The LJC\Stallion Thread

[Stallion]

So what are you complaining about if you don’t know if the sport has met the criteria for?
If union is concerned the criteria have not been met and that’s has been upheld what’s the issue?

Their is an issue. Why bother? Or are you defending union? Live and let live. Pretty sure it was some obscure technicality no doubt and I'd suggest that other sports have been recognized with technicalities being missed. So then big brother union puts in a technicality. In the interests of whom? I say union is scared shit of rugby leagues potential due to league being a far more inclusive game to play and easier to watch. That's my viewpoint and I think its on the money!

 

[Stallion]

To say that Te Kaha lives in NZ some of his comments are either a distortion of the facts or he is ignorant of the situation in NZ and dare I say other places.
League bias still exists in many schools and clubs in the South Island and parts of the North but to a lesser extent in Auckland where league holds the balance.

Well done Batley! No doubt the denial will be on its way. This rugby league website moderator has got form. Im still astounded rugby league people are allowing this blatant bias to damage the discourse on this site!

 

[Pommy]

Their is an issue. Why bother? Or are you defending union? Live and let live. Pretty it was some technicality no doubt and I'd suggest that other sports have been recognized with technicalities being missed. So then big brother union puts in a technicality. In the interests of whom? I say union is scared shit of rugby leagues potential due to league being a far more inclusive game to play and easier to watch. That's my viewpoint and I think its on the money!

I don’t doubt that but the criteria are the criteria if league doesn’t meat then who’s fault is it?
Why wouldn’t union try and delay it?

 

[Te Kaha]

To say that Te Kaha lives in NZ some of his comments are either a distortion of the facts or he is ignorant of the situation in NZ and dare I say other places.
League bias still exists in many schools and clubs in the South Island and parts of the North but to a lesser extent in Auckland where league holds the balance.

Just like there is a bias against Rugby in some League schools. There are Rugby schools and there are League schools, just like there are Rugby clubs and League clubs. Can you provide ANY evidence to say otherwise? No I didn't think so.
However there is no "establishment" bias as the idiot claims.

 

[Stallion]

Just like there is a bias against Rugby in some League schools. There are Rugby schools and there are League schools, just like there are Rugby clubs and League clubs. Can you provide ANY evidence to say otherwise? No I didn't think so.
However there is no "establishment" bias as the idiot claims.

We note you continue to disrespect rugby league on a rugby league website. You are not on this site to benefit rugby league. I believe you are a spoiler and are doing your best to deflect , twist and deny whats been going on against rugby league. All Public schools have all football codes if required in NSW. However all elite private schools continue to not allow rugbyleague and allow other football codes.This is without exception. You have rebuked someone else from your part of the world that dissagrees with your interpretation of football code access/presence in NZ. I tend to believe the other New Zealanders. You Te Kaha are a plant for the code of rugby union on a rugby league website! That's another observation I'm certain of.

 

[batley]

There is no doubt in my mind who the idiot is on this board with some of the statements made.
After some thirty years of coaching and refereeing in Auckland I could tell you plenty, but there no doubt it would be a complete waste of time.

 

[Stallion]

There is no doubt in my mind who the idiot is on this board with some of the statements made.
After some thirty years of coaching and refereeing in Auckland I could tell you plenty, but there no doubt it would be a complete waste of time.

Batley Im sure you could enlighten us Aussies of the goings on in NZ? Please do. We are getting snippets and obviously biased denials and twisting of facts from the real idiot but would really appreciate some real life examples of the repression rugby league has and is facing in NZ.

 

[deal.with.it]

Purely opinion based Te Kaha, I agree. But it doesn’t sit well with me - and maybe others - that the moderator on an international rugby league forum does not support the cause. A lot of people on this forum have done a lot to help develop the interntational game and I find it disrespectful. Personal opinion completely.

I believe Stallion goes overboard with his angle, but the truth of the matter is that Rugby League has experienced a lot of discrimination - including NZ - combined with a lack of personnel that can drive the game forward commercially. One it can control, the other it can’t. Additionally, it can control the language and respect its own fans show TGG.

 

[Te Kaha]

We note you continue to disrespect rugby league on a rugby league website. You are not on this site to benefit rugby league. I believe you are a spoiler and are doing your best to deflect , twist and deny whats been going on against rugby league. All Public schools have all football codes if required in NSW. However all elite private schools continue to not allow rugbyleague and allow other football codes.This is without exception. You have rebuked someone else from your part of the world that dissagrees with your interpretation of football code access/presence in NZ. I tend to believe the other New Zealanders. You Te Kaha are a plant for the code of rugby union on a rugby league website! That's another observation I'm certain of.

What you believe has seldom been anything close to reality, this is no exception.

 

[Te Kaha]

There is no doubt in my mind who the idiot is on this board with some of the statements made.
After some thirty years of coaching and refereeing in Auckland I could tell you plenty, but there no doubt it would be a complete waste of time.

Then do it, provide some evidence.

After 20 years playing and another 20 years in age grade coaching and refereeing League in Wellington I can safely say that the claims made by the conspiracy nut are mostly false.

 

[Te Kaha]

Purely opinion based Te Kaha, I agree. But it doesn’t sit well with me - and maybe others - that the moderator on an international rugby league forum does not support the cause. A lot of people on this forum have done a lot to help develop the interntational game and I find it disrespectful. Personal opinion completely.

If it doesn't sit well then complain to admin. They can remove it if they want. I was asked to moderate this section. And its purely your opinion that I "don't support the cause". Where are the posts where I put down the code? There aren't any. I call the codes League and Rugby as I have done that since I could talk. I was bought up in a League household in the fifties and that's how both games were described. There is no disrespect in either. Different country, different terms.

I believe Stallion goes overboard with his angle, but the truth of the matter is that Rugby League has experienced a lot of discrimination - including NZ -

Of course there has. However Stallion gets his own thread because he posts outright lies, and hijacks threads with his "theories" and there were many, many complaints about his behavior. And as you can see it doesn't change.

combined with a lack of personnel that can drive the game forward commercially. One it can control, the other it can’t. Additionally, it can control the language and respect its own fans show TGG.

Again you talk about respect. Does that mean those who call the game "footy" are also being disrespectful because they aren't using "Rugby League"? Same Principle.

 

[batley]

I followed this thred for some time before commenting on it due to untruthfull comments by the guy below.
Te Kaha! Seeing your from Wellington could you explain how Rugby League Park was taken over by the Rugby Union and whilst your at it Christchurch Stadium

 

[Stallion]

If it doesn't sit well then complain to admin. They can remove it if they want. I was asked to moderate this section. And its purely your opinion that I "don't support the cause". Where are the posts where I put down the code? There aren't any. I call the codes League and Rugby as I have done that since I could talk. I was bought up in a League household in the fifties and that's how both games were described. There is no disrespect in either. Different country, different terms.

Of course there has. However Stallion gets his own thread because he posts outright lies, and hijacks threads with his "theories" and there were many, many complaints about his behavior. And as you can see it doesn't change.


Again you talk about respect. Does that mean those who call the game "footy" are also being disrespectful because they aren't using "Rugby League"? Same Principle.

On your last bit of 'deflection ': the term 'footy' is a term of endearment and cultural familiarity. Your recollections of 'growing up' reflect a fundamental core issue and irreverent disdain for the code of rugby league. I know that people within Australia (especially private school educated )refer to rugby league as 'league' and rugby union as 'rugby'. Both codes are a form of rugby. So you have a fundamentally flawed regard through your upbringing that propagates a low regard in referencing and assessing of rugby league and its merits. All of your posts have been with a tone most people would interpret as anti rugby league. I have only pointed this out with some interesting and revealing articles (South Africa for instance) that you have made certain they be transferred to this thread that you have unfairly created. Your evidence that you are in fact anti rugby league is contained in your creation of such a thread and attitude of disdain toward rugby league and people whom note this in this website. It's rugby league and or 'footy' if you want to call this code in a proactive and respectfull way. So far your terminology reflects an upbringing that toes the line of rugby league being subservient and minor to rugby union. Take a good at yourself and change your stance Te Kaha. This is not from just me whom has a role as a 'messenger' but from others whom have noted your systemic disregard for rugby league.
PS: I would also appreciate a renaming of this thread. A name such as " Repression of Rugby league discussion" is more accurate. Their are plenty of interesting comments and articles within this thread and it would be good if it were appropriately named. FYI .

 

[Te Kaha]

I followed this thred for some time before commenting on it due to untruthfull comments by the guy below.
Te Kaha! Seeing your from Wellington could you explain how Rugby League Park was taken over by the Rugby Union and whilst your at it Christchurch Stadium

I didn't think you knew what you were talking about. I figured you were fake and those comments just prove it.
Rugby League Park: Was in dire need of upgrade, its "stands" were falling apart and its fences were rusted and falling over. Being a council OWNED park they asked RL Wellington to stump up some cash to bring it up to even a basic level. Wellington Rugby League couldn't. Wellington Rugby then told the council they had the cash to upgrade it as long as they could have use of it. Wellington City Council agreed. Wellington Rugby League was given first chance to upgrade the park and they said no.

Christchurch is a completely different situation. After the earthquake when Lancaster park was condemned Canterbury Rugby had no home ground. Canterbury League did. However like Wellington it was completely run down and need of repair. Canterbury Rugby and League then entered into an agreement. With Canterbury Leagues FULL support Canterbury Rugby paid for the repair and upgrade of the ground and RENTED it from Canterbury League until a new CHCH stadium gets built. Canterbury League then takes back their upgraded park without having to pay for it.
ANYBODY who follows League in NZ and who gets the NZRL Newsletters would know of that arrangement. The fact you don't shows a hell of a lot.

 

[Te Kaha]

On your last bit of 'deflection ': the term 'footy' is a term of endearment and cultural familiarity. Your recollections of 'growing up' reflect a fundamental core issue and irreverent disdain for the code of rugby league. I know that people within Australia (especially private school educated )refer to rugby league as 'league' and rugby union as 'rugby'. Both codes are a form of rugby. So you have a fundamentally flawed regard through your upbringing that propagates a low regard in referencing and assessing of rugby league and its merits. All of your posts have been with a tone most people would interpret as anti rugby league. I have only pointed this out with some interesting and revealing articles (South Africa for instance) that you have made certain they be transferred to this thread that you have unfairly created. Your evidence that you are in fact anti rugby league is contained in your creation of such a thread and attitude of disdain toward rugby league and people whom note this in this website. It's rugby league and or 'footy' if you want to call this code in a proactive and respectfull way. So far your terminology reflects an upbringing that toes the line of rugby league being subservient and minor to rugby union. Take a good at yourself and change your stance Te Kaha. This is not from just me whom has a role as a 'messenger' but from others whom have noted your systemic disregard for rugby league.
PS: I would also appreciate a renaming of this thread. A name such as " Repression of Rugby league discussion" is more accurate. Their are plenty of interesting comments and articles within this thread and it would be good if it were appropriately named. FYI .

Waffle, waffle , waffle.... that is all that is. The reason for this thread is in its title. You lie, you hijack threads and you espouse unfounded conspiracy theories with little or zero evidence. and thus, it will remain so.

 

[Stallion]

Waffle, waffle , waffle.... that is all that is. The reason for this thread is in its title. You lie, you hijack threads and you espouse unfounded conspiracy theories with little or zero evidence. and thus, it will remain so.

This is where you are wrong. REPRESSION OF RUGBY-LEAGUE exists and is massive! You deny the many examples that keep coming up. And you call yourself a rugby league fan!? If you regard yourself a 'friend' of rugby league then rugby league has also found an enemy from within. The very factual articles from NZ sports journalist Malcolm Dreaneen on the plight of rugby league in South Africa (and mentions NZ as well)and the book on the repression of rugby-league in France (and it continues-no school presence ) 'The Forbidden Game' by Mike Rylance plus other real life examples are trivialized and seen as isolated by yourself!? You are doing exactly what rugby union want you to do without being aware of it (we hope?) You are deflecting,twisting, trivialising and denying the undeniable that rugby league is being repressed in many ways throughout rhe world as a result of the well orchestrated and establishment based bias from the sheepishly and deceitfully infuential big ugly brother rugby union.

 

[deal.with.it]

I understand you have always used rugby and league, but in light of global discrimination I don’t think it’s much of an effort to reinstate our place as rugby league.

 

[Te Kaha]

This is where you are wrong. REPRESSION OF RUGBY-LEAGUE exists and is massive! You deny the many examples that keep coming up. And you call yourself a rugby league fan!? If you regard yourself a 'friend' of rugby league then rugby league has also found an enemy from within. The very factual articles from NZ sports journalist Malcolm Dreaneen on the plight of rugby league in South Africa (and mentions NZ as well)and the book on the repression of rugby-league in France (and it continues-no school presence ) 'The Forbidden Game' by Mike Rylance plus other real life examples are trivialized and seen as isolated by yourself!? You are doing exactly what rugby union want you to do without being aware of it (we hope?) You are deflecting,twisting, trivialising and denying the undeniable that rugby league is being repressed in many ways throughout rhe world as a result of the well orchestrated and establishment based bias from the sheepishly and deceitfully infuential big ugly brother rugby union.

More waffle. Would you like me to list some of the lies in this thread that you have made? Like League not being played in schools in NZ outside of Auckland. Or New Zealand Rugby banning school boys from playing League.

You lie. You don't do your research and you hijack threads. that's why you get this thread.

 

[Te Kaha]

I understand you have always used rugby and league, but in light of global discrimination I don’t think it’s much of an effort to reinstate our place as rugby league.

If people want to call the game Rugby league they are more than entitled to. The game has every right to call itself "Rugby" in Northern England "Rugby" is used to name the game. Are they being disrespectful? again, people calling the game "Footy", are they being disrespectful? to use a "stallionism" its "culturally" appropriate, given my location to refer to the two codes as Rugby and League.

 

[Stallion]

If people want to call the game Rugby league they are more than entitled to. The game has every right to call itself "Rugby" in Northern England "Rugby" is used to name the game. Are they being disrespectful? again, people calling the game "Footy", are they being disrespectful? to use a "stallionism" its "culturally" appropriate, given my location to refer to the two codes as Rugby and League.

Difference being Te Kaha : you are on a rugby league website with most of the comments from Australian fans. It is you whom needs to adjust appropriately. Your continued twisting and negative referencing has been noted by more than just from myself. If you cannot respectfully name the code then you have serious issues and I would suggest the management advise you to respect the code more appropriately on this rugby league website. Your irreverent and disrespectful stance in naming rugby league as 'league' and rugby union as 'rugby' is not right. Sure it can be tolerated on a union website but definitely should not be the case on this site.