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The 2013/2014 Off Season Thread

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To be honest, I think Tony Abbott is one of the more "decent blokes" in politics. Whether that says much for the rest of them, I'm not so sure.

Has Bill Shorten gone on record voicing his disapproval for the nature of some of the signs at the MiM protests? As far as I've heard, he's only said that the Labor Party wasn't formally involved in MiM, but that its a free country and that he wants people to express their views. So has he implicitly ok'd the signs?

So now you want him to voice his disapproval of something on a banner at an event that he had no responsibility for, or involvement in? By the same token, should Abbott spend his time denigrating every right-wing loon that opens their mouth? My point is that the March in March crap and the Ditch the Witch thing are quite different circumstances. In one case, the politician in question was there, right in front of the banners and talking about the target of those banners.

I agree that Abbott has some redeeming features (I believe, for instance that he genuinely does care about the problems facing the indigenous population), but he is also a bully and stated publicly that we shouldn't believe what he has to say if he hasn't had time to script his comments.

I'm no particular fan of Shorten either, for what its worth, but I don't think he has done anything wrong here.
 

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This pilot seems to have the MH370 thing all sorted.
A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN - almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.

Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.

Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.


If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.

Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn't instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.


Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.

Smart pilot. Just didn't have the time.
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TONY Abbott has resisted Coalition rebels and defied criticism from ethnic communities over looming changes to racial discrimination laws by insisting the reforms will “reconcile” support for freedom of speech and the rejection of racism.

Acting to limit Coalition dissent, the Prime Minister intervened in a dispute between his colleagues yesterday to declare the reforms would “proscribe” racial vilification while amending rules that led to the prosecution of News Corp Australia columnist Andrew Bolt.
Mr Abbott tackled the Coalition concerns in a partyroom meeting that heard calls to maintain the section 18C provisions of the Racial Discrimination Act, which make it unlawful to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate a person on the basis of their race.
Mr Abbott issued a firm statement opposing racism but in favour of free speech and amending legislation to prevent a repeat of the 2011 judgment against the popular columnist and broadcaster. The robust discussions followed a report in The Australian yesterday suggesting Attorney-General George Brandis was considering a proposal to remove the words “offend”, “insult” and “humiliate” from 18C but keep “intimidate”, and amend the “good faith” provision in section 18D, a key part of the law that led to the finding against Bolt.
Mr Abbott pledged in 2012 he would amend or repeal 18C “in its current form” if elected.
Queensland backbencher George Christensen and Sydney MP Alex Hawke spoke in support of his stand yesterday. “Freedom of speech is a God-given right - if we don’t allow the things we don’t want to hear, we don’t really believe in free speech at all,” sources claimed Mr Christensen said.
But West Australian Ken Wyatt, the first indigenous member of the House of Representatives with a long association with his home state’s equal opportunity tribunal, warned he could cross the floor if anti-vilification provisions were watered down. Queenslander Ewen Jones backed his stand.
The partyroom clash came as representatives of the indigenous, Greek, Jewish, Chinese, Arab, Armenian and Korean communities expressed their “vehement opposition” to the mooted changes to 18C and D. “These changes would mean that the federal government has decided to license the public humiliation of people because of their race,” the group insisted.
“It would send a signal that people may spout racist abuse in public, no matter how unreasonably and dishonestly. It would be astonishing if an Australian government in the 21st century was prepared to embrace such a morally repugnant position.
“It would be utterly indefensible. The suggestion that section 18D might be amended by deleting the threshold of reasonableness and good faith comes as an especially unpleasant surprise to us.”
The Human Rights Law Centre also spoke against the suggested amendments. “These proposals would substantially weaken the current laws and should be rejected,” executive director Hugh de Kretser said.
Senator Brandis said late yesterday that the government was committed to “rebalancing” the human rights debate in Australia to better protect freedom of speech.
“Accordingly, the government is considering amendments to the Racial Discrimination Act that will strike the right balance between freedom of speech and the need to protect people from racial vilification,” he said.
“Racial vilification will never be acceptable in Australia. However, laws which are designed to prohibit racial vilification should not be used as a vehicle to attack legitimate freedoms of speech.”
Senator Brandis said the government was aware of the concerns among ethnic groups. It had the matter under “active consideration” and would announce a decision shortly.
A Coalition partyroom spokesman said yesterday’s debate was based on speculation rather than any firm knowledge of the government plans.
The spokesman said there was no statement to the meeting from Senator Brandis about amendments to the act, while Mr Abbott did not indicate any timeframe for changes.
The spokesman noted in relation to Mr Wyatt’s comments “there is no commonwealth statute that prohibits racial vilification in those words”.
“At the end of the discussion the Prime Minister addressed the issue and he said everyone in this room believes in freedom of speech,” the spokesman said. “(Mr Abbott) said, ‘Everybody in this room is against racism’, and he said, ‘Everybody in this room thinks Andrew Bolt should not have been prosecuted’.”
The spokesman said Mr Abbott had continued: “This is a debate in which there is a unanimity of opinion about three important values or ideas. The question is how to reconcile those three.”
After the meeting, western Sydney MP Craig Laundy, who had defended Section 18C in the partyroom, told The Australian he was not necessarily opposed to changes to Section 18D. “I don’t have a problem with D being tweaked,” he said.
Section 18C criminalises acts “reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people”. Section 18D ensures that “section 18C does not render unlawful anything said or done reasonably and in good faith”.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-on-free-speech/story-fn59niix-1226858617690#
 

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Tony called the Malaysian PM this morning and briefed parliament about flotsam found SW of Perth, thought to be MH370.

The way the world media are running around with boners over Tony's news, I hope they find it. Otherwise it could be epic fail by the aussies.

We've got an Orion heading our there now, however I suspect that Kevin Rudd will arrive there before anyone.
 

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Tony called the Malaysian PM this morning and briefed parliament about flotsam found SW of Perth, thought to be MH370.

The way the world media are running around with boners over Tony's news, I hope they find it. Otherwise it could be epic fail by the aussies.

We've got an Orion heading our there now, however I suspect that Kevin Rudd will arrive there before anyone.
If they find it do they tow it back to Malaysia?
 
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