The complete end to the ridiculous anti Peachey comments.

[blacktip-reefy]

Gawd you are an idiot.
That is total metres. Not kick return metres.
I will try & get them PJ.
BTW, the stat for Lockyer who plays the same game as Peachey

drum roll

62.2

 

[blacktip-reefy]

& what you rate as an important stat, sorry to inform you, holds very little credibility.

 

[Jimbo]

Sorry I've just been told I woke up a bit cranky

Let me guess.... you were at the Vinyl Room again last night, so you had to chew your arm off?

 

[Dragon Slayer]

Ooooooooooohhhhhh a bit touchy reefy???????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

METRES GAINED CONTAINS KICK RETURNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lockyer plays 5/8 now REMEMBER!!!!!
Peach is that bloke that catches the ball from an opposition kick and trys to make some metres. I think they still call it fullback!!! Lockyer DOESN'T have that privledge anymore!!!!!!!

You wanted to play stats games Reefy!!!

I couldn't believe how shocking the Peach's stats were for metres gained.

It's official we don't have a fullback we have an anchor.......................

Reefy I always know when you've lost a debate because you start calling members names and go off topic.

Thank you for the debate!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[blacktip-reefy]

So you think that your not anti Peachey.

You lose.
One of the main points of this debate was to simultaneously demonstrate Peachey worth & the level of your hate towards peachey.
Is it a black thing?

It's official we don't have a fullback we have an anchor.......................

Pretty much says it all.
Let me intoduce you to Peach sometime.
Also
Lockyer does play 5/8

Our full back plays 2 positions.
Fullback & 5/8th

That is why he is coming 7th in the NRL in try assists

You think your stat proves something ? well news at nine, it doesn't. It would if peach wasn't a prolific try scorer & instigator of trys, line break assists etc.
What he lacks in total metres, he make up for in points for the team.

Metres is irrelvant, the most irrelevant of stats for key play makers.
e.g. Kimmorley 49.6

& I called you an idiot because you are. :lol:

 

[Dragon Slayer]

Your right metres gained counts for nothing for halves and 5/8's.

But big factor for fullbacks.
Peach runs dead last!
DEAD LAST!

Yeah I'm anti Peachey now after those figures. I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM BACK NEXT YEAR!
Great player in the past but he shouldn't be getting any supperannuation money for sentimental reasons.

I'm glad he scored a few tries and set up a heap because he lets in just as many in defence these days or makes a try assist for the opposition with a fumble.
So I guess they all cancel each other out.

Which leaves us METRES GAINED. You want to give Peachey $200-250k for 80 odd metres gained per game?????

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is my last post on this thread.
Once you killed someone you shouldn't mutilate their body!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[blacktip-reefy]

You have been shown up for what you are.
A goose.
declaring victory in a debate because of a metres gained stat which is irrelavant in his role.
You are right I killed you off at the start of this thread, but you persisted. Trying to bite me to death now.

Ohh & BTW , goose, who will play fullback for the Sharks next year if your racist wish comes true.

ps.
NO I would not give Peachey 200-250 for 80m.s
I would give it to him because he makes the team win. Through tries, try assists, defensive orgainsiation, bomb difusals, grubber clean ups etc.etc. etc.
He has stopped more trys than any other fullback in the comp this year.

 

[NthCronullaLocal]

Im on no side here and i respect your view but you gotta look at the whole package DS.
Meters gained make up only a part of Peachey's game. What he lacks there he has made up in other departments. Its the same for all players. I dont think there is anyone in the club that could oust him on his performances this year and i dont think that will be the case next year if he plays on. I dont agree with Reefy that Peach is in the top few fullbacks in the game but you are kidding yourself if you cannot see Peach's value to the team, just his mere presence gives them a boost.
The management share the same view as you and would like to see him retire but it seems that is more due to monetary issues than anything. Peach wants to stay though it seems they are going to try and accomodate him and i hope they do.

 

[++ Gregos v.4]

The fact that DS is even arguing this makes me sick to the stomache..

FFS.. Peachy is worth more to the team and CLUB than any stat will ever show.

Christ almighty, you would even DARE mention Ben Hornby's name in the same sentence as Peachy's? f**k me, Hornby was just the "Matt Geyer" of the '04 series.

Put a stat on loyalty..

Put a stat on the way the other blokes in the team respond to him..

Put a stat on the size of the chode on your forehead.

Gregos - Mad for the first time in a long time.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

Points scored!!!! The fullback can get the team in great table position with points scored, and more importantly into a place where they can win a premiership. The grand final. I'd rate it the top stat to look for in a fullback!

Here's the total points from EVERY fullback in the NRL combining try assists & trys.

Patten 40
Webb 40
Hodgson 40
Minichiello 36
Hornby 36
Slater 36
Hunt 36
Stewart 28
Bowen 24
Schifcofske 20
Wesser 16
McKinnon 12
O'Davis 12
Watts 12

*DRUM ROLL*

Peachey 84 :shock:

thank you linesmen, thank you ballboys.

 

[Rieck_Fan]

Okay I totally believe we should re-sign Peachey (as I have said before) yes as DS has stated he concedes a lot of points and misses tackles etc. but what he adds in attack easily makes up for that. Reefy's stats are good but two thing I think he did miss out on was number of games played by each fullback and defensive stats. Reefy also gave Peachey an extra 3 assissts. According to NRL.com he actually has 11 not 14 and I think he gave Bowen too many points according to his try+assisst system too.

Just to prove to reefy that he made a mistake for once in his life.

Anyway if we use the point system devised by Reefy and then divide that by the number of games each fullback has played we get the following attacking points p/game.

FULLBACK POINTS GAMES ATT.POINTS
Peachey - 72 - 13 - 5.5
Stewart - 28 - 8 - 3.5
Slater - 40 - 12 - 3.3
Hodgson - 44 - 15 - 3.0
Patten - 40 - 14 - 2.9
Hornby - 36 - 13 - 2.8
Hunt - 36 - 13 - 2.8
Minichiello - 36 - 13 - 2.8
Webb - 40 - 15 - 2.7
Bowen - 20 - 10 - 2.0
O'Davis - 12 - 7 - 1.7
Schifcofske - 20 - 14 - 1.4
McKinnon - 12 - 9 - 1.3
Wesser - 16 - 12 - 1.3
Watts - 12 - 11 - 1.1

Peachey is on top by a long distance, showing just how much he does actually add for us in attack and goes a long way to proving how much we do need to get his signature on the dotted line for next year.

If we continue on and look at what DS was saying about the fullbacks defensively yes Peachey does made quite a few mistakes 1.6 errors on an average game and 3.4 missed tackles. If we compare this to the majority of other fullbacks in the NRL whom people often give big credit to their stats on avg. p/game are as follows:

Peachey - 1.6 errors & 3.4 missed tackles
Minichiello - 1.3 erros & 1.8 missed tackles
Hunt - 1.4 errors & 1.6 missed tackles
Hodgson - 1.9 errors & 1.7 missed tackles
Hornby - 1.5 errors & 1.2 missed tackles
Stewart - 1.1 errors & 1.9 missed tackles
Slater - 1.3 errors & 2.3 missed tackles
Wesser - 1.2 errors & 2.1 missed tackles
Schifcofske - 1.0 errors & 1.8 missed tackles

So yes as it can be seen Peachey may be a little behind in his defence (though not by a huge amount). His missed tackle count is probably something we should be a tad worried about but all of this is easily made up for and then some with his attack, his points and his many attacking options that he provides for us every week.

In conclusion...Sign David Peachey for next year! (or somehow find a way to get Brett Stewart)

 

[King of the Hill]

Inner tube rules, OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sheros los Deros]

Give Peach another year. He's a legend of a player and a bloke. Still has plenty to offer the Sharks.

 

[RICHO]

Peachey's missed tackles are usually on a "kick chase". He flies up to get the opposing fullback and misses sometimes.
I can live with that.

Peach SHOULD be signed for next year.

 

[Anonymous]

Rieck Fan - I don't know where Reefer gets his stats... and it would be important to this debate... but don't read anything into NRL.com stats. They are proven to be incorrect.

Case in point: a few weeks back, one of the Roosters forwards was knocked out in the first tackle of the match and took no further part in the game. He was credited with 2 tackles.

Basing an argument on those stats is flimsy at best.

Having said that, I would like to know reefy's source of stats, however I also agree that Peach needs another year at the club.

 

[millersnose]

an interesting debate

Dragon Slayer has done well - he hasnt been reduced to name calling

although i feel peachey should have another year there is an almost godlike hero worship of him from some who cannot see any limitation he has

i do not agree with your conclusion dragon slayer but you bring up some valid points

taking on one of the sacred cows is never popular

 

[Alan Shore]

Peachey also has more missed tackles because he is the only top line defender in the backline. The more tries you have to save, the more chance you have of missing.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

an interesting debate

Dragon Slayer has done well - he hasnt been reduced to name calling

although i feel peachey should have another year there is an almost godlike hero worship of him from some who cannot see any limitation he has

i do not agree with your conclusion dragon slayer but you bring up some valid points

taking on one of the sacred cows is never popular

Millers, in all politeness, he has not done well at all.
All he managed to do is show hatred & dislike for a clubman who continues to serve the club well. & will continue to do so for a few years more.
He claimed & unwarranted victory in a debate in a very condascending manner & in fact was quite wrong in his analysis.
The reference to him being an idiot, was actually quite conservative & fully warranted with his false claim.
Total metres is an irrelevant stat for a ball player, as can be seen with all players total metres.
50-70% of all of the other fullbacks metres would consist of runs "other" than kick returns. These fullbacks have the advantage of being put into running positions by someone like Peach.
Miini for instance. who cannot pass, has Fitler, Finch, Wing & Fitz constantly putting him into gaps. I am shocked his metres aren't 4 times that of peachs. They should be.
As for limitations, of course Peach has them. Noddy has them. Lockyer has them. Johns has them.
This is not about taking on a sacred cow at at all.
It was about supporting one of the Sharks best players against unwarranted attacks from, biased, unqualified & quite frankly , un-Australian individual(s) .

 

[millersnose]

& quite frankly , un-Australian individual(s) .

my god reefy

i almost feel ashamed

no more bagging peachey for me

its ...unaustralian :lol:

 

[PJ]

Millers, in all politeness, he has not done well at all.
All he managed to do is show hatred & dislike for a clubman who continues to serve the club well. & will continue to do so for a few years more.
He claimed & unwarranted victory in a debate in a very condascending manner & in fact was quite wrong in his analysis.
The reference to him being an idiot, was actually quite conservative & fully warranted with his false claim.
Total metres is an irrelevant stat for a ball player, as can be seen with all players total metres.
50-70% of all of the other fullbacks metres would consist of runs "other" than kick returns. These fullbacks have the advantage of being put into running positions by someone like Peach.
Miini for instance. who cannot pass, has Fitler, Finch, Wing & Fitz constantly putting him into gaps. I am shocked his metres aren't 4 times that of peachs. They should be.
As for limitations, of course Peach has them. Noddy has them. Lockyer has them. Johns has them.
This is not about taking on a sacred cow at at all.
It was about supporting one of the Sharks best players against unwarranted attacks from, biased, unqualified & quite frankly , un-Australian individual(s) .

Thus proving why it is completely useless debating yourself.

Any thought that contradicts your own is dismissed without consideration.

Anyone making those comments is dismissed and degraded with comments such as idiot, unqualified etc.

I'm on the same side of the fence you on Peachey but can accept that DS has made some valid points and has reasoned out why he feels the way he does. He is entiltle dto his opinion and I agree with Millers that he has made it well.