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Harris out for the rest of the season after surgery on wrist
Just saw this. I feel this is actually a positive thing for 2 reasons.

1. He was playing pretty injured, Of all things I never thought it'll be the wrist to sideline him for 2024. Rest up.
2. We got Walker with better speed and other options to keep lock being effective.
 

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Just saw this. I feel this is actually a positive thing for 2 reasons.

1. He was playing pretty injured, Of all things I never thought it'll be the wrist to sideline him for 2024. Rest up.
2. We got Walker with better speed and other options to keep lock being effective.
Yep. Harris has been pretty busted all year, I think he’s played maybe one game off the bench where he actually looked fresh and energetic.
 

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There is an annoying lack of detail on this season ending injury. Scaphoid fracture??? tendon off the bone?
Hopefully the long rest recovers his whole body, finds him a skip in his step.
Does it really matter that much? The important fact is he injured his wrist and it required surgery and that puts him out for the season. The rest is just details for medical trainspotters really.
 
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Yep. Harris has been pretty busted all year, I think he’s played maybe one game off the bench where he actually looked fresh and energetic.
Yea I think I know which one you’re referring to… rd14 v Cows when he came with 7 other starters. I think he’d had a 3 week rest incl. the bye and came back really strong off the bench.

I actually think he’s been busted for the last couple of seasons. That Cows game showed he’s still got it, but this extended break will be good for both him and the club.
 

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Yep. Harris has been pretty busted all year, I think he’s played maybe one game off the bench where he actually looked fresh and energetic.
Yep, he's been average and has clearly not been able to take contact. Reality is he shouldn't have been playing injured.
 

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Yep, hindsight is a great thing but trying to carry Harris and SJ while not fit has clearly been the biggest problem for the team this season, followed by constant injury disruption to the rest of the team.
on the upside though I think most of our other fundamentals and team culture are sound- I think it’s probably just pushed a rebuilding phase on us a year or two before anticipated. Hopefully next year the injury gods are kinder and both SJ and Tohu can play lesser roles if they’re still around without the pressure of having the team riding on them.
 

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Mixed emotions. On one hand, it's pretty clear that both SJ and Tohu have been off this year and probably shouldn't have been playing injured. They're both also at a point in their careers where you couldn't confidently bet on them coming back strong. Them being out (even SJ being out for the rest of the season if necessary) probably makes little difference to us putting our best team out in 2024.

However, predictions of us continuing to be a top team in the early years of the "Up the Wahs era" were definitely at least partly based on these two guys continuing to be solid veteran players. In the short term, our squad is weakened relative to what we would've anticipated at the start of this year. I'm not saying it's an existential threat, but realistically our best-laid plans have gone sideways a bit.
 

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Mixed emotions. On one hand, it's pretty clear that both SJ and Tohu have been off this year and probably shouldn't have been playing injured. They're both also at a point in their careers where you couldn't confidently bet on them coming back strong. Them being out (even SJ being out for the rest of the season if necessary) probably makes little difference to us putting our best team out in 2024.

However, predictions of us continuing to be a top team in the early years of the "Up the Wahs era" were definitely at least partly based on these two guys continuing to be solid veteran players. In the short term, our squad is weakened relative to what we would've anticipated at the start of this year. I'm not saying it's an existential threat, but realistically our best-laid plans have gone sideways a bit.
That’s kind of what I mean by the rebuilding year happening early. We were heavily reliant on those two and at some point we were going to go through some adjustment pain of building a competitive team without them. I think most people expected that to happen in 2025-26, but as it turns out we’ve probably got more than half way through that process this year. It’s cost us in results this season but I think it puts us in a stronger position next year, and hasn’t been totally catastrophic.
 

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