Team list Tuesday - Rd 25 v Storm - Top 4 cup

[strider]

Not just recently, in '94 Fittler won the Dally M for lock of the year , he was bookended by Dymock in 93 and 95, pretty different players.

It's probably the most varied role depending on the skillset you have and the game you wanna play. For us it's more a running role than a ball playing role, which just means our locks a little closer to being a third prop rather than the infamous middle half.

For sure ... Locks tended to be a tough merkin who can play a bit too ... Fitler, dymock, style players

But we went through a phase not long ago where the dude wearing 13 was just another bash it up the middle merkin ... Swinging back to someone tough with a bit of skill .... Dare we say, middle half

 

[eels_fan]

I think we’ll be 1-13

14. Niukore (who will switch with Matto before kick off as per last 2 weeks)
15. Kaufusi
16. Brown or Maka if brown is not 100%
17. Carty or Jake if Mitch is shaky

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Forget the terms Lock and Prop. You're showing how out of touch you are using that terminology Buzz. The days of Wayne Pearce and Ray Price are long gone...

And what's your point exactly citing the fact we tried to bring in a "prop" before 1August - that a bloke like Maka obviously ain't cutting it? I agree!!!

Your last point provides no insights or answers to my question so let's just call it quits there shall we...

Maybe you are out off touch…I think you may have a miss understanding of the role of lock and prop play in the modern game ….

Do some of the better “locks” in the game, Yeo, Smith, Radley, Murray…play like a prop ?

Additionally do you think other “locks” like Hastings, Innes, Brown (tigers this week), Hodgson (last year), Walker, Watson…etc etc etc are playing like a traditional prop?

The lock and role prop role is different for most sides, a lot of locks couldn’t play the prop role while a lot props don’t have the skills to play lock …..

 

[Incorrect]

Maybe you are out off touch…I think you may have a miss understanding of the role of lock and prop play in the modern game ….

Do some of the better “locks” in the game, Yeo, Smith, Radley, Murray…play like a prop ?

Additionally do you think other “locks” like Hastings, Innes, Brown (tigers this week), Hodgson (last year), Walker, Watson…etc etc etc are playing like a traditional prop?

The lock and role prop role is different for most sides, a lot of locks couldn’t play the prop role while a lot props don’t have the skills to play lock …..

Let's cut to the chase - you're in the Gronk/BA/Lock and Prop camp, I'm in the opposing/correct/handsome/middles are middles camp.... And never the twain shall meet....

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Let's cut to the chase - you're in the Gronk/BA/Lock and Prop camp, I'm in the opposing/correct/handsome/middles are middles camp.... And never the twain shall meet....

That’s fair enough…but I just named 10 or so “locks” who aren’t props…but play in the middle…and you are claiming lock / prop are no different in todays game…

So simple question do those 10 or so “middles” play like “props” such as JWH, RCG, LC, Lodge, Hass etc etc ? Yes or No ?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Not just recently, in '94 Fittler won the Dally M for lock of the year , he was bookended by Dymock in 93 and 95, pretty different players.

It's probably the most varied role depending on the skillset you have and the game you wanna play. For us it's more a running role than a ball playing role, which just means our locks a little closer to being a third prop rather than the infamous middle half.

Na, our lock always ball plays. They just don’t always wear the 13….

last night Paulo was the starting lock and was passing heaps…Nrown was always ready to set up a sweep play….Matterson also does too,..

We definitely don’t use a running lock, we always have one middle playing the role…and “setting” up…

 

[Incorrect]

That’s fair enough…but I just named 10 or so “locks” who aren’t props…but play in the middle…and you are claiming lock / prop are no different in todays game…

So simple question do those 10 or so “middles” play like “props” such as JWH, RCG, LC, Lodge, Hass etc etc ? Yes or No ?

I think the more pertinent question is, given the slant you're putting on it, given the style of play Parra employ and have done for the past 4 years or so, is our "13" likely to be a bloke that plays like (Mc)Innes, Hastings, Brown, Walker and Watson (and I think you've drawn some pretty long bows there tbh when you include Hastings, Brown and Watson whoever he is).... Or someone like Jake T, Taumololo or Tino (i.e a PROPer middle forward)???

The answer is obvious and Nrown easily fulfils the latter and was an Origin rep doing it. Maka is flat out performing at satisfactory NRL levels for 10+ minutes and maintaining our momentum IMO which is a big problem when you're calling on your bench....

 

[Bandwagon]

That’s fair enough…but I just named 10 or so “locks” who aren’t props…but play in the middle…and you are claiming lock / prop are no different in todays game…

So simple question do those 10 or so “middles” play like “props” such as JWH, RCG, LC, Lodge, Hass etc etc ? Yes or No ?

I agree completely there are differences, most of the time.

But the question isn't really about whether a middle is a middle is a middle, it's about Nrown, and how he plays his role, and whether "moving" from lock to prop demands he change his game all that much, and whether that represents a risk of playing a bloke in a position he's unaccustomed to, and I'd argue it wouldn't, because you wouldn't need him to change his game all that much, and the ball playing he does have would add another potential point to our attack.

What the likes of Murray or whoever bring to the game and the way they are used is immaterial to all that.

 

[eels_fan]

So our path is now locked

Win - 4th and play Penrith
Lose - 6th and play loser of Roosters v Rabbits

 

[Bandwagon]

Na, our lock always ball plays. They just don’t always wear the 13….

last night Paulo was the starting lock and was passing heaps…Nrown was always ready to set up a sweep play….Matterson also does too,..

We definitely don’t use a running lock, we always have one middle playing the role…and “setting” up…

So Paulo ( our prop ) can play as our lock and ball play, but Nrown ( our lock ) can't play prop cause he's a lock and ball plays?

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I think the more pertinent question is, given the slant you're putting on it, given the style of play Parra employ and have done for the past 4 years or so, is our "13" likely to be a bloke that plays like (Mc)Innes, Hastings, Brown, Walker and Watson (and I think you've drawn some pretty long bows there tbh when you include Hastings, Brown and Watson whoever he is).... Or someone like Jake T, Taumololo or Tino (i.e a PROPer middle forward)???

The answer is obvious and Brown easily fulfils the latter and was an Origin rep doing it. Maka is flat out performing at satisfactory NRL levels for 10+ minutes and maintaining our momentum IMO which is a big problem when you're calling on your bench....

So you agree then, that your point here was out of touch:

Forget the terms Lock and Prop. You're showing how out of touch you are using that terminology Buzz. The days of Wayne Pearce and Ray Price are long gone...

And what's your point exactly citing the fact we tried to bring in a "prop" before 1August - that a bloke like Maka obviously ain't cutting it? I agree!!!

Your last point provides no insights or answers to my question so let's just call it quits there shall we...

And that the prop / lock role is very different team to team…..

anyhow nice change of subject to now move away from your out of touch comment to focus on the eels lock role….

 

[Incorrect]

So you agree then, that your point here was out of touch:

And that the prop / lock role is very different team to team…..

anyhow nice change of subject to now move away from your out of touch comment to focus on the eels lock role….

Well no... The terms Lock and Prop are redundant now. It was your man Gronk who piped up earlier asserting that Nrown could not play the middle forward role Makatoa does which is utter nonsense and which started this healthy debate....

 

[Joshuatheeel]

So Paulo ( our prop ) can play as our lock and ball play, but Nrown ( our lock ) can't play prop cause he's a lock and ball plays?

Paulo never takes the first hit, generally the second hit up when playing “prop”, however last night generally RCG / Marata took the middle hit ups first (not necessarily 1 or 2 tackle as backs can do it) to allow Paulo to either hit it up or “ball play” on the third or fourth which doesn’t happen on the 2nd or 1st, go back and watch it…

BTW - Paulo can play prop due to his size and lock due to his skill….

On the Nrown playing prop, he obviously can play prop, however when taking the first or second hit up due to his side/strength, he wouId probably get dominated in the ruck. His skill set, is using his “leg speed” on the third to get a quick play the ball, use his “ball skills” after two prop runs…plus his line speed is great …..

I reckon using him in the last 20 is the way to go at “lock” to go to add “energy” to the side, most finals will go to the last min…

I wouId have Nrown on the bench, but use a combination of Marata, Paulo (Matterson wouId play “lock”), papa and RCG as props….

 

[Bandwagon]

Paulo never takes the first hit, generally the second hit up when playing “prop”, however last night generally RCG / Marata took the middle hit ups first (not necessarily 1 or 2 tackle as backs can do it) to allow Paulo to either hit it up or “ball play” on the third or fourth which doesn’t happen on the 2nd or 1st, go back and watch it…

BTW - Paulo can play prop due to his size and lock due to his skill….

On the Nrown playing prop, he obviously can play prop, however when taking the first or second hit up due to his side/strength, he wouId probably get dominated in the ruck. His skill set, is using his “leg speed” on the third to get a quick play the ball, use his “ball skills” after two prop runs…plus his line speed is great …..

I reckon using him in the last 20 is the way to go at “lock” to go to add “energy” to the side, most finals will go to the last min…

I wouId have Nrown on the bench, but use a combination of Marata, Paulo (Matterson wouId play “lock”), papa and RCG as props….

So we've established that having played lock is not a hinderance to Nrown playing as a prop, it's more about how his game relates to that position and how it can be used in that position.

I'm glad we all agree.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

So we've established that having played lock is not a hinderance to Nrown playing as a prop, it's more about how his game relates to that position and how it can be used in that position.

I'm glad we all agree.

Paulo could play half back too….playing prop is no hinderance….Paulo can definitely pass and kick….oh yeah he can also tackle too

glad we all agree….

 

[Bandwagon]

Paulo could play half back too….playing prop is no hinderance….Paulo can definitely pass and kick….

glad we all agree….

He'd struggle with eighty minutes, and lacks a long kicking game, but silky hands yeah.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So Paulo ( our prop ) can play as our lock and ball play, but Nrown ( our lock ) can't play prop cause he's a lock and ball plays?

I think he's saying that Nrown can't play the 'first carry' role, running at a set defence, but then Paulo doesn't do it that much either. Usually it's just RCG, with Paulo playing more like Nrown/Matterson as a ball player. But if RCG doesn't bend the defence then Paulo is capable of taking that second run and bending the line. Nrown (and Matterson) can't.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

it’s interesting to see the assumption that a prop who can “ball play” is able to do it still on the first or second hit up….

rarely is there any “shape” pushing up on these hits…

generally “ball playing” only happens when there is “shape” thrown at the opposition……actually it also applies to the spine too unless it’s a quick play the ball…

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I think he's saying that Nrown can't play the 'first carry' role, running at a set defence, but then Paulo doesn't do it that much either. Usually it's just RCG, with Paulo playing more like Nrown/Matterson as a ball player. But if RCG doesn't bend the defence then Paulo is capable of taking that second run and bending the line. Nrown (and Matterson) can't.

Yep, that’s my point…..Paulo is a freak in attack, sadly needs to be cover defensively…

 

[strider]

I think he's saying that Nrown can't play the 'first carry' role, running at a set defence, but then Paulo doesn't do it that much either. Usually it's just RCG, with Paulo playing more like Nrown/Matterson as a ball player. But if RCG doesn't bend the defence then Paulo is capable of taking that second run and bending the line. Nrown (and Matterson) can't.

Nrown has run like a mad merkin off a drop out countless times over the years.

Isnt the entire discussion meant to be about whether Nrown can do what Maka does off the bench? ... which of course is 15 minutes of trundling slowly into the defense and getting tackled with little chance of an offload, then tackle well