The Pride thread 🌈

[oldmancraigy]

Such a shame that a decently intentioned thread has turned to shit. Again.

Is there an example of a thread that hasn't gone that way?

Like, just one example from the last 15 years??

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Not at all. Pou said himself that people are less likely to accept lifestyles that buck traditional values.

Some are less likely. Others are more likely. It’s the political fashion at the moment. If you see yourself as progressive you want the newest ideas.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Don't agree. It's a conversation that had to be had. What's going to happen when an openly gay person is about to be picked in NRL ? Will they refuse to play with him ?

I’d be surprised. How many people refused to play with Roberts?

Tolerance is a 2 way street. You can't demand to be respected and whilst not being tolerant of others.

Where’s the intolerance? They are refusing to promote something, not refusing to tolerate it.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

How many uber religious Polynesians played with Roberts ?

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So you can't name anyone. Did you just sea lion him?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Or maybe you can't ? There seems to be a significant contribution to this argument by the "you can't force me to do that brigade". News flash to them: it's just about acknowledging that some people are different to you and that's OK. It's not that hard.

Then they need to shelve the rainbow and pick something that hasn't been co-opted. Something more inclusive. Maybe a crescent to represent the moon we all live in under, or even some old Sanskrit symbol.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well there's this ..

The seven – Josh Aloiai, Tolutau Koula, Haumole Olakau’atu, Jason Saab, Josh Schuster, Toafofoa Sipley and Christian Tuipulotu – are considering boycotting the round 20 clash on 28 July due to their “religious and cultural” convictions that oppose the endorsement of homosexuality.

Key point in bold. It's disingenuous to conflate endorsement with tolerance. There is a clear difference between the two. Tolerance means you put up with something you find objectionable.

 

[Snoochies]

Can we please shift this discussion to a religious/ gay chat? Seriously I just waded through 11pages of shit and I logged in last night!

Can we discuss footy FFS.

Ps I like the Tapau move.

I created a thread yesterday, that religious gay thread then turned into Vietnamese dinners.

 

[84 Baby]

Are players being forced to do the sign of the cross? As for pretending everyone is now gay proud and anti Christian I think you're confusing someone else's arguments with mine.

Well their teammates are being forced into playing in a team with someone who openly “celebrates” their religion.
As to the second part, sure. I might start calling you Drax based on how much you take literally.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Well their teammates are being forced into playing in a team with someone who openly “celebrates” their religion.
As to the second part, sure. I might start calling you Drax based on how much you take literally.

They're slaves now?

 

[84 Baby]

 

[84 Baby]

They're slaves now?

Or those who don’t agree with them doing it just haven’t spoken out about it

 

[84 Baby]

Can’t wait for heterosexual round. Maybe we get back to normality by then

NRL are also bringing a Magic Round style round to be hosted by Roosters. It’ll be called Metrosexual Round

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You think they’re “celebrating” gambling by having a pointsbet logo emblazoned across their chest?

They are promoting a company that helps pay their wages. If there was a political movement around promoting gambling as a lifestyle it might be a better analogy.

That said, I agree that they are promoting gambling, and we know it ruins a lot of lives. I'd be happy if gambling (and alcohol) advertising went the way of tobacco ads. But if I was a player I'd still wear the logos (and the gayest uniform you could invent) because I'm a hypocrite. Give me the money. I just don't want my kids to be poor.

 

[Eel2reel]

I agree because there are still plenty of silent and passive bigots in the world. They just can't come out in the open and get away with it like they could before.

This is a good thing. Suppress their taught bigotry and until they die and as each one of them passes, the next gen will be a little or a lot more tolerable or inclusive and slowly as the years go by we may eventually get to a point where all this 'it's a sin' bullsh*t that has been passed down for 2000+ years now will be all but a ridiculous foot note in a history lesson for future generations to laugh at and be shocked. Or at least we can hope.

Amen!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do you have a problem with players praying post game or crossing themselves? The celebrations of the gay pride weren’t in game so the jersey wasn’t about celebrating, but awareness.

It's 2022. Everyone is already aware. There comes a point where 'raising awareness' stops being about awareness and starts becoming the promotion of one ideology over others.

 

[Snoochies]

They are promoting a company that helps pay their wages. If there was a political movement around promoting gambling as a lifestyle it might be a better analogy.

That said, I agree that they are promoting gambling, and we know it ruins a lot of lives. I'd be happy if gambling (and alcohol) advertising went the way of tobacco ads. But if I was a player I'd still wear the logos (and the gayest uniform you could invent) because I'm a hypocrite. Give me the money. I just don't want my kids to be poor.

And McDonalds causes obesity.

 

[TheRam]

Whilst I probably wouldn’t be so blasé about killing off a generation to reach the outcome, I broadly agree with the sentiment mate.

I didn't say we kill anyone mate. I said we keep their narrow minded bigotry in check and embarrass them about it and make it clear to them it is and will never be tolerated and wait them out till they die.

See you won't change all the bigots to suddenly not be bigots if that is how they either were brought up to think or for whatever other reason they decided to hate on anyone that isn't having sex the same way they do. So it is pointless trying. It's like arguing with Gronk or Pou. They are fixed in cement. All we can do is supress them as much as possible by making it uncomfortable for them to express their intolerance up until they meet their end naturally.

Sure they and others may say I am being very intolerable also by having this view. Well no not really otherwise we would never have stopped any other type of discrimination ever if we just said, sweet we will tolerate your prejudices and intolerances.

It's like the disingenuous argument that religious people throw out and say that atheism is a religion too. No it isn't. It is just another straw man that is being built to confuse the issue. Some people are just very, very good at deceiving others. But at the end of the day inclusiveness of all is the path we all should be working towards and as peacefully as humanly possible to get there.

That also includes the ones like the Manly 7, but we should also make it clear to people like them that we will not tolerate their intolerance of others. It's kind of like teaching kids to share or play nice together. You make it clear to the child that their anti social behaviour is not nice and will not be tolerated. We reward good behaviour and frown upon bad behaviour.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Or those who don’t agree with them doing it just haven’t spoken out about it

The point is that they aren't slaves and no one is forcing them to do anything. Apparently you agree with me anyway so I'm not sure what you're on about.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

They should get all NRL players to rock up at Magic Round wearing shirts that identify their beliefs/ideals and then pick teams based on similar shirts.

I think the players that are opposed to sorcery should refuse to participate in Magic Round.

 

[hindy111]

You've been double sealioned. I feel like That's better then double analed