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The Freshen Up Worked Wonders.

bartman

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it sounds like mortimer has been shoved down ando's throat wether he likews it or not.
This is my reading of the situation too.

I suspect the coach hasn't exactly had a lack of interference in his selection policy, and that he isn't even in charge of recruitment and retention. All speculation of course... :sarcasm:
 

Eelementary

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He wasn't outstanding by any means, but I didn't think he was that bad. He threatened to break the line a few times (he even did once or twice) and his kicking game, while still erratic, showed glimpses of goodness. He got a penalty for us.

To be honest I thought Keating was worse. Considering he was supposed to be the halfback, all he really did was dummy and run. Dummy and run. Kick for himself. Dummy and run. His pass to Horo was a beauty, other than that...
 

bartman

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:lol:. With each post you're building a very convincing case that he should be in the pack next year!
 

Joely01

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Hate to approach a taboo subject but.......
Hindy was lazy in defense
Hayne was lazy in defense.

f**k me, my childhood hero in Hindy playing lazy in an important game, shattered atm.
f**k me, one of the brightest talents to grace us since Kenny, also lazy. Tip of the iceberg right there.
Hit the nail on the head.
Everyone out there tonight was down no-one put their hand up lead the team.
Everyone seems to be easy picking morts, mk and tahu but tell me one player last night who deserved anything higher then a 7 for their game last night? no-one does.
Morts for mine was alot better he was getting hammered by burgess and allways got up.
Yes he isnt playing as good as last year but last year no-one knew about him and defense didnt know what to do when he had the ball, this year teams are actually studying his play and not giving him any room at all, surely having a team studying the way you play shows some people on here that morts has talent. The problem for him now is to work more things into his attack to out smart the defense something that takes a while to do and to perfect.
All i know is that morts isnt the reason we sucked this year, there was 24 or something other players who put the jersey on at some point of the year and takes the blame as well. We didnt play with heart this year, wait one game against storm we did.
 

Eelementary

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:lol:. With each post you're building a very convincing case that he should be in the pack next year!

Me? Or Maroubra Eel?

For the record I am not saying he was good, but IMO he wasn't that bad last night. To me he looked sharp.

I will agree he had no genuine passing game and his kicking game didn't really do much, but he looked sharp on his feet IMO.

He should still be playing for Wenty until he gets form back, though. But IMO he wasn't as horrible as you all claim.
 

Eelementary

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Hate to approach a taboo subject but.......
Hindy was lazy in defense
Hayne was lazy in defense.

f**k me, my childhood hero in Hindy playing lazy in an important game, shattered atm.
f**k me, one of the brightest talents to grace us since Kenny, also lazy. Tip of the iceberg right there.

Love Hindy. He's a legend.

But you're 100% correct. He was un-Hindy-like last night.
 

Maroubra Eel

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His pinpoint bombs deserve a mention. It's the key to why our high flying backs score so many tries and force repeat sets from outstanding bombs.
 

boxhead

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Maroubra, honestly, STFU.
It isn't funny. Great work trying to actually help one of our younger players.

Way I see it, people saying he doesn't deserve anything but yet last night he played with more heart than anyone else speaks for itself; he deserves a lot more than the players who don't give a sh*t.

"Hit the nail on the head.
Everyone out there tonight was down no-one put their hand up lead the team.
Everyone seems to be easy picking morts, mk and tahu but tell me one player last night who deserved anything higher then a 7 for their game last night? no-one does.
Morts for mine was alot better he was getting hammered by burgess and allways got up.
Yes he isnt playing as good as last year but last year no-one knew about him and defense didnt know what to do when he had the ball, this year teams are actually studying his play and not giving him any room at all, surely having a team studying the way you play shows some people on here that morts has talent. The problem for him now is to work more things into his attack to out smart the defense something that takes a while to do and to perfect.
All i know is that morts isnt the reason we sucked this year, there was 24 or something other players who put the jersey on at some point of the year and takes the blame as well. We didnt play with heart this year, wait one game against storm we did."

The best post in this whole thread. Someone actually listing ways for Mortimer to improve, and a very good point; teams this year have spent tonnes of time figuring out how to shut him down (obviously it has worked) which shows that they know that if they don't properly plan for him, like with Hayne or Feleti, he can tear teams apart (as he has proved at times this season and all of last season).
Seriously though, some people here are really spoiled. You all sound like the NSW selectors; chop and change! Don't stick with or help people who are struggling, let's just make fun of them :lol:

Some people here are really amusing....

Also, I could tell you that if all of our players played with heart of little Mortimer and Hindmarsh, we would definitely be in the top four instead of being the most inconsistent team in the NRL.
 

Eelementary

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Maroubra, honestly, STFU.
It isn't funny. Great work trying to actually help one of our younger players.

Way I see it, people saying he doesn't deserve anything but yet last night he played with more heart than anyone else speaks for itself; he deserves a lot more than the players who don't give a sh*t.

"Hit the nail on the head.
Everyone out there tonight was down no-one put their hand up lead the team.
Everyone seems to be easy picking morts, mk and tahu but tell me one player last night who deserved anything higher then a 7 for their game last night? no-one does.
Morts for mine was alot better he was getting hammered by burgess and allways got up.
Yes he isnt playing as good as last year but last year no-one knew about him and defense didnt know what to do when he had the ball, this year teams are actually studying his play and not giving him any room at all, surely having a team studying the way you play shows some people on here that morts has talent. The problem for him now is to work more things into his attack to out smart the defense something that takes a while to do and to perfect.
All i know is that morts isnt the reason we sucked this year, there was 24 or something other players who put the jersey on at some point of the year and takes the blame as well. We didnt play with heart this year, wait one game against storm we did."

The best post in this whole thread. Someone actually listing ways for Mortimer to improve, and a very good point; teams this year have spent tonnes of time figuring out how to shut him down (obviously it has worked) which shows that they know that if they don't properly plan for him, like with Hayne or Feleti, he can tear teams apart (as he has proved at times this season and all of last season).
Seriously though, some people here are really spoiled. You all sound like the NSW selectors; chop and change! Don't stick with or help people who are struggling, let's just make fun of them :lol:

Some people here are really amusing....

Also, I could tell you that if all of our players played with heart of little Mortimer and Hindmarsh, we would definitely be in the top four instead of being the most inconsistent team in the NRL.

I think it's quite harsh, actually. It's one thing to bag out someone like Finchy - he's already in his mid-twenties and has a lot of experience. But to crucify a young kid who busts a gut but is ineffective due to a large number of reasons...I thought we were supposed to all be Eels fans here? And last I checked, Daniel Mortimer is an Eel. And when he was tossing up whether to stay here or go to the DOGEEZ BRA!!!!, many here were freaking out that he would leave.

Bah.
 

Maroubra Eel

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I get the impression quite a few of our players realise it's futile playing without halves. Like a car without a steering wheel. Waste of time.
 

boxhead

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I think it's quite harsh, actually. It's one thing to bag out someone like Finchy - he's already in his mid-twenties and has a lot of experience. But to crucify a young kid who busts a gut but is ineffective due to a large number of reasons...I thought we were supposed to all be Eels fans here? And last I checked, Daniel Mortimer is an Eel. And when he was tossing up whether to stay here or go to the DOGEEZ BRA!!!!, many here were freaking out that he would leave.

Bah.

Perfectly agree. Says a lot about supposed 'fans' here.

"IT is harsh but its a business and he should not be considered for nrl again has got nothing ."

Wow. Tell that to every team that does their level best to shut him down.
Tell that to him after what he did individually last year.

There is no player in Rugby League that has got 'nothing'. The issue with Mortimer this year is that he has been forced to play a style of game he will never adapt to; moving him to halfback was a terrible decision, when he is clearly too young and lacking the halfback skills to wear the number 7 and be given all responsibility for organising our team. You look at the average age a halfback debuts, it it is around 23 or so, and these players usually play halfback through their whole education.
Mortimer is 21, and has never played halfback before.

Pretty obvious what the problem with Mortimer is....

But let's look at his strengths;
STRENGTHS
Easily the toughest young player in the NRL. -something that is very important in RL
A good defender given his size. -something that is very important in RL
Never say die attitude. -possibly THE most important thing in RL
More heart than any other young player I have seen. -obviously very important in RL.
A good short-kicking game, if you want evidence of this watch video highlights of him from this year or last year to see that when it works, it has brilliant results; his grubber and chip-kicks for himself when he is on are brilliant. -a very good attacking attribute, one that is typical of a GOOD FIVE-EIGHTH.
Brilliant support-running and good running game. When he is playing his natural game at FIVE-EIGHTH and on song, Mortimer cuts through defenders with relative ease, and he is extremely fast off the mark. If you had him at five-eighth with Cooper Cronk at halfback, he would be the Eels version of Billy Slater (the Cronk/Slater combo).

Those last points tell you immediately what his best position is. Why he was moved to halfback is beyond me. That is a decision the coach made, and it is quite obviously why Mortimer has struggled so badly this year (that and opposition teams have figured out how to defend against him and shut him down). When you look at the games this year when he has played his best, it has been when he has been allowed to play his natural supporting game; his chip-kick try against the Sharks should tell you that, plus his short grubbers for himself last year were fantastic.

What do you notice about this year, that he hasn't been doing? He hasn't been doing chip-kicking or played a support-player role at all, thus quite OBVIOUSLY the reason he is struggling. Whenever you take a player away from their natural game, especially when they are that young, it can have dire consequences. Of course Mortimer is in a form slump, but I bet he would be playing so much better if Anderson had let him play at five-eighth.

What did last night show? He played five-eighth, showed more heart than any other player and was actually one of our better players that night in a sh*t team.
So before you say he has got 'nothing', maybe you should look at my list, which are all proven by fact, and then make up your mind. He is a five-eighth, not a halfback. Want to know why he has been sh*t this year? Ask the coach for making him wear the no 7 and not allowing him to play his natural, and best, type of game.
 

Joely01

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I get the impression quite a few of our players realise it's futile playing without halves. Like a car without a steering wheel. Waste of time.
I get the impression that like yourself that a certain few players drop thier heads and give up when the going gets tough, thats the down fall this year not Morts, shut the f**k up with your morts bashing. Morts and Hindy were really the only players who would get back up when the going was tough, thats the type of players i want playing for my team, you obviously want someone who can win you every single game of the season, goodluck finding that, eveyone has bad games and bad seasons live with it.
 

Joely01

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Perfectly agree. Says a lot about supposed 'fans' here.

"IT is harsh but its a business and he should not be considered for nrl again has got nothing ."

Wow. Tell that to every team that does their level best to shut him down.
Tell that to him after what he did individually last year.

There is no player in Rugby League that has got 'nothing'. The issue with Mortimer this year is that he has been forced to play a style of game he will never adapt to; moving him to halfback was a terrible decision, when he is clearly too young and lacking the halfback skills to wear the number 7 and be given all responsibility for organising our team. You look at the average age a halfback debuts, it it is around 23 or so, and these players usually play halfback through their whole education.
Mortimer is 21, and has never played halfback before.

Pretty obvious what the problem with Mortimer is....

But let's look at his strengths;
STRENGTHS
Easily the toughest young player in the NRL. -something that is very important in RL
A good defender given his size. -something that is very important in RL
Never say die attitude. -possibly THE most important thing in RL
More heart than any other young player I have seen. -obviously very important in RL.
A good short-kicking game, if you want evidence of this watch video highlights of him from this year or last year to see that when it works, it has brilliant results; his grubber and chip-kicks for himself when he is on are brilliant. -a very good attacking attribute, one that is typical of a GOOD FIVE-EIGHTH.
Brilliant support-running and good running game. When he is playing his natural game at FIVE-EIGHTH and on song, Mortimer cuts through defenders with relative ease, and he is extremely fast off the mark. If you had him at five-eighth with Cooper Cronk at halfback, he would be the Eels version of Billy Slater (the Cronk/Slater combo).

Those last points tell you immediately what his best position is. Why he was moved to halfback is beyond me. That is a decision the coach made, and it is quite obviously why Mortimer has struggled so badly this year (that and opposition teams have figured out how to defend against him and shut him down). When you look at the games this year when he has played his best, it has been when he has been allowed to play his natural supporting game; his chip-kick try against the Sharks should tell you that, plus his short grubbers for himself last year were fantastic.

What do you notice about this year, that he hasn't been doing? He hasn't been doing chip-kicking or played a support-player role at all, thus quite OBVIOUSLY the reason he is struggling. Whenever you take a player away from their natural game, especially when they are that young, it can have dire consequences. Of course Mortimer is in a form slump, but I bet he would be playing so much better if Anderson had let him play at five-eighth.

What did last night show? He played five-eighth, showed more heart than any other player and was actually one of our better players that night in a sh*t team.
So before you say he has got 'nothing', maybe you should look at my list, which are all proven by fact, and then make up your mind. He is a five-eighth, not a halfback. Want to know why he has been sh*t this year? Ask the coach for making him wear the no 7 and not allowing him to play his natural, and best, type of game.
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couldnt agree with you any more, i dont even have anything else to add to that. great post.
 

Gronk

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I'm not part of the Mortz fan club, sorry. For mine Ando dumped Finchy and after all was said and done ended up with a worse version of the player he dumped.

Morts is a good backeruperer, defender, team mate, but has no kicking game or money ball. Finchy can actually get repeat sets and (from time to time) even put a guy into a hole.

Rose coloured glasses off people.
 

boxhead

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I'm not part of the Mortz fan club, sorry. For mine Ando dumped Finchy and after all was said and done ended up with a worse version of the player he dumped.

Morts is a good backeruperer, defender, team mate, but has no kicking game or money ball. Finchy can actually get repeat sets and (from time to time) even put a guy into a hole.

Rose coloured glasses off people.

So you assume I am a Mortimer fanboy? You assume I am wearing biased glasses?

Honestly, I actually see something in him that says he will be a good five-eighth at the very least; he has got all the qualities to be a five-eighth, the qualities you yourself just pointed out. Whether you like his passing or kicking game or not, if he has a dominant half paired with him he will succeed.

If this Brad Murray kid excels and handles the obligations of the halfback role for us well next year (assuming he plays first-grade, but at the moment it looks like we won't have a choice), Morts will feed off that and play far better for it.

The problem with Morts has always been pairing him with a dominant half, because he is a typical five-eighth that is particularly good at support and running.
I think he does have a good short-kicking game (he has proved it at times), and I'm divided over his passing, but class is permanent, form is temporary.

Hell, if we had a proper halfback, even if he wasn't a world class one, no-one would be having these discussions about Mortimer this year. He's obviously not a halfback, but pair him with any good halfback and he will turn into one of the great five-eighths, at least of this generation. Last year showed his class when we had no true halfback.

If you paired him with Cronk (as an example), I can guarantee he would regularly be in the running for Dally M Five-Eighth of the year awards, and not because of Cronk, but because of what he can do when paired with a dominant halfback.
 

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