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T-Rex facing 7-10 week suspension

DJShaksta

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6 weeks would be more than sufficient.
I'm more frustrated at the fact the no balls ref didn't march him last night.
 

Nice Beaver

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He may not have been pushing an agenda but he may have wanted to keep in the good books with Tony, the Sharks are supposed to be making a play for him.

Really???? Jesus, that's just what they need - another backrower!!:crazy:

They need to worry about centres not bloody backrowers......
 

Once Dead

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Williams' tackle was the closest thing to a modified overhead German suplex!

The move in the video is less vicious than what happened on the field!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu9Cc-9tApE

Williams really should have been sent for an early shower. You can talk intent all you like but it was just plain dangerous.
 

Sea_Eagles_Rock

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There is no way there 3x the danger difference between Farah and TRex. Farah should have got more... I'm ok with TRex coping it for that, it was wet and he shouldn't have been lifting. Even if his hands were not between the legs in a typical driving tackle like Farah.

If I was in the Manly management team, I would accept the early guilty plea, but dispute the grading. It always gets down-graded in these situations. TRex needs to stop being so lazy and bend his back down to the player like he was at the end of last season. He was smashing anything that moved, and legally.
 

shiznit

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the loading was fair enough IMO...

he knocks YowYeh senseless in the semi last season... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws2zHOKmgUs

pleaded guilty and got to play in a Grand Final...

Manly accepted the charge so he could play on Grand Final Day... they cant go around complaining about the loading now...
 

wibble

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The problem with send offs is they often wreck a game as a spectacle, but the player is seen in the cold light of day to not have really done anything worse than 10 others that week.

The Douglas send off vs Manly was a classic example (though the game wasn't "wrecked": the Sharks still outplayed Manly with 12 and were unlucky with further calls to not win).

That tackle from Williams was one of the most reckless you will see, and was dangerous. But it wasn't intentional. So the referees are not keen to send off in those situations, and when they have they have usually been criticized. No send off is usually a safer decision for them.

The issue we all recognize when our team is on the receiving end of a play like this, is that the caution about send offs doesn't help your team. In fact, by weakening an opponent it can help other teams and if the team is good and the player is good (like Manly and Williams) then that in fact weakens your team position relative to other teams (like in this case for the Sharks- a weaker Manly for a few weeks is probably bad for the Sharks).

I think a dangerous play sin bin needs to be introduced, even if it is only 5 minutes, and the video referee can spend that time deciding if the player should come back into the game. If not, the player can be replaced after the sin binning but can not themselves play again that game.

Referees can still send a player off to not be replaced for intentional, dangerous foul play so that players have some protection, particularly in sudden death matches. Players in Origin matches and finals otherwise seem to be at greater risk of foul play as not as much seems to be done about it in those matches (because the referees really don't want to wreck those games as spectacles).

On the T Rex tackle, I reckon grade 4, about 4 weeks was right, but the loading has taken this to ott levels. The problem is that loading is a % when it should just be a set amount extra on offenses- otherwise loading is not that much for subsequent small offenses and can account for many weeks for worse offenses. I don't think a 1 week border line head high shot (like Pritchards' for example) should cost you 3 - 4 weeks extra when you commit a higher grade foul- that should be judged on its own merits. Give loading, but make it commensurate with the foul play done to get the loading, not with the later foul play (i.e. Grade 1 gets 50 points loading, Grade 2 gets 100 points etc or some such).
 
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Nice Beaver

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On the T Rex tackle, I reckon grade 4, about 4 weeks was right, but the loading has taken this to ott levels. The problem is that loading is a % when it should just be a set amount extra on offenses- otherwise loading is not that much for subsequent small offenses and can account for many weeks for worse offenses. I don't think a 1 week border line head high shot (like Pritchards' for example) should cost you 3 - 4 weeks extra when you commit a higher grade foul- that should be judged on its own merits. Give loading, but make it commensurate with the foul play done to get the loading, not with the later foul play (i.e. Grade 1 gets 50 points loading, Grade 2 gets 100 points etc or some such).

Agree with this 100%. The loading system is f*cked. Always has been.
 

Lambretta

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There were two things that went wrong with the tackle

When De Gois hit the ground Williams was no longer even touching him. The throw was so hard it flung De Gois round in a circle and Williams couldn't keep hold.

The second thing that went wrong was that it was wet. Had it been a dry track, Williams may have actually been able to control the spinning De Gois, although that is debatable.

Lifting and throwing like that is dangerous as De Gois could have done some real damage. However I can't believe the severity of the charge. Williams did not drive De Gois into the ground, rather it seems he didn't even realise his own strength when he started the lift and De Gois flung round and he lost control.

Dumb as f**k. Yes. Malicious? No.

I think he will take the seven weeks personally, but it will suck arse if he does.
 

Sea_Eagles_Rock

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Even without loading and an early guilty plea, that charge is 5.5 weeks. Not 4, Wibble. Yes the loading system is stuffed, but I can see this charge getting a down-grade as nobody seems to get anything like 5 weeks flat. Even with a down-grade, he still looking at 5 weeks.

It will all come down to the wording on the definition of a dangerous throw. I can't be stuffed to look it up to figure out if he has grounds to dispute. Frankly he should plead guilty even if he disputes the grade. It was a dumb tackle and he he needs a rest for it. I say that as one of his biggest fans too. I love the new T-Rex.
 
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adamkungl

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So it's 4 weeks without loading? Compeltely justified. Was very dangerous, not intentional sure but most dangerous tackles aren't. Sheer luck prevented DeGois from landing on his head or neck.

edit: 5? I dunno, 4-6 seems apt
 
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Reminds me of a few years back when Fa'asavalu did the exact same thing to Roy Asotasi, unfortunately the blind commentators didn't see or replay it, but it made me chuckle.

Anyway, 7 weeks for Williams I think is fair. If it was a week or 2 longer I wouldn't be too bothered, and I have him in my fantasy team too. What he did just isn't on, it's far too dangerous.

It's one thing for players to accidentally get hit in the face and be concussed, it's something completely different where a player is an inch away from life-destroying spinal injuries.

Feel sorry for Manly fans because obviously he didn't mean to do it, but it was just too reckless.
 

Nice Beaver

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The gutless refs should have sent him off.
If it is worth 7 - 10 weeks

Not worth 7-10 weeks (and that seems to be the consensus).

Still should have been sent though. If It was the other way around (a Sharks player doing it to a Manly player not De Gois on Williams :lol:) I'd be filthy that he wasn't sent.
 

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