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The Dark Knight

Samwise

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kind of.

he was in the comic books and the animated series.

scientist guy who takes some formula and then becomes a giant bat.


I would go with the riddler and catwoman...as after that the bad guys get nore un realistic and less well known.

yeah i'd hope they keep the enemies relatively human. Riddler perhaps, but i'm not a huge fan of Catwoman. If anyone i'm thinking Anarky or Black Mask would be good.
 

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Avoiding this thread like the plague, as Dark Knight doesn't open here until August 7th for some bizarre reason. But just read Ebert's review of the film, and more excited than ever. In general, he's never steered me wrong :lol:

“Batman” isn’t a comic book anymore. Christopher Nolan’s “The Dark Knight” is a haunted film that leaps beyond its origins and becomes an engrossing tragedy. It creates characters we come to care about. That’s because of the performances, because of the direction, because of the writing, and because of the superlative technical quality of the entire production. This film, and to a lesser degree “Iron Man,” redefine the possibilities of the “comic-book movie.” “The Dark Knight” is not a simplistic tale of good and evil. Batman is good, yes, The Joker is evil, yes. But Batman poses a more complex puzzle than usual: The citizens of Gotham City are in an uproar, calling him a vigilante and blaming him for the deaths of policemen and others. And the Joker is more than a villain. He’s a Mephistopheles whose actions are fiendishly designed to pose moral dilemmas for his enemies.
The key performance in the movie is by the late Heath Ledger, as the Joker. Will he become the first posthumous Oscar winner since Peter Finch? His Joker draws power from the actual inspiration of the character in the silent classic “The Man Who Laughs” (1928). His clown's makeup more sloppy than before, his cackle betraying deep wounds, he seeks revenge, he claims, for the horrible punishment his father exacted on him when he was a child. In one diabolical scheme near the end of the film, he invites two ferry-loads of passengers to blow up the other before they are blown up themselves. Throughout the film, he devises ingenious situations that force Batman (Christian Bale), Commissioner Gordon (Gary Oldman) and District Attorney Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) to make impossible ethical decisions. By the end, the whole moral foundation of the Batman legend is threatened.
Because these actors and others are so powerful, and because the movie does not allow its spectacular special effects to upstage the humans, we’re surprised how deeply the drama affects us. Eckhart does an especially good job as Harvey Dent, whose character is transformed by a horrible fate into a bitter monster. It is customary in a comic book movie to maintain a certain knowing distance from the action, to view everything through a sophisticated screen. “The Dark Knight” slips around those defenses and engages us.
Yes, the special effects are extraordinary. They focus on the expected explosions and catastrophes, and have some superb, elaborate chase scenes. The movie was shot on location in Chicago, but it avoids such familiar landmarks as Marina City, the Wrigley Building or the skyline. Chicagoans will recognize many places, notably La Salle Street and Lower Wacker Drive, but director Nolan is not making a travelogue. He presents the city as a wilderness of skyscrapers, and a key sequence is set in the still-uncompleted Trump Tower. Through these heights, the Batman moves at the end of strong wires, or sometimes actually flies, using his cape as a parasail.
The plot involves nothing more or less than the Joker’s attempts to humiliate the forces for good and expose Batman’ secret identity, showing him to be a poser and a fraud. He includes Gordon and Dent on his target list, and contrives cruel tricks to play with the fact that Bruce Wayne once loved, and Harvey Dent now loves, Assistant D.A. Rachel Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal). The tricks are more cruel than he realizes, because the Joker doesn’t know Batman’s identity. Heath Ledger has a good deal of dialogue in the movie, and a lot of it isn’t the usual jabs and jests we’re familiar with: It’s psychologically more complex, outlining the dilemmas he has constructed, and explaining his reasons for them. The screenplay by Christopher Nolan and his brother Jonathan (who first worked together on “Memento”) has more depth and poetry than we might have expected.
Two of the supporting characters are crucial to the action, and are played effortlessly by the great actors Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine. Freeman, as the scientific genius Lucius Fox, is in charge of Bruce Wayne’s underground headquarters, and makes an ethical objection to a method of eavesdropping on all of the citizens of Gotham City. His stand has current political implictions. Caine is the faithful butler Alfred, who understands Wayne better than anybody, and makes a decision about a crucial letter.
Nolan also directed the previous, and excellent, “Batman Begins” (2005), which went into greater detail than ever before about Bruce Wayne’s origins and the reasons for his compulsions. Now it is the Joker’s turn, although his past is handled entirely with dialogue, not flashbacks. There are no references to Batman’s childhood, but we certainly remember it, and we realize that this conflict is between two adults who were twisted by childhood cruelty — one compensating by trying to do good, the other by trying to do evil. Perhaps they instinctively understand that themselves.
Something fundamental seems to be happening in the upper realms of the comic-book movie. “Spider-Man II” (2004) may have defined the high point of the traditional film based on comic-book heroes. A movie like the new “Hellboy II” allows its director free rein for his fantastical visions. But now “Iron Man” and even more so “The Dark Knight” move the genre into deeper waters. They realize, as some comic-book readers instinctively do, that these stories touch on deep fears, traumas, fantasies and hopes. And the Batman legend, with its origins in film noir, is the most fruitful one for exploration.
In his two Batman movies, Nolan has freed the character to be a canvas for a broader scope of human emotion. For Bruce Wayne is a deeply troubled man, let there be no doubt, and if ever in exile from his heroic role, it would not surprise me what he finds himself capable of doing.
 

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Ok I've had a sleep, and have basically thought of nothing else but this movie since I finished watching it yesterday afternoon. It is simply breathtaking.

Bale: May have had the hardest job in the whole cast, plays the 2 roles to perfection, although the cinema I went to may have to look at their sound system, the bass was so high I could hardly hear what Bale was saying as Batman sometimes. Conformation from the missus that he is hot too so he has that going for him lol :p

Caine: Not alot of screentime but all class as expected.

Freeman: See Caine.

Oldman: Geez this guy must be close to the greatest actor of the last 15-20 years IMO.

Gyllenhaal: As someone said before she was probably the weakest of an ensemble cast, having said that
I'm kind of glad she got iced.

Eckhart: Played Dent beautifully, so well in fact I found it a little hard to accept him as Two-Face.

Ledger: Hard to compare I know as they are completely different movies that are 20-odd years apart, but Heath Ledger's Joker truly makes Jack Nicholson's Joker look like the Cookie Monster, he made you believe he was really twisted and feared no-one or nothing. His constant licking of his lips got to me, it was off-putting to say the least. A job well done by an actor who looks like he was just hitting his straps.

A great flick that may well come into contention for other Oscars besides (hopefully) Ledger. I'm on holidays next week, I'll be heading back to watch it again.
 

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'Dark Knight' Nabs Biggest Debut Ever

Batman and the Joker led a record-breaking box-office weekend, which also featured a history-making performance by ''Mamma Mia!''

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THE DARK KNIGHT Heath Ledger's Joker can take a victory lap after his film blew open the record book at the box office this weekend

By Joshua Rich


Joshua Rich Joshua Rich is a staff editor for EW.com

Holy blockbuster, Batman! The Dark Knight grossed a behemoth $155.3 million from Friday through Sunday, according to early estimates, to score the biggest three-day opening in box-office history, while leading the way on a weekend for the record books.

The second Batman movie from star Christian Bale and director Christopher Nolan finished at No. 1 (as anticipated, duh!), and, assuming the early estimates hold, it set new standards in just about every category imaginable. It scored the biggest three-day opening weekend of all time (beating Spider-Man 3's $151.1 mil bow). It achieved the best opening day and single day in history ($66.4 mil, shattering Spider-Man 3's mark of $59.8 mil). It brought in the most money from Friday midnight shows of any release ever ($18.5 mil, passing Star Wars: Episode III — Revenge of the Sith's $16.9 mil). It banked a record $6.2 mil from 94 IMAX venues over the weekend (Spider-Man 3 had the old record, $4.7 mil). And it did it all with the biggest theater count, 4,366 locations, of all time.

Oh, but for Bale, Nolan, costars Maggie Gyllenhaal and the late Heath Ledger, Warner Bros., DC Comics, and everybody else involved (all of whom scored career-best bows, naturally), things get even better. The Dark Knight is already more than three-quarters of the way to passing the $205.3 mil that 2005's Batman Begins earned during its entire domestic run. This followup film also drew raves from ticket buyers, scoring a solid A CinemaScore review from a crowd that skewed slightly male and older. And if you add that to the critical coos that The Dark Knight had already been earning, as well as the fact that it's really the last mega-blockbuster movie to hit the multiplex this summer, the film should continue its remarkable run for weeks to come.

As it happened, The Dark Knight wasn't the only record breaker at the box office this weekend. By coming in at No. 2 with $27.6 mil, Mamma Mia! set a new mark for the biggest premiere ever for a movie musical, if that early estimate holds (Hairspray banked $27.5 mil on its first weekend a year ago). That total also passes the $27.5 mil that star Meryl Streep's The Devil Wears Prada earned in its debut two summers back, and it can be credited to the same crowd: older women. Yep, a whopping three-quarters of the film's audience was ladies, and 64 percent was over the age of 30. But they loved Mamma Mia!, and along with the few fellas who also came to see Pierce Brosnan in the Broadway adaptation, they gave it a nice A- CinemaScore grade.

Mamma Mia! and The Dark Knight accounted for nearly 75 percent of all box-office revenue this weekend, so there was little money to go around for the rest of the movies in release. Hancock (No. 3) fell 56 percent to bank $14 mil. Journey to the Center of the Earth (No. 4) dropped an expected 43 percent to earn $11.9 mil. Hellboy II: The Golden Army fell a colossal 71 percent to earn just $10 mil, after bowing at No. 1 last time around. (That ranks among the 40 worst second-weekend declines in history, ouch!) And newcomer Space Chimps (No. 7) failed to take off, with a mere $7.4 mil.

The success stories continued in America's art houses where the Sundance thriller Transsiberian averaged a sweet $17,608 in two venues.
Overall, the cumulative box office set yet another record: The weekend's $253 mil total domestic gross was the biggest three-day sum in history (smashing the mark of $218 mil, from the first frame of July 2006, when Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest led the way). Needless to say, the box office was up an eye-popping 64 percent from a year ago. And, needless to say, with Batman protecting them even more than before, everyone in Hollywood will sleep well tonight.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213630,00.html
 

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Momentum builds for Ledger Oscar nomination
July 13, 2008

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Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight



The momentum is building in Hollywood for Heath Ledger to be awarded an Oscar for his riveting performance as the make-up smudged psychopath, The Joker, in the new Batman film.

The late Australian actor has at least one vote from the Academy's 6,000 or so members.

Ledger's The Dark Knight co-star, British actor Michael Caine, says that at the very least Ledger should receive a best supporting actor nomination.
"I was stunned by his performance," Caine, a double Oscar winner and member of the Academy, told reporters in Los Angeles today.
"I was absolutely stunned by it."

The last actor to win a posthumous Oscar was Peter Finch in 1976 for Network.

Caine, 73, said he did not participate in rehearsals with Ledger before filming began on The Dark Knight, so in the first scene they shared together his jaw hit the floor when Ledger transformed into The Joker.
The scene involved The Joker gatecrashing a black tie party.

What shocked Caine the most was that he was chatting with Ledger quietly before the scene and the Australian was quietly spoken, but when director Christopher Nolan called "action", Ledger instantly switched into the slithering, despicable killer.

"I think it's a performance, at a minimum, that is going to get a posthumous Oscar nomination," Caine, who reprises his role as Bruce Wayne's butler, Alfred Pennyworth, said.

"It must do."
"That performance was extraordinary."
"You look at Heath, or you talk to Heath, and you don't know where the performance comes from."
"It's not like he's a big, noisy character or anything."
"He's just a very nice guy and then suddenly action is called on set and bang!"

"You think: 'Wow'."

"I was knocked over by it."
Ledger, 28, died in January in his Manhattan apartment from an accidental overdose of prescription drugs.

The 81st Academy Awards will be held in Hollywood on February 22.

The Dark Knight opens in Australia this Wednesday (July 16).
AAP

http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/mom...scar-nomination/2008/07/13/1215887434112.html
 

Tommy Smith

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Saw it again yesterday.

And despite it's two hour and twenty minute length i wasn't bored at any point. Just an amazing movie, which as Roger Ebert said, was about so much more than just your typical superhero movie. Its themes and character complexities are universal, hence its broad appeal.

It was worth seeing again just for Ledger's performance and the pencil scene.
 
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Man i loved that scene of him hanging out the car window... just delighting in his madness. I gotta go see it again
 

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I disagree .. I think Ledger proved the Joker works as a dark soul first, funny man second. Which is the genius of his performance. You get sucked into seeing the sick, twisted, pathetic excuse for a human being the Joker is.. then he makes you laugh. And that's the moment you realise that on some level, you almost *get* his demented nature.

How many actors around these days can pull that off?

I think emile hurch could pull it off, he's a very decent actor and looks a bit like heath as well.

Needs to look a little older though, even if it was only for a scene or two to tie it up.

I don't think Dent is gone anyway, look through the movie, marioni said you can't die from 4 floor drop, and batman said he is counting on it, batman also fell the distance and survived with dent which was also a 4 floor drop.

There was something else that was said as well that make me believe he isn't dead, when i think of it i will post.
 

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Saw it on Saturday night. Phenomenal all around. Have to see it again as there was a lot to take in for a nearly 3 hour movie.

Ledger brilliant but I cannot wait for the next one... should be interesting as Batman (drag for spoilers) doesn't seem to have any friends left at the end of Dark Knight!
 

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Oh, and that scene and that line from Lucius Fox when they guy is trying to bribe Fox/ Bruce Wayne. Absolute classic Morgan Freeman moment

And the Joker's disappearing pencil trick! :lol: :clap:
 

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Just read some interesting speculation as to who will be the next villain

Does Mr Reece (the guy who works for Bruce and tries to blackmail him) = Mys-ter-ees = Mysterious = Riddler ?
 

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Just read some interesting speculation as to who will be the next villain

Does Mr Reece (the guy who works for Bruce and tries to blackmail him) = Mys-ter-ees = Mysterious = Riddler ?
Interesting lol.
 

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I think it's a bit of a reach, but well worth thinking about and well come up with.

Emile Hirsch is a fair actor, but would he be playing the Joker, or playing Heath Ledger playing the Joker. I think the character would be best left alone. I applaud anyone ballsy enough to take on that role now.

I actually expected Rutger Hauer (Mr. Earle - CEO of Wayne Enterprises) to make an appearance in TDK, seeing as he exited Batman Begins in an unhappy fashion. I thought he may want to exact some form of revenge on Bruce Wayne or at the very least Fox.
 

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Also another small point when he was getting his new armour he asked if it was CAT and dog proof
catwoman maybe hahaha

*EDIT* Don't forget the spoiler tags please, not everyone has seen it yet. :cool:
 
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