The TV rights thread

[BunniesMan]

Fox would need something pretty juicy to give it up.

Sure it can be taken off them but considering how much of a winner its been for them they'll want something in return.

It's not about taking it off them or them willingly giving it up. It's about a FTA channel paying and outbidding fox for it because we're hugely underpaid for the ratings hit that is MNF.

 

[herbert henry1908]

It's not about taking it off them or them willingly giving it up. It's about a FTA channel paying and outbidding fox for it because we're hugely underpaid for the ratings hit that is MNF.

Fox have built it into the success it is.

Offcourse someone can outbid them for it , but if they lose it they will want something in return for it.

You have to remember they are pretty much the only player in pay tv ( unless espn made a bid) we need them to be broadcasting our game , they have a lot of money and will want something good in return for the loss of monday night football.

There simply isnt enough money in free to air TV to get what the NRL needs.

Like it or not they are called negotitiations for a reason. There is give and take on both sides.

 

[Pigskin]

AFL fans to see games live on TV from 2012 in historic broadcast rights deal

• Michael Warner
• From: The Courier-Mail
• April 19, 2011 11

LIVE AFL broadcasts have been guaranteed from next season in a massive win for fans.

AFL chiefs were last night closing in on the biggest broadcast rights deal in Australian sporting history, with all networks agreeing to go live.
But Channel 9, which yesterday lodged a last-ditch bid to reclaim the blue-chip contract, was growing pessimistic about its chances.
Instead, the existing Channel Seven-Network 10 combination had edged ahead in the TV rights race set to earn the AFL close to $1 billion.
A decision on the long-running TV saga is expected by the end of the week.
Nine executives told the AFL they could guarantee live coverage of all four free-to-air home-and-away matches a week, as well as allowing pay TV giant Foxtel to simulcast its games.
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The move would give Foxtel - tipped to pay about $500 million for its share of the contract - access to all nine matches each round live against the gate.
But industry sources said the Seven-Ten consortium, armed with more cash than Nine, will be offered the chance to better the deal - and was poised to swoop.
Seven has angered fans during the current five-year TV rights arrangement by refusing to go live on Friday nights and Sunday afternoons.
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Nein are gonna lose out and we gonna be stuck with them


I bet we don't demand live games


Oink !

 

[azsportza]

If Channel NINE, can't show NRL Live at the moment, how can they show AFL Live. They need to get GEM and GO HD! up and get rid of the stupid law about that it must be on the FTA channels and not just digital. If the government is serious about "digital ready" by 2013, they it will have to be like that in order to keep sport free, live and most importantly in HD!

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...418-1dlor.html

THE AFL'S broadcast partners have been asked to raise their bids to at least $40 million between them with commission talks breaking up yesterday in the knowledge that all nine weekly home-and-away games would be broadcast live from 2012 and that a record rights bonanza is looming.

As the league's billion dollar payday looms Channel Seven and Foxtel have been asked for final bids with indications to both networks that there be an increase of $20 million and potentially $25 million respectively. Channel Nine also met the AFL yesterday to put forward its final four-game bid

While it is believed Channel Ten will agree to pay its contracted share of the minimum $400 million free-to-air rights and continue to televise Saturday afternoon and night games, and split the finals with Seven, the restructured network has not yet guaranteed it will do so.

While Seven is now acting on behalf of Ten and has indicated it would be prepared to televise all four free-to-air games it seems unlikely that it would not attempt to off-sell at least two of those. Strong indications last night were that Channel Nine, should it prove unsuccessful, could attempt to offload Saturday and Sunday afternoons from Seven providing strong weekend lead-ins to its prime time news coverage.

Caro Wilson..does she have a clue about anything..

LIVE footy broadcasts have been guaranteed from next season in a big win for fans.

AFL chiefs were last night closing in on the biggest broadcasts rights deal in Australian history, with all networks agreeing to go live.

But, in a late twist, it emerged Channel 7 and co-bidder Network Ten had split in the negotiations amid growing acrimony over the court case involving defecting Seven sales director James Warburton.

Seven has put a solo offer of $450 million on the table, with Ten in the dark about its partner's intentions.

Lawyers were last night examining a contract Ten believes entitles it to two weekly matches.

"Whatever the AFL announces, there's a lot more to play out on this," a senior industry figure said.

Channel 9 yesterday lodged a last-ditch bid to reclaim the TV rights contract but was growing pessimistic about its chances in the $1 billion race.

Nine executives yesterday told the AFL they could guarantee live coverage of four free-to-air home-and-away matches a week, and allow pay TV giant Foxtel to simulcast its games.

The move would give Foxtel - tipped to pay about $500 million for its share - access to all nine matches live against the gate.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/...-1226041200563

Very interesting...
Seems ten & seven will end up in court...

 

[bobmar28]

Ahh, yes it was, 37000

20 Nine’s Sunday Football Nine 493,000 279,000 37,000 177,000 *** ***

Nevertheless, a massive focus of the upcoming rights needs to remain good viewing times for the Storm in Melbourne and the Reds in Perth.

Even so, NRL (3 cities) came in ahead of AFL(5 cities).

 

[herbert henry1908]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...418-1dlor.html


Caro Wilson..does she have a clue about anything..



http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/...-1226041200563

Very interesting...
Seems ten & seven will end up in court...

this is great news.

if seven get the afl to themselves both nine & ten will be desperate for sport content

 

[Gippsy]

this is great news.

if seven get the afl to themselves both nine & ten will be desperate for sport content

mmm...not so sure. It seems if 7 get it they will have paid a premium, thanks in part to ch.9. It is possible they will then onsell some of the games to 10 or 9 or both anyway, so 9 & 10 could still finish up with some sport content. Also, to throw another spanner in the works is the legal action between 7 & 10, soaking up more dough of these networks and apparently 10 hasn't got a lot of dough to start with.

The cards seem to be falling towards 7 getting the AFL and not much of a challenge for 9 for the NRL, possibly leaving them free to treat the game with the same contempt they have shown us for years.

Hope I'm wrong, & would love some of you guys who are closer to the action to comment, hopefully some thoughts on if you think it will fall this way.

 

[herbert henry1908]

mmm...not so sure. It seems if 7 get it they will have paid a premium, thanks in part to ch.9. It is possible they will then onsell some of the games to 10 or 9 or both anyway, so 9 & 10 could still finish up with some sport content. Also, to throw another spanner in the works is the legal action between 7 & 10, soaking up more dough of these networks and apparently 10 hasn't got a lot of dough to start with.

The cards seem to be falling towards 7 getting the AFL and not much of a challenge for 9 for the NRL, possibly leaving them free to treat the game with the same contempt they have shown us for years.

Hope I'm wrong, & would love some of you guys who are closer to the action to comment, hopefully some thoughts on if you think it will fall this way.

Seven are not going to on sell rights to nine , that much you can guarantee. Maybe to ten , but that likely depends on their court case.

Ten remember now have packer and murdoch involved, these two realise the importance of major sport to a network.

It would be much better for the NRL if we have two networks squaring off for the rights.

 

[Perth Red]

Good news if 7 get it, 10 then can get in a bidding war with 9 for NRL. 10 could f**k 7 over well and truly by telling them to get stuffed and making a massive play for NRL. If the bad blood is true they may well decide to do it.

 

[Ray Mosters]

mmm...not so sure. It seems if 7 get it they will have paid a premium, thanks in part to ch.9. It is possible they will then onsell some of the games to 10 or 9 or both anyway, so 9 & 10 could still finish up with some sport content. Also, to throw another spanner in the works is the legal action between 7 & 10, soaking up more dough of these networks and apparently 10 hasn't got a lot of dough to start with.

The cards seem to be falling towards 7 getting the AFL and not much of a challenge for 9 for the NRL, possibly leaving them free to treat the game with the same contempt they have shown us for years.

Hope I'm wrong, & would love some of you guys who are closer to the action to comment, hopefully some thoughts on if you think it will fall this way.

It depends on which way the next few day go, but we should be alright.

- If 9 poach the AFL and keep all games, then we are in good shape, because 9 still have the first and last rights for the NRL and wont give it up without a competitive bid, a bid 7 is in a financial position to win.

- If 9 get the rights and offload 2 games to 7, or vice versa, or 7 and 10 share them, then all could be active participants in NRL bidding, though with less leeway for big bids.

- A lot depends on what Murdoch and Packer plan on doing with Ten/One/Eleven. If 10 are kept out of it to protect their pay tv sporting properties, then it doesent help us, if they make a genuine play for our rights then we are set for a big payday.

- The worst outcome for us is if 7 pay a lot for the AFL rights and want to show all 4 games, or 10 and 9 are not interested in taking a couple off them, effectively taking 7 out of the game, and then 10 is taken out by Murdoch. If that happens, then we are left with 9 with the first and last bid rights and no other actor in a position to press them.

But even if that happens I am confident an IC will wring a decent deal out of them, not a bonanza but one that is lucrative and guarantees multichanneled games all around the country.

 

[applesauce]

Just on an interesting footnote that I think is relevant and has not been discussed much. 9 lose first-last rights if an oppositions first bid is 20% higher than thier first bid.

So a figure of $700 - $750 first up from 7 or 10 &/or Fox (if 9 get the AFL rights and bid ~$600mill first up) could mean 9 lose all their powers/intimidation for internal negotiations by knowing others bids.

 

[andrew057]

Just on an interesting footnote that I think is relevant and has not been discussed much. 9 lose first-last rights if an oppositions first bid is 20% higher than thier first bid.

So a figure of $700 - $750 first up from 7 or 10 &/or Fox (if 9 get the AFL rights and bid ~$600mill first up) could mean 9 lose all their powers/intimidation for internal negotiations by knowing others bids.

The only way it would happen imo, is if Nine get the AFL rights like you said. No way do Nine with no AFL low ball on a first NRL bid if theres any chance they could lose their first and last rights.

 

[E.T.D]

Seeing as Fox are going so hard at getting all 9 AFL games live and simulcast 4 of those with FTA, it's not too much of a stretch to think that they will do exactly the same with the NRL and get all 8 games and simulcast 3 of those with FTA.

 

[andrew057]

Seeing as Fox are going so hard at getting all 9 AFL games live and simulcast 4 of those with FTA, it's not too much of a stretch to think that they will do exactly the same with the NRL and get all 8 games and simulcast 3 of those with FTA.

There was an article on the AFL rights, that said it will be costing Fox a significant amount of their budget to get all 9 AFL games. I doubt they could afford to do both sports. Ill see if I can dig up the article.

 

[Cletus]

this is great news.

if seven get the afl to themselves both nine & ten will be desperate for sport content

I agree, we need Ten to be one of the bidders and at least two networks to bid for it.

 

[applesauce]

Seeing as Fox are going so hard at getting all 9 AFL games live and simulcast 4 of those with FTA, it's not too much of a stretch to think that they will do exactly the same with the NRL and get all 8 games and simulcast 3 of those with FTA.

I don't think that is right...

Foxtel seem to think subscriptions in NSW & QLD is approaching a ceiling despite strong growth continuing over many years.

They are banking (yet again) on southern state number increases.

They might try to get simulcast but won't have the money to back up the demands after outlaying it for the AFL.

If we get 4 games live on FTA (assuming expansion takes place). I will cancel my subscription.

 

[Cletus]

I don't think that is right...

Foxtel seem to think subscriptions in NSW & QLD is approaching a ceiling despite strong growth continuing over many years.

They are banking (yet again) on southern state number increases.

They might try to get simulcast but won't have the money to back up the demands after outlaying it for the AFL.

If we get 4 games live on FTA (assuming expansion takes place). I will cancel my subscription.

They wouldn't be saying that sh*t if there was another Pay tv operator on the scene, because it's a monopoly they can treat NRL like sh*t.

 

[Goldfields_Titans]

So, as it stands, it may well be down to a bidding war between Ten and Nine? Seven out of the equation for now or never?

 

[andrew057]

So, as it stands, it may well be down to a bidding war between Ten and Nine? Seven out of the equation for now or never?

Seven seem very serious on still getting Origin.