The Knights last 4 weeks.

[macavity]

Does the nfl step in when the number 1 draft pick signs a multi-million dollar deal with nike?

Take Ben Simmons for example, he has a shoe deal that will be worth millions more if the Lakers pick him over other teams, NBA has no control over that

Simmons will sign a shoe deal before he is drafted. Playing for a small market team (which the 6ers aren't, btw) doesn't hurt top NBA or NFL players as only national brands go near them anyway, and most importantly, they have a workable cap (either hard or with a punitive luxury tax) to keep the talent spread....

see Kevin Durant in OKC, Aaron Rodgers in GB... Hell, LeBron in Cleveland... All fine for big name endorsements in small markets...

 

[DiegoNT]

Simmons will sign a shoe deal before he is drafted. Playing for a small market team (which the 6ers aren't, btw) doesn't hurt top NBA or NFL players as only national brands go near them anyway, and most importantly, they have a workable cap (either hard or with a punitive luxury tax) to keep the talent spread....

see Kevin Durant in OKC, Aaron Rodgers in GB... Hell, LeBron in Cleveland... All fine for big name endorsements in small markets...

So they make huge money outside of the cap, through third party deals, in small market teams, without playing for one of the 'big teams"?

 

[Perth Red]

Given We have the likes of Souths, warriors and roosters outside the 8 and clubs like sharks, Panthers and Cowboys inside the 8 I'm not sure this is as big an issue as knights fans are making out.

 

[Knight76]

As I said earlier in this thread, the Knights only have themselves to blame for their current predicament. Management can take the fall on it whether they blame tinkler or bennet etc.

But, the TPA situation really is a separate issue. The game needs a salary cap to keep the comp fair, and the talent spread out. What is the point in having a salary cap, when its a farce? Why have it when a club can pay a player 200k under the salary cap and 500k outside it in TPA?

But without it you will have clubs unable to compete and going broke. So we need it. But we need it to actually do the job it is supposed to.

 

[macavity]

So they make huge money outside of the cap, through third party deals, in small market teams, without playing for one of the 'big teams"?

Yes, because there is a cap and draft.

And because the US market is 15x ours, and their "small market" teams play in markets bigger than most of ours...

My point is your point RE Ben Simmons (who grew up in Newcastle btw, maybe he can buy us!) was completely wrong.

 

[macavity]

As I said earlier in this thread, the Knights only have themselves to blame for their current predicament. Management can take the fall on it whether they blame tinkler or bennet etc.

But, the TPA situation really is a separate issue. The game needs a salary cap to keep the comp fair, and the talent spread out. What is the point in having a salary cap, when its a farce? Why have it when a club can pay a player 200k under the salary cap and 500k outside it in TPA?

But without it you will have clubs unable to compete and going broke. So we need it. But we need it to actually do the job it is supposed to.

Hit the nail on the head insofar as the reasons we suck now (bad management/paying cap overs/TPAs) are related to but seperate from the reasons we will find it near impossible to improve in any meaningful way (no matter the management we have to pay cap overs due to TPAs)

Something most in here seem to be wilfully ignoring.

 

[Caped Crusader]

No one is ignoring it mate but most of us dont buy it either

Newcastle is not so isolated that a decent management team cant think their way out of the current predicament. The Knights rep is damaged in the business community. That needs to be fixed first.

After that they need someone on board with national corporate connections to drum up some sponsors

The situation is entirely fixable and certainly not restricted by the NRL in any way

 

[betcats]

Yeah I don't buy this Newcastle cant compete with TPAs stuff at all unless you are saying Nathan Tinkler and friends did irreparable damage to the club. Its cop out imo. There is no quick fix but it can be done if you gt people with the will do it in place. Focus on developing juniors. Buy as smart as possible and repair you rep in the nrl player market and reconnect with local business and repair that reputation, and most importantly make sure your coach has some kind of plan for the future. Newcastle copped a rough deal the last few years and it will be rough for the next few years likely but it can be fixed.

If you think being a smaller club in Sydney and competing with the bigger name clubs like souths, roosters and the dogs for TPA money is easier than being in Newcastle and competing with your own bad reputation for TPA deals I think you are mistaken.

 

[DiegoNT]

Yes, because there is a cap and draft.

And because the US market is 15x ours, and their "small market" teams play in markets bigger than most of ours...

My point is your point RE Ben Simmons (who grew up in Newcastle btw, maybe he can buy us!) was completely wrong.

What i was trying to say is that the big leagues in america don't stop their athletes from getting outside endorsements they may have nike as the official supplier of the nfl but players can still get outside third party agreements with other companies (they just can't use the nfl's name in the ads or have to cover up when playing in the league, similar to what happens in the nrl, with Thurstons skins deal being an example). Big historically strong franchises in big cities like Lakers and celtics are always going to have an advantage signing players because it's easier for players to get big endorsements when playing for these teams yet it's still possible for star players in smaller teams to do well in endorsement deals as does a player like Thurston in Townsville.
If the league tries to limit the money players can make outside of the game, is it possible players may question the legality of the salary cap?

 

[betcats]

Despite their struggles Newcastle still has the fifth best ground attendance, that is coming off the back of a spoon year and after what happened with tinkler, its really quite amazing. They obviously have a large supporter base and there is a large junior base in the hunter and beyond that they are closest NRL team to atleast half the NSW north coast, these are some pretty good resources for the Knights to build from.

 

[Perth Red]

yep they have many advantages that lots of teams don't have. What they lack is a decent management team and BoD who can maximise those advantages to turn them into a competitive club.

They have the 5th best attendance and the second worse membership total. There's one cash cow they aren't milking well for starters.

 

[Edwahu]

You can have the worlds greatest raw resources sitting in your backyard but it only goes so far if your competitors have advantages that allow them to buy and ship superior products for half of the cost at which you can build and ship to customers. That's effectively what the NRL allows.

 

[betcats]

You can have the worlds greatest raw resources sitting in your backyard but it only goes so far if your competitors have advantages that allow them to buy and ship superior products for half of the cost at which you can build and ship to customers. That's effectively what the NRL allows.

I'm sorry mate but this just seems like such a cop out. Most teams are on the outside looking in when it comes to TPAs, Newcastle is hardly alone in this.

Why don't the knights try properly managing those raw natural resources? They pinned all their hopes on a billionaire turning them into some super club and instead he f**ked them now apparently its all the systems fault.

 

[perverse]

An interesting statement from Matt Gidley came out in one of their fan correspondence/q&a things through the website. Flies in the face of one of my statements in this thread, and challenges my perception of the clubs goodwill in the community, but highlights our difficulties at the moment all the same.

Apparently the knights are ranked 4th across the entire league for corporate sponsorship. This makes perfect sense when you consider that we have no leagues club or other rich benefactor... we need every dollar from corporate Newcastle that we can get just to keep the doors open week to week. What this means, though, is that the vast majority of corporate dollars in the area are going towards keeping the club afloat, rather than strengthening our roster, because none of those partners can help with TPAs.

 

[DiegoNT]

So the Knights have the 5th biggest crowds , 4th largest corporate sponsors, are in one of the biggest regions full of diehard league fans, a great junior catchment area, get the same club grants as all the other clubs, got millions from the nrl when they were in financial trouble. They celebrated getting a rich sugar daddy in 2011 by buying a few players from the dragons 2010 premiership side, a guy who had just debuted for Australia (snowden), and a couple of the clubs favourite sons in buderus and tahu, while also keeping a few of there younger stars like mullen and uate and also the most successful living coach in history. They almost made a grand final doing this. But now that the sugar daddy turnt out to be a dud, the super coach invested heavily in older players to try get quick success, absolute monkeys are running the front office , those young juniors who's locking up on big long term contracts was celebrated haven't come on as much as people thought they would, some older player have moves on and have been replaced by rookies, while other senior players are under performing while running down the last few seasons of their big contracts. After all of this Suddenly it's the Systems fault for why newcastle are where they are currently at

 

[coolsteve]

in my opinion, for a true salary cap to work ALL tpa should come under the cap . if a sponser wants to pay your player then the club saves money and can be used for other things(training equiptment etc), but all money to players to be registered AND under the cap.even playing field . surely it cant be that hard . or no salary cap

 

[macavity]

Gee, it is that easy, we just need to put the LU brains trust on the board and we will be sweet

FFS

It is not a matter of "buying" anything, Crusader. You either understand basic economic principles or you don't.

 

[coolsteve]

how hard can it be . you get say , $5million , dont spend anymore ffs. stick your tpa up your arse

 

[drago brelli]

If Coach Brown wants to improve his teams defence he should take his players to the sheep farm in Orange. The farm where the King's First XV were tackling the rams.

 

[coolsteve]

my moneys on the rams