The Pride thread 🌈

[lucablight]

I'm not sure I trust anyone who studies the Bible 'for a living'. How do they make a living out of it? Who pays them, and why?

Did you not have history teachers at school? There’s literally no difference.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Did you not have history teachers at school? There’s literally no difference.

Teachers don't study for a living. They teach.

 

[lucablight]

Teachers don't study for a living. They teach.

Do you think University professors who study this material don’t teach classes on it?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It’s funny that Jesus spoke Aramaic yet the stories about him were written by anonymous Greek speakers rather than eyewitnesses who knew him.

You said it yourself, any given eyewitnesses was probably illiterate. But if you were going to go to the effort of recording an account of events why wouldn't you write in the language that would reach the most readers? If Jesus was dead they weren't writing it to him.

We shouldn’t conflate each of the gospels into one text either. They all have their own voices. I don’t think any of them were necessarily written to reach the largest possible audience. They were written for that particular audience (which happened to speak Greek).

Which was everybody who could read at the time, in that part of the world.

It’s pretty clear some of the gospels go out of their way to minimise the responsibility of the Romans and place the blame at the hands of the Jews.

Anti-Semitism you reckon?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do you think University professors who study this material don’t teach classes on it?

Well what is there to keep studying? Some new evidence has come in hot off the press? How long does it take to read an English/Spanish/etc translation of the relevant documents plus the accepted academic consensus on it all? I doubt it would be an ongoing process after you've learnt all the correct facts and opinions. Any new insight would be divinely inspired rather than coming from previously untouched musty tomes.

 

[lucablight]

You said it yourself, any given eyewitnesses was probably illiterate. But if you were going to go to the effort of recording an account of events why wouldn't you write in the language that would reach the most readers? If Jesus was dead they weren't writing it to him.

Which was everybody who could read at the time, in that part of the world.
Anti-Semitism you reckon?

I don’t think they deliberately chose to write the stories in Greek because they wanted to reach the widest audience. They were Christians who wanted to write a story and happened to be Greek speaking.
I don’t think the gospels are anti semitic but they’ve certainly been used to justify it. They definitely try and soften the blow against Pilate though (especially the later ones).

 

[yy_cheng]

He probably saw himself as the King of God’s coming Kingdom (which was going to be here on earth not just in a spiritual sense) after judgment day. There’s a line in the gospels where he tells the disciples that those twelve would rule under him. One of those twelve is Judas. It’s highly unlikely a Christian would have made up a line where Jesus incorrectly predicts Judas would be one of the Kings ruling under him so it’s likely it came from his own lips.

I liked Jamie Lyon until in joined manly

 

[hindy111]

I think that is what most people are missing - they are being asked to celebrate something they don't believe in and support. There are lots of things I will happily tolerate, but not wear a t-shirt in public endorsing - am I therefore a bigot?

Yes

 

[hindy111]

But I went to their anniversary dinner and helped them celebrate 25 years of happy marriage and bought them a present and congratulated them... so I guess I am really a hypocrite and a bigot.

Does his wife know? If not foul human imo and I'd have nothing to do with him

 

[hindy111]

Jesus wasn’t a Christian he was a Jew. What makes you think he was about tolerance and acceptance?

I wonder what he would of paid for @chiefy1 lounge.

 

[hindy111]

Yeah true, its not jesus, its the dudes who wrote the propaganda book

Good story tellers, vivid imaginations

 

[hindy111]

Don't Stone me on this wild theory. I was raised a good catholic boy. But for all we know Jesus was some guy similar to a medicine man that would hand out all these magic potions. Peyote, Shrooms etc.
I mean he did come from a broken home right?. A bit of a rebel. He walks around handing out the magic medicines and telling stories to the vulnerable as they tripped balls.

And the legend become. The story grew.

Overall this is one of those things where we will never know. I dont see the point of putting to much energy in trying and wanting to find out.
No matter what research you do it sjust your brains convincing yourself what it chooses to beleive.

 

[hineyrulz]

They’re not openly discriminating. But what is certain is that they’ve been asked to show unity and tolerance for others and acceptance for others to live as they wish… and they’ve chosen not to.

Full credit to Manly’s board and good to see they’ve committed to doing it next season.

But what about unity and tolerance for the players beliefs??? Or don’t their beliefs count???

And this is coming from someone who thinks all forms of organised religion is stupid. I don’t agree with their beliefs but they still have a right to believe them. The Manly marketing department thought it was a fantastic idea to score some extra likes from the blue check marks on Twitter with some virtue signalling. I bet they didn’t even think of what their players might think. Because who cares about what they believe.

 

[hineyrulz]

Well I guess if they don’t believe in a society that is tolerant where people are free to live and not be judged for their race, colour creed or sexual orientation, it makes them bigots by definition.

So they aren’t free to their religious beliefs??? Isn’t that the definition of bigotry???

 

[Gronk]

Toby Rudolf says love is love

I haven’t got caught up in the Manly situation,” he said. “What I will say is I was raised by quite a few gay and lesbian community members. My uncle is gay and my godmother is gay, and there’s so much love in that community.”

Sexuality is very fluid. I’ve been out and kissed many gay men, kissed many straight women and kissed many gay women,” he said.

‘Love is love’: Cronulla prop Toby Rudolf backs pride round

One of the NRL’s biggest personalities has opened up about his sexuality, saying he’s “not a one-stop shop”.

www.watoday.com.au

 

[hineyrulz]

I can’t wait for next season.

I want the nrl to have a pride round.

I want the nrl to also have catholic round. Easter weekend all jerseys have crosses.

while we’re at it we should have an Islamic round. When it’s there Eid at end of Ramadan, all jerseys to have a sword or a moon.

They should also look into Buddhist, Hindu and Jewish rounds as well.

all players are to participate and if not blast from a cannon into the sun.

I really think we need a f**k Storm, Manly, Roosters and Dogs round next year.

 

[hindy111]

Love is love who are you to judge

As I said I would have nothing to do with him. I am a grown adult and I will chose whonI want to associate with.
Most GAY men I've met are drama queens. Including my neighbours a few doors down. I'm certain not all are. But I find them painfull.
I've had close mates talk about if they should sleep with a married women. They didn't but I just don't see them as men with much integrity.

I am judgemental I guess

 

[Gronk]

The Everyone In League theme, led by Gus Worlens, was hijacked when Manly's jersey designer decided to add the rainbow colours. Roosters jersey had the Everyone In League logo on it.

Not sure that’s the correct take TBH. Jersey was instigated by the Penn family. The NRL jersey design approval process has a long lead in period.

The Penn family thought that the concept of inclusiveness fitted perfectly with the Gotcha4Life Cup which focuses on male well being and combats suicide.

Players refusing to wear (accept) the concept of inclusiveness may not fit the definition of bigotry, but it’s a conversation that had to be had now.

Gay Manly young gun 'devastated' by boycott

'He thought they would accept him'

wwos.nine.com.au

But their stance has left a promising young homosexual Sea Eagle, who has not yet come out publicly, devastated.

"He is a good young player coming through the grades and just wanted to play first grade for Manly," a close friend of the player told Wide World of Sports.

Manly read the room IMHO and sadly anticipated that the warm hug that Joshua Cavallo received by his teammates possibly would not be replicated at the Sea Eagles. It’s a conversation that had to be had.

 

[Snoochies]

The Romans didn’t care what religion you preached as long as you paid your taxes and recognised them as the rulers. I would say Jesus was telling people he was the King of the Jews which the Romans didn’t take kindly to as they saw themselves as the rulers of the state so they crucified him for political insurrection.

Well Nero wasn't too fond of the early Christians having their own king so decided to use them as human torches to light his gardens and put them on display for lion feeding time.

 

[Gronk]

Well Nero wasn't too fond of the early Christians having their own king so decided to use them as human torches to light his gardens and put them on display for lion feeding time.

He seems nice.