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The 2013/2014 Off Season Thread

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Poupou Escobar

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Playing the suburb card is spot on. Why do all the refugee advocates live in expensive addresses?

The only refugees you'll ever see at your local shops are wealthy dissidents from places like Venezuela or Armenia.
 
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Playing the suburb card is spot on. Why do all the refugee advocates live in expensive addresses?

The only refugees you'll ever see at your local shops are wealthy dissidents from places like Venezuela or Armenia.

Because they are all merkins.
 

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That they are all naive is closer to the mark. Let them eat cake, hey Gronk? Just not in your backyard.

Oops. You're off topic again and up to your old tricks by playing the man rather than the ball. Facts are that many people (from all walks of life and socio-economic groups) do have empathy for the less fortunate. Sorry if that goes against your grain.
 
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Playing the suburb card is spot on. Why do all the refugee advocates live in expensive addresses?

Well, I wouldn't describe myself as an advocate, but I believe we should treat those applying for refugee status decently, then shove them off if they have no apparent case for their claim. While I have no time for most of the 'people smugglers' that make it onto people's TV sets....one man's people smuggler is another's Oskar Schindler. There are at least 5 former refugee families living within 500m of my place, and while it's not exactly Vaucluse, there's some pretty pricey real estate in the area.
 

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Oops. You're off topic again and up to your old tricks by playing the man rather than the ball.

lol irony

Tell me again about how my flawed arguments prove your point.

Facts are that many people (from all walks of life and socio-economic groups) do have empathy for the less fortunate. Sorry if that goes against your grain.

How much empathy do these modern day Samaritans have for the economically disadvantaged people of the poorer suburbs who get (more) ethnic conflict thrust upon them by masses of people fleeing the ethnic conflict they were involved in elsewhere?

Or do they just call the existing unfortunates 'bogans', effectively dehumanising them? At least they're better off than the refugees hey?

Everyone else needs to make the sacrifices, don't they Gronk? I bet you f**king whinge about 'the rich' not doing their part. :lol: scumbag
 

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Well, I wouldn't describe myself as an advocate, but I believe we should treat those applying for refugee status decently, then shove them off if they have no apparent case for their claim. While I have no time for most of the 'people smugglers' that make it onto people's TV sets....one man's people smuggler is another's Oskar Schindler. There are at least 5 former refugee families living within 500m of my place, and while it's not exactly Vaucluse, there's some pretty pricey real estate in the area.

Nobody's got a problem with refugees that can afford to live somewhere nice. See my comment about the wealthy Venezuelan dissidents living next door to Gronk.

The wealthy are generally better people, even if they are out of touch with the working class experience of the world. If we can accept that poor white people are generally ignorant, aggressive scumbags, why can't we accept that poor brown people are of the same ilk? And if they are, should they really be living in the same neighbourhoods? We've seen so many examples - Gujarat, Bosnia, Syria. Why do we think it's going to end up any different here?
 
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I'm sorry but I must say "f**k 'em".

If we are to take refugess (which we should) then we have certain obligations. We must feed and clothe them, and put a roof over their heads. Education, language skills, job skills, possibly counselling plus additional welfare payments.

That means that this costs money. f**king shitloads of it.

As such, our refugee intake must be capped.

With this in mind, we cannot allow else anyone to dictate who comes to this country and when. Hand control of your refugee program to refugees and your budget will be blown out of the water. This detracts from your ability to serve the country and you cannot have that, as your first responsibility is to the people who live here and pay their taxes to fund everything, including the refugee program.

With a quota in mind, we can easily fill this through regional UNHCR centres and programs. As a matter of fact, we'd fall well short of what those refugees, as a whole, needed so we're already excluding people and leaving them behind.

Through UNCHR centres we can meet our responsibilities to the fullest of our ability. The second we let people start coming here themselves, we're screwed and we'll fail in the obligations we definitely have towards those in need.

We need to shut down people smuggling. An added benefit is people won't drown coming here. Children won't drown coming here. We need to be extremely harsh to establish a deterrent. This needs to stop and the best way to do that is to put our foot down on its throat, hard.

Just remember - every boat person (sorry about the term) we take is one more person we leave behind in a regional centre. Any morality people claim regarding asylum seekers and having an open border policy is hypocritical as they conveniently forget every woman and child they condemn to a poor death and a UNHCR regional centre.
 
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Just remember - every boat person (sorry about the term) we take is one more person we leave behind in a regional centre. Any morality people claim regarding asylum seekers and having an open border policy is hypocritical as they conveniently forget every woman and child they condemn to a poor death and a UNHCR regional centre.

i agree nobody gets on those boats for free and every one of them we take in means that somebody who can't afford to jump the queue misses out

here's my plan: every LEGAL refugee in a regional centre goes on a list every time a boat gets detained the illegal refugees take their spot in the regional centre at the bottom of the list and the ones at the top of the list come into australia

after going to the end of the line a few times the queuejumpers will soon run out of money and patience
 

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pretty impressive ... i know we whooped the poms but I didn't see us beating the saffas over there
 
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The landscape of the interweb has now changed forever.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/te...et-cost-105000-speaks-out-20140306-348b8.html

From now on my comments about you merkins will fall under the disclaimer of "parody and satire".

The difference is that this bloke defamed the teacher's real world identity. For a defamation case to stick where the victim is known only by a pseudonym, there are a lot more hoops to jump through before a case would get off the ground. Now of course, if the defamer had reasonable cause to believe that the true identity behind a pseudonym was known to others, things would be quite different.
 

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The difference is that this bloke defamed the teacher's real world identity. For a defamation case to stick where the victim is known only by a pseudonym, there are a lot more hoops to jump through before a case would get off the ground. Now of course, if the defamer had reasonable cause to believe that the true identity behind a pseudonym was known to others, things would be quite different.

I'm guessing that alot of people on this forum actually know each other in person and possibly know their real name, so I'm thinking that there would still be defamation issues involved, although more complex
 
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