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SMH 18/7

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67% of SMH readers think the only people who were going to be hurt by the carbon tax were rich white men.

And by rich they meant richer than themselves.

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'A Perfect Storm of Stupidity'



In the meantime, a range of expert scientists have spoken out again the scrapping of the two-year-old scheme, introduced by the former Gillard government, which placed a fixed price of $23 tonne on carbon before it was supposed to move to a “Cap and Trade” scheme in July 2015. They’re equally scathing of the Coalition’s Direct Action proposal.
Professor Roger Jones, a Research Fellow at Victoria University’s Victoria Institute of Strategic Economic Studies didn’t mince words, calling today’s decision “the perfect storm of stupidity”.
“It’s hard to imagine a more effective combination of poor reasoning and bad policy making”, and said it showed “a complete disregard of the science of climate change and its impacts.”
He labelled the government’s Direct Action plan “bad economics” which didn’t trust market forces.
He said it was “poor risk management to take what is effective and working, what can be readily adapted to more stringent targets, and replace it with a more expensive and unwieldy scheme that lacks the resources to meet its totally inadequate target of 5 per cent reductions by 2020,” he said.
Dr Roger Dargaville, senior energy analyst at the University of Melbourne’s Energy Institute & School of Earth Sciences said CO2 production had fallen by 12% since carbon was priced, as energy producers shifted from brown coal to cleaner gas, wind and hydro power production.
“The cost of this shift is carried primarily by the largest emitters who have seen their revenue slashed, which is exactly what the price on carbon was supposed to do,” he said.
“The repeal of the price on carbon is a backwards step and a sad day for the global climate.”
Dr Hugh Outhred, visiting fellow at the University of NSW’s School of Electrical Engineering and Telecommunications called scrapping a carbon price a “dereliction of duty”.
He noted the $23 tonne price set under the ALP was too high, but dismissed both emissions trading schemes and Direct Action, adding the latter will also be a disaster for the budget.
“The Coalition plan to replace a ‘polluter pays’ policy with a ‘pay the polluter’ policy will exacerbate the budget imbalance while being simply inadequate to the task, while emission trading schemes are too complex and too subject to gaming to earn public trust,” Dr Outhred said.
“The centrepiece of a coherent policy framework to mitigate dangerous climate change should be a steadily increasing carbon tax with reinvestment of the proceeds in assisting our society to become more sustainable.”
But perhaps the most telling comment came from Professor Peter Rayner at the University of Melbourne’s School of Earth Sciences, a carbon cycle scientist who monitors and predicts atmospheric CO2 levels.
“As an Australian, I’m proud of how much we have contributed to that understanding, but today I’m embarrassed by how poor we are at putting that understanding into practice. We know we have to put Australia on a long road to a low-carbon future. Today we stepped off the road for a nap but that won’t make the road any shorter, we will just have to hurry more to catch up later,” he said.
“I’m also mystified that a government which has thought and acted seriously for the long-term health of the federal budget can’t think beyond the previous election for the carbon budget.”
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Even if Australia had zero emissions it's not going to make any difference, sorry.

Whether you believe in global warming or not we need to put a price on carbon as it makes good economic sense. If you do not put a price on carbon then you risk those countries that do, to levy tarifs on our imports & exports, thus making us less competitive or paying more for stuff.

This is why Clive Palmer suddenly switched from being a climate sceptic. He found out that we would suffer financially if we did not price carbon like the rest of our trading partners. His recent suggestion that we adopt an ETS with a $0 price was progressive thinking. He said that we should have an ETS but defer participation in the (carbon) free market until our major trading partners do.

I expect that any amendment that Palmer proposes would never pass the lower house, so it was all hot air, but at least it's better than Direct Action.

Palmer said he’d attach an amendment to the CCA bill (note to Fairfax: not to the carbon tax repeal bill) stipulating that Australia would have an ETS with a zero carbon price, and that when Australia’s main trading partners established a similar ETS, Australia’s ETS would crank into action (i.e. the carbon price would rise). He named those partners: China, the United States, the European Union, Japan and Korea.
The EU and Korea have a carbon price. The US has no national carbon price and is not moving towards one (some states do have one). Instead, Obama wants to directly regulate emissions from coal-fired power stations. China does have various carbon prices in some regions and is moving towards linking them up with a national scheme. But this is taking time; it is some years away. Japan is not doing much on climate change and is not moving towards a carbon price.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/06/25...er-just-save-the-planet/?wpmp_switcher=mobile
 
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Whether you believe in global warming or not we need to put a price on carbon as it makes good economic sense. If you do not put a price on carbon then you risk those countries that do, to levy tarifs on our imports & exports, thus making us less competitive or paying more for stuff.

This is why Clive Palmer suddenly switched from being a climate sceptic. He found out that we would suffer financially if we did not price carbon like the rest of our trading partners. His recent suggestion that we adopt an ETS with a $0 price was progressive thinking. He said that we should have an ETS but defer participation in the (carbon) free market until our major trading partners do.

I expect that any amendment that Palmer proposes would never pass the lower house, so it was all hot air, but at least it's better than Direct Action.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/06/25...er-just-save-the-planet/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

I wouldn't be so sure that was the real reason Clive suddenly switched. Palmer flops one way, then the next, like a 80 year man going commando on his daily walk. Come next week he could well be a skeptic again. Depends which side of the bed he got out of, and which poll he is reading/has had read to him by a minion.
 

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This government is not only killing the environment, they are ruining the economy as well!!! Increasing the cost of doing business in Australia is the best thing to do! Our trading partners might impose tariffs!!!
 

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Gotta hand it to the gutsy (stupid) pilots flying in Ukraine airspace right now. (live shot).
 

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This government is not only killing the environment, they are ruining the economy as well!!! Increasing the cost of doing business in Australia is the best thing to do! Our trading partners might impose tariffs!!!

Well at least my family is $10 a week better off now, right ?

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It will make little difference for the people in safe jobs. It's all the other merkins who will be better off without the carbon tax.
 

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If Abbott is right that the carbon tax was putting people out of work, the employment rate should start dropping now.

The tax is gone but they still keep the compensation provided, how f**ken stupid is that if we have an budget emergency !!
 

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If Abbott is right that the carbon tax was putting people out of work, the employment rate should start dropping now.

The tax is gone but they still keep the compensation provided, how f**ken stupid is that if we have an budget emergency !!

AND We might have 153 Sri Lankins stuck in a floating jail for the past 3 weeks...

But we the main thing is that we have stopped the boats and axed that f**king toxic tax !
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