The Steve Kearney Thread

[Haynzy]

H, sadly you've caught Suity's disaease - making assumptions at motives, and getting it wrong.

I was merely quoting the bits of the interview that I thought illustrated the point that Hayne's injury wasn't the deciding factor in the game's result - a point of view that my posting history since last night should show you that I happen to agree with (perhaps in the minority compared to many others). I think it was a positive performance under the circumstances.




I think the bold bits are the problems here H -assumptions and things you aren't sure about. So why make the assumption I am mocking players statements? Where have I done that before? Are you that easily influenced by the posting styles of some others on here?


Thanks for clarifying H, and hopefully the assumptions have been corrected. Still a bit surprised that you didn't take posts at face value (eg me just typing some of the words from the link, where to people reading it wasn't yet clear what the link was about) and instead chose to imagine motives and put a negative personal spin on it first.

Thanks for clarifying what was behind your quotes Bart.

As a side note my opinion is that it is impossible to take anything in here on face value.
I don't care about agendas or conspiracies but whenever anyone writes anything there is a background or history that is infused in their writing.
When I'm trying to teach remote indigenous kids to be literate I don't teach them to take text on face value. That is called barking at text and is a marker of underdeveloped literacy. To gain meaning from text tou need to understand the context. We get context from a few different places. The physical place or subject, the types of words used, our own world view and experiences, and what we know about the author.

When the context is unclear or when we just bark at text we are more than likely going to get the wrong meaning behind the text.

It's what people do when they take random verses out of the Bible and can be very dangerous.

"Judas threw himself from a cliff..."
"Jesus said go and do likewise..."

 

[IFR33K]

You constantly go on about this as if there's anything wrong with playing the man - this isn't soccer. There's no rules against "playing the man rather than the ball".

Especially because in your case you lie by omission. You're sleazy in the way you argue because you ignore any evidence against your argument as if it doesn't exist.

You post a whole load of ill-considered shit and make your agenda obvious. In that case playing the man is unavoidable because you put your own credibility in doubt.

People play the man because you hide the ball. Show us your ball, bart.

I want to see your balls.

:lol::lol:
Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[born an eel]

It certainly does seem that anything that happens is given a negative spin by their little gang. Absolutely any incident that could be viewed in different ways, is interpreted by that bunch as proof that Kearney can't coach and the club won't have success as long as he is here.

All the same people, always thinking the worst, all the time.

If they didn't claim to be Eels fans they would be thrown in the Swamp thread with all the other trolls.

don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda :crazy:


maybe we should post our membership numbers to prove we are fans and if that can't be provided we can assume they are just trolling. :sarcasm:

 

[ParraAds]

Ill tell you what Pou when I see some positives, I will be the first to compliment him, though for the time being I dont have a great deal of confidence in him, Im sure you already have some positives, and I am happy to acknowledge them when u tell me what they are.

Kearney has won 6 from 26 as a head coach in the NRL... stop ignoring all these positives!

He has a plan... just needs more time.

:crazy:

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Those who criticise tend to be those who haven't seen the NYC team this year and their potential.

Yeah they are for the most part the SG Ball side from 2010 that made the grand final. Good to see we kept them together.

We are being set up for the future and we need to give SK time, and I still dont believe DA or Hagan were right for the club and I am confident if we hold our nerve and ignore the doomsayers , then the future is bright.

So how much time would you give us as a club to turn it around. One more year, two, three. How long ?

 

[TheParraboy]

Kearney has won 6 from 26 as a head coach in the NRL... stop ignoring all these positives!

He has a plan... just needs more time.

:crazy:

Mate we lost 7 games by a whisker last year, if we had this years roster we would have won those plus a few more and made the finals easily. Plus if Hayne played the full 80min this year in our games its 2 from 2. Roster, injuries have cruelled SK. Its more like 18 from 26 , because he is a good coach and comes from good stock

 

[TheParraboy]

So how much time would you give us as a club to turn it around. One more year, two, three. How long ?

I dare say we would want to see marked improvement year to year. Be a genuine top 4 contender by mid 2013 I would have thought. If we are lingering around the bottom 4 by mid season this year, then it doesnt look rosy

 

[IFR33K]

Mate we lost 7 games by a whisker last year, if we had this years roster we would have won those plus a few more and made the finals easily. Plus if Hayne played the full 80min this year in our games its 2 from 2. Roster, injuries have cruelled SK. Its more like 18 from 26 , because he is a good coach and comes from good stock

Mate, there's a lot of ifs there. If my aunty had balls, she'd be my uncle.

SK has the roster he wants, now he needs the runs on the board.

Top 8 should be the bare minimum, we should be aiming for. Anything less will be a disappointment.

 

[Freak2]

We are more than due for a change of luck.

Between Golden Point losses, Hayne's injury, and Hindmarsh virus, and also some cruel referee blunders. (The one against Penrith last year still haunts me, stopping the clock for a handover!!)

I get a real sense that we are getting closer to the mark required when taking a holistic view!

 

[Suitman]

H, sadly you've caught Suity's disaease

I thought you didn't play the man, Bart?

Suity

 

[spartan2153]

Mate we lost 7 games by a whisker last year, if we had this years roster we would have won those plus a few more and made the finals easily. Plus if Hayne played the full 80min this year in our games its 2 from 2. Roster, injuries have cruelled SK. Its more like 18 from 26 , because he is a good coach and comes from good stock

Out of our 6 wins last year we also won them all by 6 points or less. With a couple being last minute. So while you think we were unlucky we were also lucky we werent only 2 from last year. It goes both ways.

A few years ago the sharks lost 12 games by 4 points or less but no one spoke about how unlucky they were. Everyone just laughed at how crap the played so you have to look at it both ways & kearney's record says he has only 6 winms from 26 attempts. Yet the pr machine at the eels tells us he is awesome.

We can have all the structures in the world & the best academy but the buck stops with wins & losses.

If we fail to make the 8 this year i expect the blow torch applied very heavily on his coaching strategy. I also expect a external assesment just like they did for mr anderson if our board is really serious

 

[Avenger]

So how much time would you give us as a club to turn it around. One more year, two, three. How long ?

How long do you think, MITS ? Personally I think that Kearney should see out his contract until the end of 2013 and an assessment made mid next year. The minimum for a satisfactory result in 2012 should be a top 8 finish. If we do not go with him beyond 2013 we should go all out for someone like Bellamy but knowing our luck we will probably just bring back Brian Smith.

 

[Suitman]

How long do you think, MITS ? Personally I think that Kearney should see out his contract iuntil the end of 2013 and an assessment made mid next year.

I think that's a fair assessment.

Suity

 

[Suitman]

SK has the roster he wants,

No he doesn't. He hasn't got Hopoate yet.

Suity

 

[spartan2153]

No he doesn't. He hasn't got Hopoate yet.

Suity

lol. if we had hopoate this year i would expect to finish on 0 points. thats after we got caught being over the cap

 

[Avenger]

No he doesn't. He hasn't got Hopoate yet.

Suity

When Hoppa comes there will be immense pressure on Kearney. Firstly Hoppa will take time to re-adapt to the grind of the NRL. Secondly if it happens at the expense of Hayne (IE Hayne not being a priority re-signing) it will be the beginning of the end for Kearney.

He will look like a fool if he does not retain Hayne and the knives will be sharpened.

 

[born an eel]

. I also expect a external assesment just like they did for mr anderson if our board is really serious

I think you meant an internal assesment and by board members who have been reported as "pushing for a new coach"

 

[IFR33K]

No he doesn't. He hasn't got Hopoate yet.

Suity

:lol::lol:

Well there you go lads.

Suity has come up with 2 years of excuses for SK if failure keeps on occurring.

I believe congratulations are in order

 

[Suitman]

I'm not making any excuses for Kearney at all.
Just pointing out that there is an Origin standard player that Kearney purchased not on the books yet.

Suity

 

[born an eel]

How long do you think, MITS ? Personally I think that Kearney should see out his contract until the end of 2013 and an assessment made mid next year. The minimum for a satisfactory result in 2012 should be a top 8 finish. If we do not go with him beyond 2013 we should go all out for someone like Bellamy but knowing our luck we will probably just bring back Brian Smith.

firstly no matter what happens we should see out his contract.

Depending on performances this year it will determine if he should have his contract extended early. A top 4 finish, would be enough to go early.

If we finish mid field we should evaluate early to mid season next year to determine our future regarding coaching.

If we are in the bottom of the pack , a review should be held at the end of the season and also take into consideration who will be available for 2014. With the final decision made mid season 2013.

Bellamy still has a lot to prove with a legal side and is not the bench mark.
As structure is important, having somebody like Smith in a coaching directors role with a rookie coach may be a could alternative.