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The 2013/2014 Off Season Thread

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Hollywood Jesus

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Gronk said:
Yet you seem to think that your position of "i've read enough to conclude" is rigorous and scientific ? Whilst I might be believing what I am told by experts in their field of academia, what qualifications or experience to you possess to accurately interpret the data that you have read (but won't post here unfortunately) ? Or are you simply a layman like the rest of us ? I don't wish to play the man here, but I am responding in like terms.

How are you "data literate" and skilled up to interpret data modelling and simulation ? Or are you relying on those who compiled the data to provide you with their conclusions ? If so, how do you know that he/she is indeed independent ?
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Do I have a degree in climate science? No, but then again plenty of people that are commentating lack the same credentials, too, so that's no big deal.

To be honest, everything I've talked about should be bleedingly obvious because it's right there in the links that you yourself have posted.

Have you even bothered to pay attention to what I have said? Have you gone back to your links and looked for what I have mentioned?

If so, are you saying that you somehow can't see it? Is that because you don't have the capacity to understand the situation? Or have you not even bothered to go and look? If not, why not?

It seems to me as if all you're doing is repeating a line that you have been told, which you haven't even bothered to put any effort into checking out yourself.

You seem to have good intentions, Gronk, but to be honest they don't mean shit. I've mentioned a few graphs from that pamphlet you referenced so go back and have a look at them in relation to what I have talked about. If you have any questions then ask away and I'll give you a bit of detail to help you understand.

Poupou Escobar said:
More political activism masquerading as science I expect.
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Absolutely. This is exactly what it is. "Activists" hijacking science they don't understand to push their own subjective morality.

I've lost count of the amount of leftoid frothers I have met who scream "Science!" as an attack mechanism against those aspects of society that they disagree with, yet are unable to back it up with any scientific data, or even understanding, once you attempt to drill down into an intelligent conversation.

"Science" is the new delivery mechanism for vitriol, it seems.

But it's ok. I have shitloads of fun making them look like fools and leaving them frothing and hyperventilating after tearing their "arguments" apart. It's one of my favourite forms of entertainment.
 
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Gronk

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Hollywood Jesus said:
Do I have a degree in climate science? No, but then again plenty of people that are commentating lack the same credentials, too, so that's no big deal.

To be honest, everything I've talked about should be bleedingly obvious because it's right there in the links that you yourself have posted.

Have you even bothered to pay attention to what I have said? Have you gone back to your links and looked for what I have mentioned?

If so, are you saying that you somehow can't see it? Is that because you don't have the capacity to understand the situation? Or have you not even bothered to go and look? If not, why not?

It seems to me as if all you're doing is repeating a line that you have been told, which you haven't even bothered to put any effort into checking out yourself.

You seem to have good intentions, Gronk, but to be honest they don't mean shit. I've mentioned a few graphs from that pamphlet you referenced so go back and have a look at them in relation to what I have talked about. If you have any questions then ask away and I'll give you a bit of detail to help you understand.
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So you've basically got nothing ? :? I should work it out myself from various links that may or not be unreliable, depending if they support your view or not ?

You offer a most unconvincing argument HJ.
 
Barry O'Speedwagon

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Well, whatever people think of the balance of the evidence for / against the human influence on climate change, from a risk management perspective there are starkly different downsides to basing policy on each perspective. If the naysayers are right, but we continue with emission reduction schemes, we give up some shorter term benefits but likely stretch out the remaining life of our reserves of scarce resources (e.g. coal and shit). If the other side are right, and we do nothing the downside is a touch more severe (and to be fair, it will be a touch more severe even if we try to do something about it).
 
Delboy

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An observation on the topic, it appears if you live east of Victoria Road then you a rusted on believer in man made climate change, and even think that the Labour Party have a clue ( do you,listen to that dribbler John Robertson, he is a complete dope)

Those over say 45 ( yep me) that have seen droughts, floods, hot summers, warm winters, cold winters and warm summers , doubt that much has changed and there is little that we can do in this country ( we have so little influence, and no one listens to us anyway - despite what Krudd and Juliar thought)

I don't believe anything the mob called ICCP or whatever say, they are a lefty sponsored bunch of dopes who ostracise anyone who thinks differently

I will sit back and see where we are in 10 years, little will change other than skyrocketing energy prices, that only those east of Vic Road can afford , maybe that's their plan :)
 
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Delboy said:
An observation on the topic, it appears if you live east of Victoria Road then you a rusted on believer in man made climate change, and even think that the Labour Party have a clue ( do you,listen to that dribbler John Robertson, he is a complete dope)

Those over say 45 ( yep me) that have seen droughts, floods, hot summers, warm winters, cold winters and warm summers , doubt that much has changed and there is little that we can do in this country ( we have so little influence, and no one listens to us anyway - despite what Krudd and Juliar thought)

I don't believe anything the mob called ICCP or whatever say, they are a lefty sponsored bunch of dopes who ostracise anyone who thinks differently

I will sit back and see where we are in 10 years, little will change other than skyrocketing energy prices, that only those east of Vic Road can afford , maybe that's their plan :)
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Or maybe those who live on the west of Victoria Road are a bunch of selfish merkins who don't give a flying f**k about future generations ? Maybe if they didn't spend all their spare cash on smokes, booze, pokies and drugs they'd be able to afford alternative energies.

Oh, have a I stereotyped people based on where they live ? You're right, I apologise. ;-)
 
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Maroubra Eel said:
Strider, sorry about this. The brief summary request didn't seem to work.
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HJ thinks that the climate change thing is a beat up, promoted by brain washed tree hugger do gooders, agenda driven scientists and commies.

Pou just argues for the sake of it.

Delboy is pissed at anyone who lives east of his suburb.

You're too lazy to write summaries.
 
Poupou Escobar

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Barry O'Speedwagon said:
If the naysayers are right, but we continue with emission reduction schemes, we give up some shorter term benefits
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This is where the what-can-it-hurt? school of thought reveals its short-sightedness (or just its intellectual distaste for economics).

The price of reducing reliance on fossil fuels isn't just giving up a daily latte and a few Che Guevara t-shirts. The real cost is reduced economic activity, which if sustained for more than a couple of months leads to rising poverty and social tension. Reducing reliance on fossil fuels would take decades of recession. In a highly urbanised, multicultural population like Australia one symptom of sustained economic stagnation would probably be intercommunal violence.

Of course, some of us would blame social media while the rest blamed corporations. It's cathartic to have someone to blame.
 
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Poupou Escobar said:
This is where the what-can-it-hurt? school of thought reveals its short-sightedness (or just its intellectual distaste for economics).

The price of reducing reliance on fossil fuels isn't just giving up a daily latte and a few Che Guevara t-shirts. The real cost is reduced economic activity, which if sustained for more than a couple of months leads to rising poverty and social tension. Reducing reliance on fossil fuels would take decades of recession. In a highly urbanised, multicultural population like Australia one symptom of sustained economic stagnation would probably be intercommunal violence.

Of course, some of us would blame social media while the rest blamed corporations. It's cathartic to have someone to blame.
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No matter how this pans out, you on the other hand will simply say in 30 years time - see how you idiots f**ked it all up ? :lol:

You and Phil Gould will always be on the winning side Pou.
 
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phantom eel said:
Where's Casper when you need him? He'd tell us who is really to blame.
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Casper would blame some secret society.

Ram would no doubt blame an international world bank conspiracy masterminded by the Rothschilds or the Masons.
 
Delboy

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Gronk said:
Or maybe those who live on the west of Victoria Road are a bunch of selfish merkins who don't give a flying f**k about future generations ? Maybe if they didn't spend all their spare cash on smokes, booze, pokies and drugs they'd be able to afford alternative energies.

Oh, have a I stereotyped people based on where they live ? You're right, I apologise. ;-)
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Such anger doesn't become you, because I don't necessarily agree on climate change , I must be a complete moron

Doesn't work like that, then again as a teetotaller, non smoker, don't even take aspirin and even though I go to Parra Leagues, and don't play the pokies - I am still someone who listens to talk back and has no idea.

Love these discussions,I guess I am a right wing redneck, oh well , at last I am happy and didn't vote Labour :) and send the country down the gurgler
 
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