sydney (more sponsorship money to go around, more room for clubs to expand to, etc) which would make them more sustainable in the long term.

Put basically in the long term we'd be trading 9 weak clubs in Sydney for a strong club each in Brisbane and Perth and 7 clubs in Sydney that are stronger then they were before.