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Let me guess. More zombies came and they shot them ?
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:lol: ... i watch the show, but yeah it's alot like that ... I find the show pretty corny and they over act badly - but there is always a "what will happen next" moment at the end of each show and you just gotta watch the next one - lol
 
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Can anyone explain to me why a "Ditch the Witch" banner created mass outrage but "Kill Abbott" and "f**k Abbott" seem to be fair play?

I just don't get it, or would it only be a problem if Abbott was female, black or gay?
 
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The Elephant In The room said:
Can anyone explain to me why a "Ditch the Witch" banner created mass outrage but "Kill Abbott" and "f**k Abbott" seem to be fair play?

I just don't get it, or would it only be a problem if Abbott was female, black or gay?
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Equal hysteria delivered only from the shock jocks from what I can see.

Anyway, soon Abbott will repeal 18(c) of the Racial Discrimination Act so you'll be able say what ever you like about the blacks. Actually it deals with - race, colour or national or ethnic origin.

Tony's mate George Brandis said the other day ""You cannot have a situation in a liberal democracy in which the expression of an opinion is rendered unlawful because somebody else ... finds it offensive or insulting".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-of-free-speech/story-e6frg97x-1226755431421#

So instead of going to mediation at the Human Rights Commission, those pesky minorities will just have to sue through the courts like the rest of us. Actually you can sue if you have the cash to foot a $40k+ legal bill to run just a small case.
 
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The Elephant In The room said:
Can anyone explain to me why a "Ditch the Witch" banner created mass outrage but "Kill Abbott" and "f**k Abbott" seem to be fair play?

I just don't get it, or would it only be a problem if Abbott was female, black or gay?
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Well, if Bill Shorten or say, Philip Adams, addresses a rally where people are holding those banners, I suspect there'll be quite a bit of comment.

Who said the Kill Abbott banner was fair play, other than the nutjob who organised the protest?....there's plenty of comment over it....you don't have to look hard.
 
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Gronk said:
Equal hysteria delivered only from the shock jocks from what I can see.

Anyway, soon Abbott will repeal 18(c) of the Racial Discrimination Act so you'll be able say what ever you like about the blacks. Actually it deals with - race, colour or national or ethnic origin.

Tony's mate George Brandis said the other day ""You cannot have a situation in a liberal democracy in which the expression of an opinion is rendered unlawful because somebody else ... finds it offensive or insulting".

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-of-free-speech/story-e6frg97x-1226755431421#

So instead of going to mediation at the Human Rights Commission, those pesky minorities will just have to sue through the courts like the rest of us. Actually you can sue if you have the cash to foot a $40k+ legal bill to run just a small case.
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Watering down the Racial Discrimination Act is a step backwards IMO, but I can kind of understand what Brandis means by the above. Its quite easy for people to take offence at comment and immediately label it as discriminatory, when in fact it was only said because the said person was being a knob (yes Anthony Mundine I'm looking in your direction), but at the end of the day, all people should have the right to feel protected by the Racial Discrimination Act.
 
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The Elephant In The room said:
Watering down the Racial Discrimination Act is a step backwards IMO, but I can kind of understand what Brandis means by the above. Its quite easy for people to take offence at comment and immediately label it as discriminatory, when in fact it was only said because the said person was being a knob (yes Anthony Mundine I'm looking in your direction), but at the end of the day, all people should have the right to feel protected by the Racial Discrimination Act.
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It's because what Tony's mate Andrew Bolt said and was to been found in breach of 18(C). So Tony said that he will repeal it in the name of "free speech" . :roll:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-28/bolt-found-guilty-of-breaching-discrimination-act/3025918
 
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Barry O'Speedwagon said:
Well, if Bill Shorten or say, Philip Adams, addresses a rally where people are holding those banners, I suspect there'll be quite a bit of comment.

Who said the Kill Abbott banner was fair play, other than the nutjob who organised the protest?....there's plenty of comment over it....you don't have to look hard.
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Would Bill Shorten or Phillip Adams be held responsible for the banners being held up in their present, at a public rally? I'd doubt it.

Politicians have been put up as items for ridicule for generations (in general, there is a distinct lack of respect for our PM's (both sides) these days) and its sadly become part and parcel of holding that office, but in Julia's bullshit misogyny speech, she had no qualms in making every attack on her something to do with her sex, rather than being a terrible PM:

?I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition went outside in the front of Parliament and stood next to a sign that said ?Ditch the witch?.

?I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition stood next to a sign that described me as a man?s bitch.?

I can only imagine what Julia would have said if GWAR had decapitated an effigy of her on stage.
 
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The Elephant In The room said:
Would Bill Shorten or Phillip Adams be held responsible for the banners being held up in their present, at a public rally? I'd doubt it.

Politicians have been put up as items for ridicule for generations (in general, there is a distinct lack of respect for our PM's (both sides) these days) and its sadly become part and parcel of holding that office, but in Julia's bullshit misogyny speech, she had no qualms in making every attack on her something to do with her sex, rather than being a terrible PM:

?I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition went outside in the front of Parliament and stood next to a sign that said ?Ditch the witch?.

?I was offended when the Leader of the Opposition stood next to a sign that described me as a man?s bitch.?

I can only imagine what Julia would have said if GWAR had decapitated an effigy of her on stage.
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So you started by comparing the current signs to the Ditch the Witch stuff, and complaining about the different response to them. Now you are simply speculating what would happen if Bill Shorten behaved the same as Jones and (and to a lesser extent) Abbott. So, is it surprising that people haven't reacted to something that hasn't actually happened?

The problem with the Ditch the Witch stuff was not so much that there are a few idiot extremist protesters who go over the top. It is the way they whipped into a frenzy but people in positions of responsibility (Jones), and implicitly ok'd by Tony. A decent bloke would at least have begun their address by noting their disapproval of the nature of some of those signs.
 
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Barry O'Speedwagon said:
The problem with the Ditch the Witch stuff was not so much that there are a few idiot extremist protesters who go over the top. It is the way they whipped into a frenzy but people in positions of responsibility (Jones), and implicitly ok'd by Tony. A decent bloke would at least have begun their address by noting their disapproval of the nature of some of those signs.
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To be honest, I think Tony Abbott is one of the more "decent blokes" in politics. Whether that says much for the rest of them, I'm not so sure.

Has Bill Shorten gone on record voicing his disapproval for the nature of some of the signs at the MiM protests? As far as I've heard, he's only said that the Labor Party wasn't formally involved in MiM, but that its a free country and that he wants people to express their views. So has he implicitly ok'd the signs?

I think all of it is in bad taste and unnecessary personally, but the same people that denounced the Ditch the Witch signs are now proudly sharing (via social media) and promoting the f**k/Kill Abbott signs. I just think its all very hypocritical.
 
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Politicians are hypocrites and so are the people that get too invested in politics, like these protesters. When politics becomes tribalism you get the third world.

No politician is ever as good or bad as the hysterical masses make them out to be.
 
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