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Tendulkar is a bad sport: Gilly

El Diablo

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I answered your question

no you did not

you changed the question to suit yourself and then answered it



I have, numerous times

where?

and don't point to a post where you've chopped and changed things around in a weak attempt to imply that the two statements carry different meanings

eg: asking questions about George W Bush is not an answer


I never said you did

you have so on numerous occasions

you try and mask it though

I never said you did

find where i have

you just said it again. see below

What I did say was that by inferring that my view that Symonds looks like a monkey is comparing all black people to monkeys, you are inferring that all black people look like Symonds- and that's an absurd and racist generalization.
 

Meth

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no you did not

you changed the question to suit yourself and then answered it

not at all-I just made sure I clarified the context of the question and the answer so you didn't have a chance to misrepresent my answer


I have already clearly stated that you aren't necessarily what you bear resemblance to. The difference between me saying that Andrew Symonds looks like a monkey and Andrew Symonds is a monkey is so blindingly obvious

you have so on numerous occasions

you try and mask it though

where?

you just said it again. see below

Let me walk you through my statement, as you appear to be too thick to deconstruct it yourself

I called Symonds, not black people, monkeys. It is a slur against Symonds, not against black people. It is not a racial generalization, it is a comment about Symonds' appearance.

You suggest that all black people have reason to take offense at my comment about Symonds' appearance; to suggest that is to introduce the new assertion into the mix that when I comment about Symonds' appearance, the comment could be more widely applied to all people that share his color... and assertion I was careful to exclude.

In that way, painting my comment as a racial slur when it is clearly a comment about Symonds' appearance, and his alone, is to suggest that all people of Symonds' color share Symonds' appearance, the subject of the slur. That is a racial generalization.

You never implied that all colored people look like monkeys- neither did I

But by implying that my comment on Symonds' appearance was 'racist', you did imply that all colored people share the aestetic trait that prompted me to remark that Symonds looks like a monkey.

Racist!!
 

El Diablo

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not at all-I just made sure I clarified the context of the question and the answer so you didn't have a chance to misrepresent my answer

you clarified the context lol

i asked the question, dumbarse

it was a very simple question

are they the same race?

yes or no are the only two answers. you didn't want to answer my question though so you changed it to your own version and then answered it



I have already clearly stated that you aren't necessarily what you bear resemblance to. The difference between me saying that Andrew Symonds looks like a monkey and Andrew Symonds is a monkey is so blindingly obvious

semantics and a way of trying to worm your way out of it

as if anyone actually thinks a person means it literally when they call him a monkey

it common knowledge that saying a black man is or looks like a monkey is racist. both carry the same meaning

we went through this sh*t last summer when kiwis and Indians defended Singh


here

I think you're racist.

By inferring that my view that Symonds looks like a monkey is comparing all black people to monkeys, you are inferring that all black people look like Symonds- that's an absurd generalization.

Racist



Let me walk you through my statement, as you appear to be too thick to deconstruct it yourself

I called Symonds, not black people, monkeys. It is a slur against Symonds, not against black people. It is not a racial generalization, it is a comment about Symonds' appearance.

You suggest that all black people have reason to take offense at my comment about Symonds' appearance; to suggest that is to introduce the new assertion into the mix that when I comment about Symonds' appearance, the comment could be more widely applied to all people that share his color... and assertion I was careful to exclude.

In that way, painting my comment as a racial slur when it is clearly a comment about Symonds' appearance, and his alone, is to suggest that all people of Symonds' color share Symonds' appearance, the subject of the slur. That is a racial generalization.

You never implied that all colored people look like monkeys- neither did I

But by implying that my comment on Symonds' appearance was 'racist', you did imply that all colored people share the aestetic trait that prompted me to remark that Symonds looks like a monkey.

Racist!!

it doesn't matter how many times its pointed out to you, you just don't get it or you're in denial

do you remember the tour of India?

let me refresh you

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/symonds-racially-abused-yet-again/2007/10/17/1192300859647.html

Symonds racially abused yet again
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Alex Brown in Mumbai
October 18, 2007

ANDREW Symonds has been subjected to yet another round of monkey chants, this time by sections of the Wankhede Stadium crowd during Wednesday night's seventh and final one-day international.

The incident occurred on the same day that the Board of Control for Cricket in India finally relented and pledged to investigate racist crowd behaviour, having initially attempted to dismiss the issue.

But there can be no denying it now. Following his dismissal for a first-ball duck to spinner Murali Kartik on Wednesday, the Australian all-rounder was taunted with the same monkey chants he was subjected to in Vadodara six days ago. Many local observers had predicted Wednesday's events, with the Wankhede Stadium crowd regarded as the most hostile and vitriolic in India.

Australian team manager Steve Bernard consulted ICC match referee Chris Broad and ICC security manager NS Virk about the taunts. Virk in turn dispatched police, who evicted several perpetrators.

Symonds has been portrayed as a villain by the Indian press in recent weeks, and he was jeered loudly by spectators both on his way to the centre and his return to the pavilion. But it was the monkey taunting following his dismissal that will most upset the Queenslander and his teammates, all of whom had hoped the issue was close to being resolved.

An Australian photographer captured several images of monkey taunting from the crowd, providing for the first time evidence of Symonds's earlier claims. A racist thread has weaved its way through the latter stages of this series, and any further attempts by the BCCI to bury heads in the sand will presumably be met with scorn by the International Cricket Council.

Several Indian media outlets have gone to great lengths this week to explain that monkey chants in Indian cricket, unlike in European football, are not intended to be racially derogative. However, the fact that sections of the Mumbai crowd engaged in monkey taunts on Wednesday - after the Australians outlined their belief that the chants in Vadodara were racially motivated - suggests such reports are erroneous.

Still, it seems a corner has been turned. Sharad Pawar, the BCCI chairman and most powerful figure in international cricket, adopted a vastly different stance to his subordinates yesterday by insisting that the matter would be looked into and the ICC's anti-racism code obeyed.

Pawar, however, shared the sentiments of other BCCI officials by stating that, in his opinion, Symonds mistook the antics of the crowd for racism. Symonds, along with the Australian team, believe otherwise.

"We respect that we have to protect the individual player," Pawar told the Herald. "There is a complaint and we will take the appropriate action. I believe this is a misunderstanding; a language issue. There are many languages spoken in India, and I don't understand many of them, myself.

"Still, it is the responsibility of the Indian board to execute that [the ICC's anti-racism code]. There have already been steps taken."

Pawar's comments will be viewed by many as a backdown by the BCCI, which initially refused to acknowledged the incident in Vadodara took place. The BCCI has since made moves to appoint an anti-racism officer, as is mandatory under ICC guidelines, and has posted notices at the past four matches informing spectators of the penalties for racist behaviour.

The manouevrings of the Indians comes in the aftermath of the stern warning delivered by Ray Mali, the ICC's chairman, and David Morgan, the council's chairman-elect, in yesterday's Herald. Both chairmen insisted that the BCCI must adhere to the council's anti-racism code and investigate Symonds's allegations. According to Pawar, suggestions that the race row would damage relations between the BCCI and Cricket Australia were incorrect.

"This will not at all affect our relationship with Cricket Australia," he said. "We have a very strong relationship, and we are hoping that will continue."

An hour after the goading of Symonds on Wednesday night, Pawar and his Cricket Australia counterpart, Creagh O'Connor, released a joint statement deploring racism.

"All cricket nations have to be on guard to ensure that the fun does not cross the boundary into unacceptable behaviour," the statement read.

"If it does, it is our expectation that the specifics of the ICC anti-racism code be enforced without fear or favour.

"Players of all countries have a right to expect they will be treated with respect wherever they play in the world."

Pawar and O'Connor had "instructed their respective managements to ensure that the objectives of the code were understood and implemented properly at all venues," the statement concluded.

Meanwhile, rumours that an Australian television cameraman recorded images of further racist crowd behaviour towards Symonds in the preceding match in Nagpur appear unfounded.

Matt Weiss, an associate of documentary-maker Gus Worland, said his cameras captured no such footage but did record a conversation between Worland and a member of the Nagpur crowd who, it is believed, attempted to incite the crowd into monkey chanting.

The film in question is being couriered to Australia via Hong Kong.

with AAP

do you remember the tour last summer?

surely you don't need to be reminded about that

and so after all of this you still feel that you can refer to Symonds as a monkey and not be called racist

it won't work
 

ocko

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they wouldnt let us into the perth test with the giant stuffed toy monkey we had done up

pity...
 

Meth

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''Several Indian media outlets have gone to great lengths this week to explain that monkey chants in Indian cricket, unlike in European football, are not intended to be racially derogative.''

Sounds familiar
 
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