The Forbidden Game-insightful book on what has & can happen

[LJC]

Out of the dribble that you provide I think your question(that you seem to always refer to) was relating to facts about the repression of RL.

Once again, I will point out that their have been many contributions showing the underhanded and deceitful acts against RL throughout this thread.

I do not like going back to information that has been clearly provided by numerous other contributors to this thread.

Read the contributions. Theirs your answer!

 

[LJC]

I don't need to mention the acts of repression against Rugby League because you lot are already doing it, and there are many incidences of them.

I purely wanted to make you aware that RL was not 100% innocent, which has seemed to be a hard pill to swallow, but needs to be accepted and understood so that RL itself can learn from its errors in the past. The few times RL has acted aggressively towards Rugby Union has sometimes lead to some of the repressive acts committed by RU against RL. Why is this so hard to understand?

The Forbidden Game is an extreme example, which I have said all along. It;s extreme. It's isolated. It cannot be used to describe normal behaviour because it isn't.

The blurb on the back of the book even states that it is extreme, if you take the time to read it yourself. I have already said this and responded to it previously. You just ignored it as per usual.

Example none the less and the "extreme" word is used in the context of how far such administrators/officials will go to stop RL or whatever sport. Their are other examples of equally extreme measures in South Africa (without NAZI invasion in place-eg: seizing of grounds and black listing of players and the elimination of individuals that have tried to grow RL etc) I would also think that not allowing a touring RL team to get off the plane and play a game of RL in Morocco and Lebanon over the past 2 years might point to some sought of extremism? And their are many more examples.

You begrudgingly refer to us (the many contributors of repression examples) as " you lot". Perhaps you might show a better regard for fans of the game that choose to elaborate and inform of the widespread repression that has and is taking place against RL.

Spare us the details about what minimal damage RL has done toward RU.

At least we agree that the RU side of the repression ledger is well and truly loaded! For this I am grateful you have clearly acknowledged.

So lets be positive and look to identify and make known the repressive doings against our great game.

The game is worth it!

 

[Te Kaha]

Out of the dribble that you provide I think your question(that you seem to always refer to) was relating to facts about the repression of RL.

Once again, I will point out that their have been many contributions showing the underhanded and deceitful acts against RL throughout this thread.

I do not like going back to information that has been clearly provided by numerous other contributors to this thread.

Read the contributions. Theirs your answer!

All you needed to say is that you are a liar and don't have any evidence to support your point of view.

Your entire waffle about "friends in high places" and "private school" conspiracies cant explain why League isn't more popular in countries where neither exist.. yet you still maintain they do... that is just flat out stupid.

The easiest and obviously correct reason, is that like anything else on this planet, not everyone loves or even likes League... and many who have neither been to private school or been influenced by "friends in high places" simply just prefer Rugby to League... the sooner you get that through your extremely thick head, the happier you will be.

 

[mikeob]

And from this weeks Bay of Plenty Times in NZ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11151852

 

[madunit]

Example none the less and the "extreme" word is used in the context of how far such administrators/officials will go to stop RL or whatever sport.

No it's not an example of how far administrators will go, it's an example of how far a disgraced and discredited body did go. Once. Hence why it's called 'extreme'. If it wasn't the only extreme case, it wouldn't be called extreme.

Their are other examples of equally extreme measures in South Africa (without NAZI invasion in place-eg: seizing of grounds and black listing of players and the elimination of individuals that have tried to grow RL etc) I would also think that not allowing a touring RL team to get off the plane and play a game of RL in Morocco and Lebanon over the past 2 years might point to some sought of extremism? And their are many more examples.

They are bad, no doubt, but they are a long way from being as extreme as what happened at Vichy. Only an idiot would fail to agree with that. No country's Rugby League had ever or has ever since suffered what the French did at Vichy.

Hence why it's extreme.

Hence why it's isolated.

But as I've said numerously, it doesn't mean other bad things haven't happened to RL. You cannot use Vichy as the norm. It just isn't.

You begrudgingly refer to us (the many contributors of repression examples) as " you lot".

Reading into things. I'll disregard your emotional drivel.

Perhaps you might show a better regard for fans of the game that choose to elaborate and inform of the widespread repression that has and is taking place against RL.

You'll be given the higher regard and respect when you start showing it. I have had a few of you ignorant people attempting to insult me simply because I have accepted that the game of Rugby League that I love, has indeed done wrongs in the past. We can't move forward and grow and better the game if we can't, as a whole (fans, administrators etc) recognise and accept that. RU types will never do it because they've been playing the victim card for so long, they've become blinded by their own ignorance. Sadly it seems, there are RL people who are just the same.

Spare us the details about what minimal damage RL has done toward RU.

Yes, lets not let facts get in the way here. You were hell bent on carrying out a 'RL is the poor victim' rant when it's just not true. I stated facts to prove it wasn't the case. That's all they were. You decided, stupidly and incorrectly, that I was an apologist for RU, when all I did was provide facts.

At least we agree that the RU side of the repression ledger is well and truly loaded! For this I am grateful you have clearly acknowledged.

I have acknowledged this repeatedly, ad-nauseum, throughout this thread. The fact you have only seen this now shows just how ignorant and stupid you truly are.

So lets be positive and look to identify and make known the repressive doings against our great game.

The game is worth it!

As I have been doing throughout this thread.

We cannot move forward positively if we don't accept our past wrongs (no matter how big or small). We must learn from them and be better.

And as I've said a few times already, we need our games governing body to be much much stronger. For too long when RU has pushed back against RL and we let them get away with it. Instead of RU forcing individual RL bodies to fight and scrap for any little recognition in each country, the RLIF should be right behind every country with all it has to help them out. The current method of letting them all fight for years with little advancements does little good.

 

[LJC]

I see MU is back to his paraphrasing out of context tricks again!

Your other mate is not a genuine fan.

You have seen the examples and even rate them by "extremes".

It's a bit rich from a dude whom originally denied repression has taken place against RL!

Read the thread!

The evidence is there!

 

[Te Kaha]

Watch out!.. those "private school" "friends in high places" you seem to think exist will be coming to get you...

 

[thorson1987]

I see MU is back to his paraphrasing out of context tricks again!

Your other mate is not a genuine fan.

You have seen the examples and even rate them by "extremes".

It's a bit rich from a dude whom originally denied repression has taken place against RL!

Read the thread!

The evidence is there!

f**k me there are some pretty thick people on here but you really take the cake.

Where has MU denied repression against Rugby League.

 

[madunit]

I see MU is back to his paraphrasing out of context tricks again!

Your other mate is not a genuine fan.

You have seen the examples and even rate them by "extremes".

It's a bit rich from a dude whom originally denied repression has taken place against RL!

Read the thread!

The evidence is there!

I have never denied that there has been no repression against RL.

Stop lying.

There is only one extreme example. Vichy. Nothing else comes close. That is a fact.

There are many other acts of repression against RL, but none of them are close to Vichy.

 

[LJC]

I have never denied that there has been no repression against RL.

Stop lying.

There is only one extreme example. Vichy. Nothing else comes close. That is a fact.

There are many other acts of repression against RL, but none of them are close to Vichy.

I think we can see whom the real liar in this thread is;

You have emphatically said "No." in a paraphrase answering to the question I posited to you.

The question was "Do you believe that their has been and is repression against the game of RL?"

Your answer of "No." appears in response number 57 of this thread to the above question! The response is dated on 12/7/13 at 1.19pm. Go figure champ!

You are clearly out of order and credibility but guess that can't stop your rants anyway!

Yourself, Te Kaha, Magpie 4Ever have a poor understanding of the issues facing RL. I have merely pointed out the main reason a great sport(RL) is not more worldwide than a more outdated and less attractive form of rugby. Even this you "so called fans" won't accept.

Shame on you!

 

[madunit]

ahh, taking my words out of context to suit your argument I see.

Proving yet again, that you only read what you want to and ignore everything that you don't like.

Rugby League is a great sport, but the reason it's not more worldwide known isn't purely because of Rugby Union or repression, but because of nearsighted officials. It took until 1934 for a RL columnist and official from Brisbane to take the game to France. It was another 20 years before anyone took the game further, first to the USA and then to Italy. But it was never followed up on. A decade later it went to South Africa, but again wasn't supported (although the South African game did face bigger issues such as apartheid and some RU repression).

But the most common issue in all that was an International body that failed to try and expand the game's horizons.

Even when the French put forward the idea of a World Cup (the second time around), 2 of the 4 test playing nations opposed it.

The fact you want to blame all of RL's hardships, downfalls and shortcomings on RU repression is purely stupidity.

Yes, RU repression has taken place and it has played a part (in some countries, a major part) in RL failing to get off the ground. But the Games governing body has done sweet f**k all to support these countries when they were struggling and needed assistance.

Even when the game took off in France in the 30's, it got no international support. It succeeded because of RU's own inept management, and Jean Galia. The players and the fans were sick of seeing the only international being a bloodbath against a paltry German side who barely understood the game.

After Vichy, the RL international body did very little to help France get back on its feet.

This is the biggest issue in our games past and future, is it's inaction and inability to push the game further while at the same time supporting and defending emerging nations when they need it.

So I disagree the RU repression is the main reason why the game isn't more widely known. I will agree that it has played a part in some nations though, that cannot be argued. But poor management with RL are the biggest issue.

Even today, the NRL and the Superleague seemingly have more power than the RLIF. The NRL's shoulder ban decision was adopted worldwide within a number of days after the NRL introduced it.

 

[supercharger]

Well said MU, agree 100%.

 

[Te Kaha]

Yourself, Te Kaha, Magpie 4Ever have a poor understanding of the issues facing RL. I have merely pointed out the main reason a great sport(RL) is not more worldwide than a more outdated and less attractive form of rugby. Even this you "so called fans" won't accept.

You are wrong... just plain wrong. You arent a catholic are you? because your dogma sounds a lot like it.

Your blind faith in League cant allow you to accept that not everybody in the world even likes League. You cant answer the simple question as to why Rugby is more popular in some countries where there is no rugby "private school" sytem or where there are no Rugby "friends in high places" and there are LOTS of those locations.

The reason you cant is that your ego wont let you admit that your argument is seriously and hopelessly flawed. Especially when there is a much more accurate and realistic reason... Personal taste.

 

[LJC]

RUs friends in high places certainly exist a lot more than for RL!

You only have to look at the code of rugby being played in the university education system to work out one code is getting a head start over the other!

Look at the US. Many Universities play RU but have not heard of RL. Wonder why?
Has it something to do with the education of people within those institutions. I'd say many have been through school systems that do not give RL a chance to be played. This is not just a phenomenon in the US, it is world wide.

The fact that most private schools do not have RL is to the detriment of RL and the benefit of RU. These people are mostly wealthy and have the top end of town influence as well.

If you don't think that an elitist education that propagates RU over the code of RL is not an advantage to RU then you keep going on your merry way.

Many people have noted within this thread. that " If you are considered fans of the game then we could do without you." I don't mind the discussion and MU's latest contribution shows constructive comment.

I agree that poor administration is another cause for a lack of RL growth and am very impressed that MU has noted this and I believe this is the most worthwhile thing he has contributed.

Nevertheless, no other sport has had to endure the repression that RL has suffered and this I believe is the major issue for the game and its growth.

It is a game that far exceeds RU in entertainment and participation value, so yes poor administration and repressive tactics against the game have significantly negated RLs presence and growth in many parts of the world.

I'll put it to you if RL did have genuine "friends in high places", I don't think RU would be about for too much longer! This logic I believe backs this almost 'apartheid like treatment' of RL in many places around the world by authorities, educational institutions and, of course, people of influence and making big end of town decisions. The many examples within this thread show that their is extensive repression of RL and not of RU!

MU is right that poor administration within RL is partly to blame but the game can definitely do without "big brother RU" doing its dirty work!

 

[madunit]

Poor administration is largely to blame.

Think about it, if we had good administration since day 1, they would've stood up to an repression tactics. The reason why repression occurred is because the administrators let it.

 

[Te Kaha]

RUs friends in high places certainly exist a lot more than for RL!

You only have to look at the code of rugby being played in the university education system to work out one code is getting a head start over the other!

Look at the US. Many Universities play RU but have not heard of RL. Wonder why?
Has it something to do with the education of people within those institutions. I'd say many have been through school systems that do not give RL a chance to be played. This is not just a phenomenon in the US, it is world wide.

The fact that most private schools do not have RL is to the detriment of RL and the benefit of RU. These people are mostly wealthy and have the top end of town influence as well.

If you don't think that an elitist education that propagates RU over the code of RL is not an advantage to RU then you keep going on your merry way.

Many people have noted within this thread. that " If you are considered fans of the game then we could do without you." I don't mind the discussion and MU's latest contribution shows constructive comment.

I agree that poor administration is another cause for a lack of RL growth and am very impressed that MU has noted this and I believe this is the most worthwhile thing he has contributed.

Nevertheless, no other sport has had to endure the repression that RL has suffered and this I believe is the major issue for the game and its growth.

It is a game that far exceeds RU in entertainment and participation value, so yes poor administration and repressive tactics against the game have significantly negated RLs presence and growth in many parts of the world.

I'll put it to you if RL did have genuine "friends in high places", I don't think RU would be about for too much longer! This logic I believe backs this almost 'apartheid like treatment' of RL in many places around the world by authorities, educational institutions and, of course, people of influence and making big end of town decisions. The many examples within this thread show that their is extensive repression of RL and not of RU!

MU is right that poor administration within RL is partly to blame but the game can definitely do without "big brother RU" doing its dirty work!

Serious question... are you geniused? do you have some sort of mental illness? How can you dribble all that and STILL not explain how League isnt the dominant sport in countries where there is NO "private school" system, where rugby could NOT POSSIBLY have ANY "friends in high places"??

You cant even admit that the main reason League isnt the NO1 code all over the world is that not everybody likes it.

 

[magpie4ever]

RUs friends in high places certainly exist a lot more than for RL!

You only have to look at the code of rugby being played in the university education system to work out one code is getting a head start over the other!

Look at the US. Many Universities play RU but have not heard of RL. Wonder why?
Has it something to do with the education of people within those institutions. I'd say many have been through school systems that do not give RL a chance to be played. This is not just a phenomenon in the US, it is world wide.

The fact that most private schools do not have RL is to the detriment of RL and the benefit of RU. These people are mostly wealthy and have the top end of town influence as well.

If you don't think that an elitist education that propagates RU over the code of RL is not an advantage to RU then you keep going on your merry way.

Many people have noted within this thread. that " If you are considered fans of the game then we could do without you." I don't mind the discussion and MU's latest contribution shows constructive comment.

I agree that poor administration is another cause for a lack of RL growth and am very impressed that MU has noted this and I believe this is the most worthwhile thing he has contributed.

Nevertheless, no other sport has had to endure the repression that RL has suffered and this I believe is the major issue for the game and its growth.

It is a game that far exceeds RU in entertainment and participation value, so yes poor administration and repressive tactics against the game have significantly negated RLs presence and growth in many parts of the world.

I'll put it to you if RL did have genuine "friends in high places", I don't think RU would be about for too much longer! This logic I believe backs this almost 'apartheid like treatment' of RL in many places around the world by authorities, educational institutions and, of course, people of influence and making big end of town decisions. The many examples within this thread show that their is extensive repression of RL and not of RU!

MU is right that poor administration within RL is partly to blame but the game can definitely do without "big brother RU" doing its dirty work!

As said, you are a dribbler.

Rugby Union is played in many US universities because the North-East Universities (typically, around Boston) remained tied to British traditions after independence and the only rugby code from that time was rugby, not because of friends in high places or elitism - you are a f**kwit who keeps sprouting the same shit but will not take any extra steps to demand action, if current examples of repression against league exist.

Give yourself a f**king uppercut, dropkick.

 

[LJC]

Serious question... are you geniused? do you have some sort of mental illness? How can you dribble all that and STILL not explain how League isnt the dominant sport in countries where there is NO "private school" system, where rugby could NOT POSSIBLY have ANY "friends in high places"??

You cant even admit that the main reason League isnt the NO1 code all over the world is that not everybody likes it.

You're a rock solid "fan" aren't you?

I actually think that RL is the most underrated football code on the planet and I do believe that both RL and soccer deserve status as the premier football codes of the world. One has had a fairly easy path to expansion and popularity and the other has had to endure many obstacles!

Go figure you spastic. (Couldn't help myself you have deserved that and more over this thread-some fan you are! You are a pitiful example of a RL supporter if that's what you consider yourself as)Go back under your rock you TROLL!

A sport such as soccer has been given the chance to grow without 'repression' whereas RL has not!

 

[madunit]

Soccer has had more time to establish itself than any rugby code. Its also got great administration in stark contrast to RL.

 

[Te Kaha]

You're a rock solid "fan" aren't you?

I actually think that RL is the most underrated football code on the planet and I do believe that both RL and soccer deserve status as the premier football codes of the world. One has had a fairly easy path to expansion and popularity and the other has had to endure many obstacles!

Go figure you spastic. (Couldn't help myself you have deserved that and more over this thread-some fan you are! You are a pitiful example of a RL supporter if that's what you consider yourself as)Go back under your rock you TROLL!

A sport such as soccer has been given the chance to grow without 'repression' whereas RL has not!

So you are stating your opinions as fact now?? you cant get more pathetic than that.

What you "think" is totally irrelevant to 99.9999999999 recuring % of the population. What is reality is much more relevant. And the reality of it is, the main reason why League isnt the dominant code on the planet is that not everybody likes it.

You cant even explain why league, in its no1 country, can only get TV figures which are a very good indication of support, less than five million in a country of 22 million odd.