The Steve Kearney Thread

[Poupou Escobar]

Why are people so obsessed with blaming the coach so early in the season?

Because we cheer for the players during matches, which becomes an emotional investment. After long enough the player becomes part of our identity - like family or a close friend.

With that in mind, when the players f**k up or start to get old and useless it can be too painful to blame the player even when they deserve it, so we blame the coach - after all, we don't cheer for that merkin during a match. He is detached from the emotional side of our support and is therefore an easy scapegoat. Just like the players we never got around to accepting as one of us - every club has a fan favourite scapegoat or two, and the coach always is.

Look at how Manly fans feel about Hasler.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

My opinion is that he does not come across as an inspirational person, I think a nice guy? but not inspirational does the team want to play for him? I think not, this is where Kearney falls down, and i challenge people to say otherwise!

Bennett doesn't come across as inspirational either, but the bloke you see at the press conference isn't the man the players work with closely every day.

Warren Ryan picked Kearney to captain Wests at the age of 21, which is the same age he captained the Kiwi national team.

I accept Kearney's not a great tactician (though the best coaches all say that tactics are overrated, which is probably why Brian Smith loves tactics) but only a fool would say Kearney's not a quality motivator.

 

[yy_cheng]

Well, some players were at fault and SK is also at fault. He is sitting up in the stands watching and giving directions.

I mean in the Tiges vs Manly, Utai and Humble's drop balls were definitely the player's fault. It cost the tiger's the game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Horo's defence

:lol:

 

[Poupou Escobar]

A move to Wenty should inspire him to improve, basically did not deserve a spot this week

Didn't f**king deserve a spot last week either. I picked the entire top 17 except I had Paulo for Horo.

If Kearney has one flaw it's that he trusts the players too much. He's far too slow to throw them under a bus when they don't perform. Granted, last year we had no depth but Horo and Burt were shit in both trials and shouldn't have played last week.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

playing the man rather than the ball. :?

You constantly go on about this as if there's anything wrong with playing the man - this isn't soccer. There's no rules against "playing the man rather than the ball".

Especially because in your case you lie by omission. You're sleazy in the way you argue because you ignore any evidence against your argument as if it doesn't exist.

You post a whole load of ill-considered shit and make your agenda obvious. In that case playing the man is unavoidable because you put your own credibility in doubt.

People play the man because you hide the ball. Show us your ball, bart.

I want to see your balls.

 

[bartman]

Nice addition to the thread Poo.

On the one hand you say my "agenda" is obvious, and on the other hand you say I hide the "ball", forcing you to play the man? Please stop dribbling...

My "balls" are already out there. My posts are simply what they are, nothing more nothing less - but the different opinions they offer seem to offend certain people easily.

I wonder what would happen if I made the same posts under a different user name? My guess is that people would stop playing the man, and instead... see my balls. :sarcasm:

 

[Angry_eel]

Bennett doesn't come across as inspirational either

I know you're defending Kearney and Im not attacking you but for anyone who thinks this needs to read bennet's book. He's prolly the only coach in the NRL with a deep philosophy on life.

 

[Eels Dude]

I know you're defending Kearney and Im not attacking you but for anyone who thinks this needs to read bennet's book. He's prolly the only coach in the NRL with a deep philosophy on life.

I have his book but I've not read it as Wayne Bennett comes across as boring to me. Might actually read it now.

 

[bartman]

I guess I'm assuming, due to your recent posts, that you are having a go at Tim's comment.

H, sadly you've caught Suity's disaease - making assumptions at motives, and getting it wrong.

I was merely quoting the bits of the interview that I thought illustrated the point that Hayne's injury wasn't the deciding factor in the game's result - a point of view that my posting history since last night should show you that I happen to agree with (perhaps in the minority compared to many others). I think it was a positive performance under the circumstances.

Seeing as it's not clear what you are having a go at I can only assume you are mocking the comment as, again due to your recent post history,

With the last comment I'm not really sure what you are trying to say. Again I am assuming mockery and that you disagree but as you have left out the surrounding stuff I can't be sure.

I think the bold bits are the problems here H -assumptions and things you aren't sure about. So why make the assumption I am mocking players statements? Where have I done that before? Are you that easily influenced by the posting styles of some others on here?

That's my opinion and is based on assumptions so feel free to correct those assumptions.

Thanks for clarifying H, and hopefully the assumptions have been corrected. Still a bit surprised that you didn't take posts at face value (eg me just typing some of the words from the link, where to people reading it wasn't yet clear what the link was about) and instead chose to imagine motives and put a negative personal spin on it first.

 

[Jake the snake]

H, sadly you've caught Suity's disaease - making assumptions at motives, and getting it wrong.

I was merely quoting the bits of the interview that I thought illustrated the point that Hayne's injury wasn't the deciding factor in the game's result - a point of view that my posting history since last night should show you that I happen to agree with (perhaps in the minority compared to many others). I think it was a positive performance under the circumstances.




I think the bold bits are the problems here H -assumptions and things you aren't sure about. So why make the assumption I am mocking players statements? Where have I done that before? Are you that easily influenced by the posting styles of some others on here?


Thanks for clarifying H, and hopefully the assumptions have been corrected. Still a bit surprised that you didn't take posts at face value (eg me just typing some of the words from the link, where to people reading it wasn't yet clear what the link was about) and instead chose to imagine motives and put a negative personal spin on it first.

Bartman, does it feel like the whole forum is against you? Wonder why.

 

[bartman]

Bartman, does it feel like the whole forum is against you? Wonder why.

Jake, does it feel like I have ever, or will ever, care...

Wonder if it's worth anyone continuing to try and play the man and not the ball across different threads, rather than using the forums simply to share differing opinions and engage in discussion?

 

[Jake the snake]

Jake, does it feel like I have ever, or will ever, care...

Wonder if it's worth anyone continuing to try and play the man and not the ball across different threads, rather than using the forums simply to share differing opinions and engage in discussion?

Bartman there was a time that I used to like what you wrote. You've changed ;-)

I just find it funny that the same usual suspects who say that they voted the board in but now dislike the current board, who also dislike the current coach, who disagree with Burt sacking are all of the same opionions all the time. It's like these morons have a meeting every week and say ok let's pick on this and make it our agenda for the week.

Just find it funny that's all. Coincidence?

 

[mickdo]

I would like to go on the record and say that I do not want to see bart's balls

 

[bartman]

Bartman there was a time that I used to like what you wrote. You've changed ;-)

Yep, we all change Jake - I even change my own mind on a regular basis - and a lot of us have been on here a very long time. ;-)

I just find it funny that the same usual suspects who say that they voted the board in but now dislike the current board, who also dislike the current coach, who disagree with Burt sacking are all of the same opionions all the time. It's like these morons have a meeting every week and say ok let's pick on this and make it our agenda for the week.

Just find it funny that's all. Coincidence?

To be honest Jake, I don't get too upset by what groups of people write on here... as I don't often even pay attention to the name above a post while reading through (unless they've quoted me or call me out in some way).

On some issues I'm in the minority here, but I don't take down names or imagine "agendas" or meetings... I don't get upset by that at all. I just look at this as a place where we all can just pass our opinions on the games each week, the team lists and news stories between games, and I guess the bigger picture stuff for our club in the off-season.

I reckon anyone should be free to put their opinion and add to discussion about an issue... and it follows that I think the whole practice of trying to group together or label some people, or of forming opinions and assumptions about them, is a pointless distraction to the time we all spend on here for the love of the same footy team.

We're not all going to agree one everything, as an army we're a broad church, so why does that bother some people so much? *shrugs* I still reckon if I made identical posts with a different user name and avatar, you blokes would get on with just discussing your (different) opinions a bit more, rather than focusing on the person.

I would like to go on the record and say that I do not want to see bart's balls

Noted Mick, I'll keep them just between PouPou and I :thumn.

 

[Springs]

So I see no one is allowed to criticise the great Kearney in front of PouPou.

 

[Eels Dude]

So I see no one is allowed to criticise the great Kearney in front of PouPou.

You are allowed to criticize anything in front of PouPou, you just have to be aware you'll have a one sentence statement broken down into 7 different points which results in a 7 paragraph response if you do. Oh, and be aware he'll call you a merkin.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

rather than using the forums simply to share differing opinions

That has to go both ways though bart.

My opinion is that you blame Kearney for any negatives you see but refuse to credit him with any of the positives.

Of course, you don't like some people expressing their opinions on here and you do your best to inhibit the free expression of those opinions.

I'm just typing words on the internet, bart. If you don't like that then it's your problem.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Bartman there was a time that I used to like what you wrote. You've changed ;-)

I just find it funny that the same usual suspects who say that they voted the board in but now dislike the current board, who also dislike the current coach, who disagree with Burt sacking are all of the same opionions all the time. It's like these morons have a meeting every week and say ok let's pick on this and make it our agenda for the week.

Just find it funny that's all. Coincidence?

It certainly does seem that anything that happens is given a negative spin by their little gang. Absolutely any incident that could be viewed in different ways, is interpreted by that bunch as proof that Kearney can't coach and the club won't have success as long as he is here.

All the same people, always thinking the worst, all the time.

If they didn't claim to be Eels fans they would be thrown in the Swamp thread with all the other trolls.

 

[Mr Pmatta]

That has to go both ways though bart.

My opinion is that you blame Kearney for any negatives you see but refuse to credit him with any of the positives.

Of course, you don't like some people expressing their opinions on here and you do your best to inhibit the free expression of those opinions.

I'm just typing words on the internet, bart. If you don't like that then it's your problem.

Ill tell you what Pou when I see some positives, I will be the first to compliment him, though for the time being I dont have a great deal of confidence in him, Im sure you already have some positives, and I am happy to acknowledge them when u tell me what they are.