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Tail Gate Parties....how come we don't do them in Australia?

Ron Jeremy

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Ron, I'm going over next November and will be in New York with Sydraider as a combined 40th.

Might have to work something out.

Just on the College game. I'm watching Oregon and USC on ESPN at the moment and that leaves the NRL for dead.

Super League tried to adopst aspects of the NFL back in 1997 back League fans weren't ready for that type of change. I think we are now but the NRL is still very much mired in the past and is hardly progressive IMO. Look at the NRL website for starters. It's a joke! The club websites are pathetic IMO and offer nothing of value to the supporters.

The NRL is still very much amateur hour.

So Syd is going too? that ould be amazing, Syd's a Raiders man though isn't he?

That Oregon game was a classic, it f**ked my multi but didn't care, the way they came back was amazing, and i love atching James play.

Exactly, you go on the NRL website and you have vossy :lol: you go the NFL network you have true athletes like Deion Sanders, Faulk etc the layout, the drive by drive simulations r sensational, and virtually live. The Parramatta website is so embarrasing it isn't funny, Parra TV was good, something every NFL club has, but i believe it was shafted due to cost cutting, unbelievable.
 

Von

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I find it funny that so many on this forum bag out Americans as "Seppo's" and that they (apparently) lack intelligence etc... to me it just shows an inferiority complex. It's probably time to get over yourselves. Von made a suggestion after seeing what another culture does at their (very successful) sporting events, it sounds great for them. Something similar is done at the grand final outside of the Novotel in a designated fenced off area. I was there this year and opposition fans mixed in good spirits. The whole carpark free for all probably won't work in our culture for many reasons but anyone trying to develop a sense of community and comradeship should be applauded.

Keep the ideas coming buddy.

Thanks Scarves.

As the saying goes, "A positive something is better than a negative nothing."
 
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Are you serious?

Yes.

Our crowds are average

Maybe. But the vast majority of sports would kill for NRL crowds. That's even more true when you look at the turn out relative to population size.

we have an incompetent administration

Which sport doesn't? :lol:

15 of 16 teams are running at a loss

So? What do you expect, Rugby League is a tiny sport. Plenty of admired competitions, at the height of domestic sport, have ample teams running at a loss.

There is very little parochialism among clubs and that is only just starting to increase.

Again, completely natural.

We are yet to be recognised as a national competition

So?

do not have a national presence

So?

have ex players running clubs into the ground.

Debatable.

Our players are massively underpaid and only for the Crowes, Politis' and Tinklers bailing out destitute clubs, we'd have to rely on pokie revenue to make ends meet.

So?

The current premiers play out of a cow paddock as we set no minimum criteria for the quality of grounds our players use.

All the best grounds in the NRL are small "cow paddocks". Nothing more embarrassing than teams who play in massive empty stadiums because deluded nuffies like you think an extra thousand through the gate is more important than the image of the game.

If you think the NRL is a world class competition, then you are easily pleased.

The NRL is the most competitive professional team sporting competition on the face of the Earth. But I didn't say it was a "world class competition", what I said is that most sports would love to be in our position, and the NRL is not a sporting backwater that is 100 years behind the rest of the world.

The only thing world class about our game is Origin. The rest is horse shit wrapped up as chocolates!

You're riding on the coat tails of f**king lunacy!

Name me 5 competitions in the world that aren't soccer, exist in a country with a population similar to Australia and embarrass the NRL. Name me 5.

Can you? No.

What you find is that the only competitions that make NRL look bad are either soccer(the biggest sport on earth) or competitions in countries with huge populations.

The AFL is the only sport to legitimately make the NRL look poorly run. But the AFL is an exception and punches ferociously above it's weight.

Now you can quite rightly say that if the AFL can do it then so can we. Everyone knows the NRL has potential beyond the position it's in now. You can give a long f**king list of things in the NRL that could be changed for the better, and you've already hit the tip of the iceberg. What you can't say though is that the NRL is 100 years behind the rest of the sporting world because you're ignoring the vast majority of sporting competitions, the vast majority of the sporting world, that would kill to be in the position of the NRL! There's thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of sporting competitions in the world and the NRL is comfortably in the top 50, potentially higher depending on which criteria you choose to look at. If you look at the attendance criteria the NRL does very well compared to the vast f**king majority of the sporting world, extraordinary well considering the population size of Australia.

Rugby League is a tiny sport and the NRL exists in a tiny country. Relative to sports of similar size in similar small nations, the NRL is extremely successful and very progressive. If you want to see backwards sporting competitions living in the past you only have to look at any number of soccer or rugby competitions in the world.

The problem is you seem to think competitions like the NFL and AFL are normal, the reality is they're exceptional in the sporting world. There might be a big f**king gap between the top sporting competitions in the world and the NRL, but there's an even bigger gap between the NRL and most of the sporting world.
 

legend

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You've set a very narrow criteria to compare to and IMO, it's not relevant to compare the Lacrosse League to the NRL. If that helps you sleep at night, then good luck to you.

Fact is, by your above post, you are prepared to accept second best and mediocrity seems to sit well with you.

I expect more from the people who run our game but am never surprised by the ongoing incompetence displayed year in, year out.
 
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I'm not prepared to accept second best, at all. What i'm not prepared to do is accept second best as being last, or trailing behind the sporting world.

If you can't critic the NRL without being disingenuous and painting it as some sort of sporting laughing stock then that's your problem.
 

Perth Red

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NRl is 20th in terms of attendances (if you belive Wiki). With good management, decent funding, some new ideas and energy we could easily be pushing into 11th place. Will take alot for us to get any higher though.

Soccer dominates as you would expect, Am football has two leagues and both are in top 10, Baseball makes an appearance and the anomily of AFL is right up there. Would love to know the secret to AFL's success in getting people to games? WCEagles have a 7 year waiting list for a full membership!
 

docbrown

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The NRL as a competition is definitely capable of achieving a 20,000 average within the next 5 years.
 

Mr Blonde

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NRl is 20th in terms of attendances (if you belive Wiki). Would love to know the secret to AFL's success in getting people to games? WCEagles have a 7 year waiting list for a full membership!

I have an uncle that's an AFL tragic. He reckons it's a matter of when actually watching the AFL at the stadium, you're able to see a lot more when it comes to directing players, getting into position etc.Things are going on, on the opposite end of the field, to what's being played on TV. Also because they get a better crowd, the atmosphere becomes a lot better & people continue to prefer being there.

Watching NRL on TV you often get better angles & can see more of what's going on than watching it live, so there's not as big of a benefit going to the games.
 

Von

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Agree Mr Blonde.

Also, the fact an AFL games for a longer period of time, makes it more appealing to go.

Sometimes I wish Rugby League went for longer. I'm sure the length of time has an impact.

p.s. That's why US tailgate parties are appealing...the game goes for 3 hours. Great if you can't get a icket to get inside, but you can watch it on the box outside with a beer & snag.
 
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NRl is 20th in terms of attendances (if you belive Wiki). With good management, decent funding, some new ideas and energy we could easily be pushing into 11th place. Will take alot for us to get any higher though.

Soccer dominates as you would expect, Am football has two leagues and both are in top 10, Baseball makes an appearance and the anomily of AFL is right up there. Would love to know the secret to AFL's success in getting people to games? WCEagles have a 7 year waiting list for a full membership!

Exactly right. But I think many Australian League fans way overestimate where the NRL should be.

The AFL doesn't just do well, the AFL, some way and some how are f**king exceptional. If you factor in population the AFL is the most successful sporting competition in the world. And I include football(American) and soccer.

The NRL should be much more popular because League is an awesome product, but I fancy many people underestimate Leagues position. You have to keep in mind that many competitions above NRL for attendance actually, on a per capita basis, fall behind.

Without question the NRL does exceptionally well, but it's still outside the top competitions.

'Legend' points out many problems in the game - and lets be honest, there's plenty of f**king problems - but I think at the same time we lose sight of reality. It's hard supporting the greatest game in the world because anyting other than outright dominance isn't enough.

The NRL must improve, because it can improve(greatly)... But at the same time we need to pay attention to geographical and political differences. The NRL will never make NFL or soccer money
 

Canard

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I find it funny that so many on this forum bag out Americans as "Seppo's" and that they (apparently) lack intelligence etc... to me it just shows an inferiority complex. It's probably time to get over yourselves. Von made a suggestion after seeing what another culture does at their (very successful) sporting events, it sounds great for them. Something similar is done at the grand final outside of the Novotel in a designated fenced off area. I was there this year and opposition fans mixed in good spirits. The whole carpark free for all probably won't work in our culture for many reasons but anyone trying to develop a sense of community and comradeship should be applauded.

Keep the ideas coming buddy.

Were you high when you typed this post or did you not read the thread?

Its like a love letter to Americans and the NFL, 99% of all post's are saying our amazing the NFL is and how crap the NRL is.

If anything this reveals a massive inferiority complex that a lot of Aussies have.

The NRL is the best club rugby competition in the world, bar none. There is nothing that even comes close.
 

Bgoodorgoodatit

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i realise this thread has disintergrated a bit however i had to upload these one from my last trip to the states.
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would be great if it could work in AUS but with the ground locations i imagine it would be impossible.

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legend

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Were you high when you typed this post or did you not read the thread?

Its like a love letter to Americans and the NFL, 99% of all post's are saying our amazing the NFL is and how crap the NRL is.

If anything this reveals a massive inferiority complex that a lot of Aussies have.

The NRL is the best club rugby competition in the world, bar none. There is nothing that even comes close.

I don't see it as an inferiority complex but something to aspire to and something to model our game on.

I think we can all acknowledge the NFL is the best run sporting competition in the world and there are a lot of things we can learn from them in how we run our game.

I know Wayne Bennett used to visit the Denver Broncos when he was at the Broncos and study Mike Shanahans methods. I'm sure other NRL coaches have done the same thing.
 

Hutty1986

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I don't see it as an inferiority complex but something to aspire to and something to model our game on.

I think we can all acknowledge the NFL is the best run sporting competition in the world and there are a lot of things we can learn from them in how we run our game.

I know Wayne Bennett used to visit the Denver Broncos when he was at the Broncos and study Mike Shanahans methods. I'm sure other NRL coaches have done the same thing.

I hear Bellamy used to visit NBA coaches & study their salary packages
 

Perth Red

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You'd think Cowboys would go for this, fans travelling hours to get there could set up mobile home in the car park and sleep over!
 

WireMan

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In America the games are played in massive stadiums outside of cities. There is nothing there but a stadium and a carpark.

In Aus the stadiums are around pubs/parks etc. so the need to sit in a carpark is not so great. Their are better things to do.
 
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Even a dopey pommy can understand it ffs

Why would I go to a home game at the SFS every second week and camp out in the car park all day/night in the middle of winter when I can grab a feed and some drink at one of the millions of fine establishments 5 minutes away in the city? It's not possible to do that on a Friday and on Saturday hitting up the rocks/the cross/Newtown is much better than drinking in a car park.

FFS sleep over night in the car park? Lol
 

St_Jubbsy

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Tailgating does not usually involve people sleeping overnight but it's right to say that most stadiums are in the middle of nowhere so fans can't just go to a local pub.
 

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