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The 2013/2014 Off Season Thread

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Gronk

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I thought shit talk was carbon neutral.

No, I can reveal that your shit talk is a major contributor to the yellow bit.

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Environment Minister Hunt and PM Abbott

Abbott: "We are a conservationist government."

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I'm not interested in pollution per capita. The true figure is pollution per square kilometre.

That's correct. Australians live widely dispersed, meaning we require a lot of transportation. You want to look at the big polluters, look at the densely packed masses in China and India.
 

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That's correct. Australians live widely dispersed, meaning we require a lot of transportation. You want to look at the big polluters, look at the densely packed masses in China and India.

Yeah, they tried non-motorised vehicles and it didn't work out.

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That's correct. Australians live widely dispersed, meaning we require a lot of transportation. You want to look at the big polluters, look at the densely packed masses in China and India.

At least they are doing something about it. They have had an ETS up and running in Guangdong province since last year. Guangdong = population 100 million.

They plan to roll out carbon pricing over the other provinces thereafter, culminating in a national ETS in 2020.

India, are working towards an ETS as well.

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Yes but if it like China's other environment levies it will be legislated so that it applies to virtually no one. They are notorious for bringing in these taxes to look good on the world stage but putting in loopholes so that their businesses are unaffected.
 

Poupou Escobar

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At least they are doing something about it. They have had an ETS up and running in Guangdong province since last year. Guangdong = population 100 million.

They plan to roll out carbon pricing over the other provinces thereafter, culminating in a national ETS in 2020.

India, are working towards an ETS as well.

LOL@us

I'm sure we're 'working towards' emissions trading too. It's a damn sight cheaper than actually pricing carbon emissions.

lol @ anyone who believes anything China says
 

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I think you're wrong, whilst China might not give a crap about pollution, they are realizing that it effects the economy. The deniers will no doubt say that it's a smoke screen (hehe), most see a shift in their mindset.

As China continues to take its pollution problems seriously the country has now passed amendments to environmental protection laws that will impose tougher penalties on polluters in the most sweeping revisions to the law in 25 years.
The much-anticipated amendments signal the close of a two-year debate among scholars, the government and state-owned enterprises over changes to the environmental protection law.
Reuters Newsagency reports they come in response to public anger over widespread pollution that has choked the country.
The revisions will go into effect on January 1 next year, the official newsagency Xinhua said.
China’s pollution epidemic has finally spurred the country’s leadership to declare a war on smog as citizens have become increasingly angry about what’s going into their lungs.
At the same time, a recent government report said pollution had left 16 per cent of the country’s land unfit for use.
Much of that pollution can be traced back to the billowing smoke stacks attached to China’s fleet of coal-fired power plants, and as the country steps up its fight against pollution, then these ageing plants will be on the front line.
Global coal producers, especially those in Australia, are already sitting up and taking notice.
China relies on coal for roughly three-quarters of its power generation.
Its coal-fired power plants combust nearly as much coal as the rest of the world put together.
Coal prices, for their part, are already tumbling in part due to a slowdown in China’s economic growth.
Spot prices at Newcastle, Australia, the world’s largest thermal coal exporting terminal, have plunged from a monthly average high of US$142 a tonne in January 2011 to US$78 a tonne last month.
A glut of coal is translating into falling coal prices and serious losses for global coal producers.
In Australia, mining giant Glencore Xstrata is closing its Ravensworth mine, while BHP Biliton recently shuttered its Gregory and Norwich Park mines, while the same is happening in Canada.
China’s environmental track record may not inspire much confidence that real change is in the offing.
Investors in coal companies, however, would be wise to listen to what Premier Li Keqiang is saying.
China’s newly unveiled environmental protection laws are expected to give Premier Li the tools he needs to clean up the country’s air.
The Premier, who plans to be in power for a long time, has identified pollution as a national priority.
Unlike the modus operandi of western democracies, China’s communist government has the clout to steamroll through whatever changes it believes are necessary.
Authorities have already shut down a number of carbon-belching coal and steel plants that ring some of the country’s major cities.
China’s sudden interest in combating pollution isn’t a result of external pressure to comply with an international climate change agreement nor does it stem from a newly heightened sense of moral obligation to Mother Nature.
China marches to its own drummer and the horrendous air quality engulfing its major cities has simply become too problematic to ignore.
This degree of unacceptable air is there for all to see, and more importantly breathe, in the country’s two premier cities, Beijing and Shanghai.
Increasingly, people living in those centres of economic and political power are demanding action.
Markets can expect China’s leadership to respond to those demands.
As a result China’s slowing economy and its emerging war on pollution will put the reins on global coal demand.
As that happens and prices go lower, mining companies will be forced to close more mines, which will curtail production as well as profits.
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Well if they have convinced Eco news then that's good enough for me...put me down as a believer!!!

I particularly like Eco News' renegade reporter Fred Rathfeld. Sure, he has a face like a sweaty ball bag but when it comes to reporting on Eco shit he is uncompromising.
 
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I really think we should tax citizens billions of dollars so we can have an effect of 0.0038 degrees (if global warming - which seems to have stopped over the last 15 years - is even anthropogenic).

Totes worth it.
 

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It would definitely be good to make Australian goods and services more expensive. I'm sure every merkin will do their bit and keep buying them.
 
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