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The TV rights thread

Who would you like to see get the rights providing the price is right?

  • Seven

    Votes: 57 20.5%
  • Nine

    Votes: 49 17.6%
  • Ten

    Votes: 110 39.6%
  • Rights split between FTA channels

    Votes: 147 52.9%

  • Total voters
    278
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Gippsy

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If the game was simulcast shared on fta and Fox, what is the advantage of getting Fox?

Do Fox have ads during the game? I don't have it so don't know. Is that what would keep people paying for for Fox if it's also on fta?
 

Ray Mosters

Juniors
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the AFL rights lose money and the NRL rights make money

only the AFL rights would be hard to justify
Our next set of rights wont be so profitable

If we are going to get anything close to what we are worth, then the NRL will soon be a loss-leading property like the AFL.
 
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If the game was simulcast shared on fta and Fox, what is the advantage of getting Fox?

Do Fox have ads during the game? I don't have it so don't know. Is that what would keep people paying for for Fox if it's also on fta?

No ads during play on fox.

Also you would get HD coverage , which nine are no longer doing.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ackle-key-issues/story-e6frg7mf-1226042450737

NRL powerbrokers tackle key issues

Brent Read, Rugby League
From: The Australian
April 21, 2011 12:00AM

TWO of the game's most pressing issues will move a step closer to resolution today when powerbrokers from across the code meet to discuss the future of Monday night football and the identity of the game's inaugural eight commissioners.

With the AFL on the verge of announcing its next television deal, the NRL's broadcasting committee will meet consultants LEK to thrash out a series of key issues in the lead-up to broadcasting negotiations. Monday night football is at the top of the agenda.

Some club officials have raised concerns over its impact on their bottom line but the flip side of that is the ratings the game has attracted on pay television this year.

Last Monday night's game between St George Illawarra and South Sydney was the fifth-highest show in the history of Foxtel, attracting more than 390,000 viewers.

The other issues for the television committee are the introduction of breaks in play to accommodate advertising and the future of Saturday night football, in particular whether it would be better placed on commercial rather than pay television.

No matter what the outcome, the NRL is well placed to cash in on unprecedented interest in the game. On pay television this year, nine of the top 10 shows have been NRL games. The NRL's spike in ratings comes as the AFL prepares to announce its next broadcasting deal, with estimates it could achieve its $1 billion target.

"We have an interest in their outcome on a number of levels but most importantly, it's our results including our most recent Monday night game that are what we're concerned with in preparing for our negotiations," NRL chief executive David Gallop said.

"The meeting tomorrow is just an update on a few of the developments that are going on in the industry and how we can continue to place ourselves to make the most of the opportunities."

On the future of Monday night football, Gallop was quick to point out the game had attracted record ratings this year.

"We need to put some precision around what Monday night football is worth to the game so an informed decision can be made about its future," Gallop said.

"It's hard to argue with the ratings that it is currently producing. But the clubs need to see that they are getting value for that."

The NRL television talks are tied to the formation of the independent commission, which is expected to edge towards fruition today when the inaugural eight commissioners are finalised.

Representatives from News Limited, the Australian Rugby League, the Queensland Rugby League and the NRL clubs have scheduled a phone hook-up to discuss the appointments, six of which are understood to have already been pencilled in.

The commission will include at least one woman and a person with a background in indigenous affairs. Former Australia forward John Grant will be among the final eight, while there is support for former Qantas chairman Gary Pemberton and former Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg.

While the appointment of commissioners is seen as a significant step, some issues are still bubbling away behind the scenes, most notably the clubs' request for News Limited (publisher of The Australian) to sign a non-competition clause which would prevent a repeat of the Super League war.
 

babyg

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There is no way that will happen.

Fox would lose too many subscriptions.

4 out of 9 ( when we get 2 extra teams) is the best we can hope for IMO

If fox don't want it to happen then they can pay the f**k up.

We shouldn't let them have a monopoly on Saturday nights if they're not going to pay top dollar.
 
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If fox don't want it to happen then they can pay the f**k up.

We shouldn't let them have a monopoly on Saturday nights if they're not going to pay top dollar.


Thats my point , they will pay what they have to pay to stop it from happening.

It would be disastrous for their business if 5 games were on free TV.
 

docbrown

Coach
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Any news on the AFL deal? That was today wasn't it?

I'm doesn't sound like they've settled with Telstra yet as they're now asking for 1 live internet game - my guess the Saturday twilight match. Unsure of the crossover with Fox because of the Telstra connection between the two and whether that will affect Fox's price accordingly.

They need to finalise internet before they announce so they can claim their billion dollar rights blah blah blah.
 

CC_Roosters

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Has there ever been a RL pure highlights show like match of the day in the uk? I would love to see something along these lines on a FTA channel that loses out on the rights. 1 hour 30 mins show with 15 minutes extended highlights of 1 game then key moments, tries and controversies in the rest of the games with semi-insightful discussion at least (tactics, break down of key plays)
 

nrlnrl

First Grade
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Surely they have heard of the old saying "you have to spend money to make money"

And surely you know that you just can't keep spending money without a solid financial plan / budget.

It's like quite a few people who win the lottery / Lotto / Powerball & aren't used to having a lot of money in comparison to what they previously had. They start spending & then keep spending because they think they have an unlimited supply & become accustomed to a certain lifestyle. Without a plan, their costs spiral out of control & there's little or nothing being saved or added to the funds.

A lot of new companies are like people moving into a neighbourhood they want to live in, but can't really afford. They spend to give the impression they belong & must keep spending to maintain their status, but then without a solid plan they are usually forced to relocate or if they do stay, make some big cuts in their luxury spending. ( think One HD )
 

nrlnrl

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Has there ever been a RL pure highlights show like match of the day in the uk? I would love to see something along these lines on a FTA channel that loses out on the rights. 1 hour 30 mins show with 15 minutes extended highlights of 1 game then key moments, tries and controversies in the rest of the games with semi-insightful discussion at least (tactics, break down of key plays)

They couldn't do that, the other channels that had the rights wouldn't allow it. Not a bad idea, but just not possible with other channels paying big $ for exclusive rights.
 

Stormcap

Juniors
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Our next set of rights wont be so profitable

If we are going to get anything close to what we are worth, then the NRL will soon be a loss-leading property like the AFL.

This is what everyone here seems to overlook. On the last deal we sold each game for approx 500k on average, while the AFL sold theirs for approx $1mil. So NRL being profitable while AFL isn't, is hardly an indication of equal or greater value.

These are very rough figures, but on average both codes get simliar ratings and 30 seconds of time is worth on average about $20K , 1 AFL game can fit in around 30 mins of ads compared to 20mins for an NRL game.

Going on this an AFL game sells 60x20k =$1.2mil to NRL 40x20k=$800K, now with costs of say 200k per game, you can see AFL breaks even while NRL makes 100k.

Obviously this is very rough and only for FTA and NRL has Origin and more rounds etc but you can see how NRL being profitable doesn't mean it has a greater value.

Everyone wants a piece of the NRL rights but that has alot to do with them being sold at a bargain basement price last time. Once the price gets up to the point they are a loss leader interest will wane because unlike the AFL the NRL isn't proven to be valuable as a loss product yet.

What the league needs to do is get a decent increase this time and look to improve even more next time and also continue to push other revenue streams suh as attendacne and membership.
 

bobmar28

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This is what everyone here seems to overlook. On the last deal we sold each game for approx 500k on average, while the AFL sold theirs for approx $1mil. So NRL being profitable while AFL isn't, is hardly an indication of equal or greater value.

These are very rough figures, but on average both codes get simliar ratings and 30 seconds of time is worth on average about $20K , 1 AFL game can fit in around 30 mins of ads compared to 20mins for an NRL game.

Going on this an AFL game sells 60x20k =$1.2mil to NRL 40x20k=$800K, now with costs of say 200k per game, you can see AFL breaks even while NRL makes 100k.

Obviously this is very rough and only for FTA and NRL has Origin and more rounds etc but you can see how NRL being profitable doesn't mean it has a greater value.

Everyone wants a piece of the NRL rights but that has alot to do with them being sold at a bargain basement price last time. Once the price gets up to the point they are a loss leader interest will wane because unlike the AFL the NRL isn't proven to be valuable as a loss product yet.

What the league needs to do is get a decent increase this time and look to improve even more next time and also continue to push other revenue streams suh as attendacne and membership.

Like when channel nine smashes channel seven in the Sunday evening news ratings in Sydney? 467,000/280,000. Right after the game.
 
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docbrown

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Like when channel nine smashes channel seven in the Sunday evening news ratings in Sydney? 467,000/280,000. Right after the game.

And now imagine if there were two games on a Sunday with 1 of the 4 teams being a QLD team and at least 2 others being NSW teams.
 

Stormcap

Juniors
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Doesn't change the fact that an NRL game has 20 mins of ads. Where i work at CCA we judge a minute of ads to 1mil audience to be worth around $70k. It doesn't matter to us whether the audience is in Perth or Sydney. A Powerade sale is worth the same.

People on here are saying Origin is worth $50mil a year ? but why?

In the end its only 60 mins of ads. Granted thoses ads are worth maybe 200k a min but thats still only $12mil a year max.

Either NRL has more breaks or longer gsmes or accepts that what the AFL gets for its right isn't really relevent.
 

Stormcap

Juniors
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Like when channel nine smashes channel seven in the Sunday evening news ratings in Sydney? 467,000/280,000. Right after the game.

Possibly, but even then, that means 5 year rights are worth about $650mil just to break even. The best we can hope for is $700mil. Thats still a 50% increase.
 

docbrown

Coach
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Doesn't change the fact that an NRL game has 20 mins of ads. Where i work at CCA we judge a minute of ads to 1mil audience to be worth around $70k. It doesn't matter to us whether the audience is in Perth or Sydney. A Powerade sale is worth the same.

Granted - but as you said yourself the expansion of the AFL's ad potential comes from pregame and post game hoohah.

There's no reason why a Sunday double header can't incorporate a 1:30pm coverage start with longer half times and a gap between the two games.

Also - not saying they're in with a chance - but there's opportunity to do the same with 10 on Friday's if there's a 7pm coverage start, 7:20pm first game kick off, longer half times & in between game break, 11:10pm second game end and a post game wrap up. I've also mentioned that if no scoreboard is shown, they can simulcast those games on digital to increase the overall number of viewers at 7:30pm and double sell those ads across the two channels.

Bringing in a 4th Qld team and having a Qld team feature in each doubleheader is only going to increase the number of metro viewers.

Edit: I'll also add that the NRL is currently examining the breaks at 20 minutes as has been brought up in this thread previously.
 
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Mark Rudd

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Breaks at 20 mins is a dumb idea. Personally, I'd increase the half time break to 15mins - technically I think its 10. If its 15 now then go 20.

Plus after every try, increase the adverstisments that we currently have by 2. Like the AFL, play waits.

And increase the adds when the ball goes into touch - scrum by at least one as well.

More ads - yes. But more ads, more money. Simple.
 
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