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Telegraph: 8 Saints for Roo Squad

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Raiders Plight said:
8 players?? geesh i don't what the dragons have done to justify that sort of contingent. If they miss the GF you would have to say they are the most overrated team of the modern era.

Hardly.

They (according to the terrorgraph) are possible selections. A selector should consider what a player has done aside from how his club performs as a whole.

These 8 have played well throughout the year, and deserve consideration for the Kangaroo Tour. Not all of them would make the top 13, but they definitely have played well enough throughout the year to be in contention for the squad.

If they miss the GF, the side could be considered over-rated by some, but it doesn't mean they aren't a quality side (in the top 4 sides in the comp at worst).

The players themselves deserve to be recognized, but along with plenty of others at other clubs - and thats regardless of who they play for. For instance, you can't seriously knock back a player because there are plenty of his clubmates already selected. Each player should be judged on his merits. And they all have merit.
 

Misty Bee

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If 8 saints go, goodluck to them. Not withstanding it's the biggest ever representation from one club on a tour, nor is this the closest comp ever, nor has the GF teams even been mentioned.

Can someone tell me....

1) How Brett Hodgeson is a worse fullback than Hornby?
2) How Matt Bowen, Craig Wing, Preston Campbell and John Morris are worse utilities than Hornby?
3) How Dean Young is better than Robbie Farah, or Cam Smith?
4) How Ben Creagh is better than Morrison, Stagg, Laffranchi, Waterhouse, Paul Gallen, Chad Robinson, Watmough or Mark Minichiello?
5) How Matt Cooper is good enough to push Matt King to the wing - thus leaving the worlds most devastating 3/4, Eric Grothe Jnr, at home? How is Matt a better centre than Ben Smith or Tahu?
6) How Trent Barrett will spend the tour with Lockyer at pivot? Does that mean that Barrett will be half - leaving the likes of Prince, Tim Smith and Dally M POTY winner Thurston at home?

All this, with the Tigers odds on toput 30 on 'em?

Finally a word on Bob McCarthy - yep, one of the greats- knows more about leage than 3 LU forums put together. He's also the proud Rabbitoh that became coach, and proclaimed that any player who left Souths for another club was a traitor. He's also the bloke who left Souths and spent 3 years with Canterbury.

Dickhead.

I can't see any reason why saints should get more than whoever the premiers might be if it isn't them. There is plenty of talent in the Cowpats and Tigers. There is more talent at Parramatta.
 

thuganomics

Coach
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I wouldn't mind Young getting in the squad, hes been solid all year. Can make a handy benchie.

Don't know about Hornby and Creagh though.
 

CULLUS.ONLINE

Juniors
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why is it that I am feeling the emotion of "wow.... this doesn't supprise me one bit"
once again, the Kangaroosterdragons will go off to england... and more fans will be turned off by it!
 

Southernsaint

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LOL, feel the hatred...

Hornby & Young, especially are in the frame for their utility value. Either that, or it's a conspiracy...
 

CULLUS.ONLINE

Juniors
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Misty Bee said:
If 8 saints go, goodluck to them. Not withstanding it's the biggest ever representation from one club on a tour, nor is this the closest comp ever, nor has the GF teams even been mentioned.

Can someone tell me....

1) How Brett Hodgeson is a worse fullback than Hornby?
2) How Matt Bowen, Craig Wing, Preston Campbell and John Morris are worse utilities than Hornby?
3) How Dean Young is better than Robbie Farah, or Cam Smith?
4) How Ben Creagh is better than Morrison, Stagg, Laffranchi, Waterhouse, Paul Gallen, Chad Robinson, Watmough or Mark Minichiello?
5) How Matt Cooper is good enough to push Matt King to the wing - thus leaving the worlds most devastating 3/4, Eric Grothe Jnr, at home? How is Matt a better centre than Ben Smith or Tahu?
6) How Trent Barrett will spend the tour with Lockyer at pivot? Does that mean that Barrett will be half - leaving the likes of Prince, Tim Smith and Dally M POTY winner Thurston at home?

All this, with the Tigers odds on toput 30 on 'em?

Finally a word on Bob McCarthy - yep, one of the greats- knows more about leage than 3 LU forums put together. He's also the proud Rabbitoh that became coach, and proclaimed that any player who left Souths for another club was a traitor. He's also the bloke who left Souths and spent 3 years with Canterbury.

Dickhead.

I can't see any reason why saints should get more than whoever the premiers might be if it isn't them. There is plenty of talent in the Cowpats and Tigers. There is more talent at Parramatta.
Im sure Daley and his merry band of Dragons fans could list off a million reasons.
 

borat

Bench
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Misty Bee said:
If 8 saints go, goodluck to them. Not withstanding it's the biggest ever representation from one club on a tour, nor is this the closest comp ever, nor has the GF teams even been mentioned.

Can someone tell me....

1) How Brett Hodgeson is a worse fullback than Hornby?
2) How Matt Bowen, Craig Wing, Preston Campbell and John Morris are worse utilities than Hornby?
3) How Dean Young is better than Robbie Farah, or Cam Smith?
4) How Ben Creagh is better than Morrison, Stagg, Laffranchi, Waterhouse, Paul Gallen, Chad Robinson, Watmough or Mark Minichiello?
5) How Matt Cooper is good enough to push Matt King to the wing - thus leaving the worlds most devastating 3/4, Eric Grothe Jnr, at home? How is Matt a better centre than Ben Smith or Tahu?
6) How Trent Barrett will spend the tour with Lockyer at pivot? Does that mean that Barrett will be half - leaving the likes of Prince, Tim Smith and Dally M POTY winner Thurston at home?

All this, with the Tigers odds on toput 30 on 'em?

Finally a word on Bob McCarthy - yep, one of the greats- knows more about leage than 3 LU forums put together. He's also the proud Rabbitoh that became coach, and proclaimed that any player who left Souths for another club was a traitor. He's also the bloke who left Souths and spent 3 years with Canterbury.

Dickhead.

I can't see any reason why saints should get more than whoever the premiers might be if it isn't them. There is plenty of talent in the Cowpats and Tigers. There is more talent at Parramatta.

Boo farkin hoo tosspot. So you carve up McCarthy and what's his record like in selecting winning teams? Thats why he is a selector and you are just a bitter parra loving squeeling stuck pig.
 
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Ho hum, but for the record...

Misty Bee said:
1) How Brett Hodgeson is a worse fullback than Hornby?

He's not - they are both great fullbacks with individual strengths. They both deserve consideration

Misty Bee said:
2) How Matt Bowen, Craig Wing, Preston Campbell and John Morris are worse utilities than Hornby?

You keep using "worse".. a sign of negativity. Anyway Hornby has proved himself an more than adept fullback, 5/8 and halfback this year. Wing is a strong utility. Bowen could shift, but only tested at fullback. The others are ok too. Hornby is therefore a great utility IMO. He deserves consideration.
Misty Bee said:
3) How Dean Young is better than Robbie Farah, or Cam Smith?

He has strengths in #9 at least equal to Farah and Smith, but can also be utilised as an effective 6th forward (ie shift to second row etc)
Misty Bee said:
4) How Ben Creagh is better than Morrison, Stagg, Laffranchi, Waterhouse, Paul Gallen, Chad Robinson, Watmough or Mark Minichiello?

Big, hard to stop, and can offload a great ball. The others are mostly great players too with respective strengths, but Creagh is explosive - i reckon ideal off the bench for Oz. Morrison is the best of the others and should be there also.

Misty Bee said:
5) How Matt Cooper is good enough to push Matt King to the wing - thus leaving the worlds most devastating 3/4, Eric Grothe Jnr, at home? How is Matt a better centre than Ben Smith or Tahu?

Ive always said that players should be picked in position. If Grothe is the best winger pick him at wing. Whether they do or not is their decision, but Coops and King are great centres - both worthy candidates. Grothes form should have nothing to do with it (but he should be on one wing BTW).

As far as Smith & Tahu, great players themselves but Coops is better IMO.
Misty Bee said:
6) How Trent Barrett will spend the tour with Lockyer at pivot? Does that mean that Barrett will be half - leaving the likes of Prince, Tim Smith and Dally M POTY winner Thurston at home?

Lockyer shouldn't be at 5/8, will get through on loyalty to incumbents and Wayne Bennett. Barrett is arguably one of the best 5/8ths currently in the comp and tested at rep level.
 

Tommy Smith

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CULLUS.ONLINE said:
why is it that I am feeling the emotion of "wow.... this doesn't supprise me one bit"
once again, the Kangaroosterdragons will go off to england... and more fans will be turned off by it!
Only three Roosters are in the train-on squad, let alone on the tour as of yet.

Personally, i dont have a problem if 8 Dragons make the squad. They've always had the talent and are now proving it by wiping the floor (so far) with the rest of the competition.

Barrett, Ryles, Bailey, Gasnier and Cooper would have to be certainties.

As for the other three; Young has been the 2nd best hooker in the comp behind Buderus this year and thats discounting the fact that he can easily slot into the back row (infact that's where he's best suited).

Hornby is IMO level with hodgson behind Mini although Hodgson's form lately would put him ahead of Hornby for the FB spot. However, when you consider that neither has a realistic chance to replace Mini you have to take into consideration utility value and Hornby can slot into either halfback or 5/8 very effectively.

As for Creagh, he's a magnificent talent. The modern prototype for a backrower - quick, mobile, strong, can off-load, hits hard in defense and is built like a brick sh!t house. Awesome player. However, the same was said about Tupou last year but he didnt get a look in...largely because he was still seen as a 'talent' who will be great in the future. So we'll see if the selectors adopt the same approach with Creagh, which i dont neccessarily agree with btw.

Why do people get so fired up about this topic? Who cares if more players from that team over my team make it. It's just childish. At the end of the day if 8 Dragons make it compared to 2 Eels, thats just an extra 6 Dragons who could go down with a Mark O'Meley or Willie Mason type injury as far as Eels and Dragons fans should be concerned.
 

weasel

First Grade
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Misty Bee said:
1)How Brett Hodgeson is a worse fullback than Hornby? He's not but as it's been said dozens of times already, Hornby's not being considered for a fullback spot but a utility spot. Personally I wouldn't pick him, and highly doubt he'll be there even if we win the GF.
2)How Matt Bowen, Craig Wing, Preston Campbell and John Morris are worse utilities than Hornby? Craig Wing will probably be picked in the squad. Hornby has had successful and lengthy spells playing at fullback, five-eight and halfback for us in the last several years. And the others? Bowen may come into the attacking line as a 5/8th on occassion but has never made the position a regular one. Preston Campbell can play in the halves, but iirc was tried as a hooker in 2002 under Anderson and wasn't a success, he always had the jitters as a fullback, and well he can play wing as well, but who picks a utility player based on their ability to play on the wing? As for John Morris, well I can't recall him playing in the backline outside the halves, and there'll be sure to be other players picked who can cover his roles in the forwards. Also, I really don't think he's rep quality.
3)How Dean Young is better than Robbie Farah, or Cam Smith? Dean Young can play lock, second row and hooker.
4)How Ben Creagh is better than Morrison, Stagg, Laffranchi, Waterhouse, Paul Gallen, Chad Robinson, Watmough or Mark Minichiello? I suppose it all comes down to opinion but I think Ben Creagh is a better player than all those listed, and is going to be one of the next great back rowers.The NSW and Australian selectors, and league experts alike have already ear-marked him as such.
5)How Matt Cooper is good enough to push Matt King to the wing - thus leaving the worlds most devastating 3/4, Eric Grothe Jnr, at home? How is Matt a better centre than Ben Smith or Tahu? Well I agree with you here, imo Matt is probably the most overrated of our rep players. But still, probably the best defensive centre in the league and does have some great attacking abilities, while there are centres I rate ahead of him he does have what it takes to be a rep player so if the selectors want him then it's hardly something to bitch and moan about.
6)How Trent Barrett will spend the tour with Lockyer at pivot? Does that mean that Barrett will be half - leaving the likes of Prince, Tim Smith and Dally M POTY winner Thurston at home? Barrett deserves to tour, moreso than Lockyer. You can't begrudge him that.

All this, with the Tigers odds on toput 30 on 'em?

Odds on with whom? We've still got one of the best defenses in the League and start favourites for this match. The tigers can put 30 on us, but it's hardly odds on, not by a longshot.

...
 

gregstar

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Misty Bee said:
If 8 saints go, goodluck to them. Not withstanding it's the biggest ever representation from one club on a tour, nor is this the closest comp ever, nor has the GF teams even been mentioned.

Can someone tell me....

1) How Brett Hodgeson is a worse fullback than Hornby?
2) How Matt Bowen, Craig Wing, Preston Campbell and John Morris are worse utilities than Hornby?
3) How Dean Young is better than Robbie Farah, or Cam Smith?
4) How Ben Creagh is better than Morrison, Stagg, Laffranchi, Waterhouse, Paul Gallen, Chad Robinson, Watmough or Mark Minichiello?
5) How Matt Cooper is good enough to push Matt King to the wing - thus leaving the worlds most devastating 3/4, Eric Grothe Jnr, at home? How is Matt a better centre than Ben Smith or Tahu?
6) How Trent Barrett will spend the tour with Lockyer at pivot? Does that mean that Barrett will be half - leaving the likes of Prince, Tim Smith and Dally M POTY winner Thurston at home?

All this, with the Tigers odds on toput 30 on 'em?

Finally a word on Bob McCarthy - yep, one of the greats- knows more about leage than 3 LU forums put together. He's also the proud Rabbitoh that became coach, and proclaimed that any player who left Souths for another club was a traitor. He's also the bloke who left Souths and spent 3 years with Canterbury.

Dickhead.

I can't see any reason why saints should get more than whoever the premiers might be if it isn't them. There is plenty of talent in the Cowpats and Tigers. There is more talent at Parramatta.

so there's no way 8 dragons should tour - 8 eels should go instead.
 

Willow

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CULLUS.ONLINE said:
Im sure Daley and his merry band of Dragons fans could list off a million reasons.
What's Daley got to do with it?
Offcourse its all Saints fault that the Telegraph pumped out some more fish wrappers today.
Gregstar said:
so there's no way 8 dragons should tour - 8 eels should go instead.
Too bloody right! Nothing would please me more.
 

MrSharky

Juniors
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My Oz team:

1. Lockyer (c)
2. Minichiello
3. Gasnier
4. Tahu
5. Grothe
6. Barrett
7. Gower
8. L.Bailey
9. Priddis
10. O'Meley
11. Hindmarsh
12. Kennedy
13. Gallen

14. Ross
15. Nutley
16. Maitua
17. Wing





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gregstar

Referee
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MrSharky said:
My Oz team:

1. Lockyer (c)
2. Minichiello
3. Gasnier
4. Tahu
5. Grothe
6. Barrett
7. Gower
8. L.Bailey
9. Priddis
10. O'Meley
11. Hindmarsh
12. Kennedy
13. Gallen

14. Ross
15. Nutley
16. Maitua
17. Wing





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lucablight

First Grade
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borat said:
Boo farkin hoo tosspot. So you carve up McCarthy and what's his record like in selecting winning teams? Thats why he is a selector and you are just a bitter parra loving squeeling stuck pig.

Record for winning teams? McCarthy could pick teams two or three times over and they would still win. This was pretty much proven in 2003. You're acting like he's the reason Australia win all the time. BBSF could pick the team and they would still win.
 

gregstar

Referee
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MrSharky said:
At least explain why you disagree and/or post your own team...
your team:
1. Lockyer (c) - acceptable opinion
2. Minichiello - acceptable opinion
3. Gasnier - acceptable opinion
4. Tahu - acceptable opinion
5. Grothe - acceptable opinion
6. Barrett - acceptable opinion
7. Gower - yeah right
8. L.Bailey - acceptable opinion
9. Priddis - yeah right
10. O'Meley - just acceptable as an opinion, his form is crap
11. Hindmarsh - acceptable opinion
12. Kennedy - acceptable opinion
13. Gallen - zero cred for you

14. Ross - zero cred for you
15. Nutley - zero cred for you
16. Maitua - zero cred for you
17. Wing - just acceptable as an opinion, his form is crap

basically, you could have nailed 16 of 17 if you wanted to. but as soon as you named gallen, i figured you were tickling your ankles.
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