Thinktank - How to derail GWS Pansies & GC Softies ...

[Phil McGrawhan]

i would love to see the TV ratings if we were on a level field with Fumbleball.

Favourable media stories.
Discretions buried immediatly
Prime time coverage OZ wide no matter what the ratings (Pink twinkies come to mind).
WE would be miles in front,but sadly none of the above happens now.

 

[thommo4pm]

Not sure how fair including away figures is..

Especially given the Brisbane AFL team re-located from Melbourne (Fitzroy if I'm not mistaken)....they would still have a following down in Melbourne from the old Fitzroy supporters....so they get to play in front of those supporters in Melbourne at least once a month.
The Broncos started from scratch and had no following in Sydney when they came into the comp.

 

[parano1a]

Sydney and Brisbane have had the AFL option for 30 years, we still think its sh*t. Just goes to show that when people have an option, they wont pick AFL. Notice that in the 3 competitive areas of NRL vs AFL, the NRL is up 2-1?

This isn't really a valid argument, when the people of Adelaide and Perth were given the choice of both codes, their NRL teams folded within two years...

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

This isn't really a valid argument, when the people of Adelaide and Perth were given the choice of both codes, their NRL teams folded within two years...

Not due to a lack of support. Perth was basically forced to pay for themselves from the get go, and for visiting teams. They were never given a chance unlike every single AFL expansion side who have been spoon fed, some for 30 years. Adelaide on the other hand were quite successful until they were forced to change their home ground to a cricket oval in the middle of no where, corperate support just fell away.

If both teams were still in the comp, and supported properly by the ARL and now the NRL, they would both probably be as successful as the Storm, if not more successful.

 

[MsStorm]

Especially given the Brisbane AFL team re-located from Melbourne (Fitzroy if I'm not mistaken)....they would still have a following down in Melbourne from the old Fitzroy supporters....so they get to play in front of those supporters in Melbourne at least once a month.
The Broncos started from scratch and had no following in Sydney when they came into the comp.

True and you can throw in the South Melbourne supporters here in Melbourne that follow the Sydney Swans in that mix. If I am not mistaken they have something like 6,000 - 8,000 Members here in Melbourne.

 

[Evenflow]

much like how we claim Mel Gibson and Russel Crowe as Australian, and Queensland claim Greg Inglis as theirs.

Just because some claim these things doesn't make it true. Just for the record i don't claim any of those examples you gave.

 

[Perth Red]

kids and schools, it's the only way! That's were it all starts and that is where we really need to keep our focus. After that it is corporate $'s, we need to make sure our game is the most attractive to businesses and that means a clean image, decent corporate facilties at grounds and strong National media coverage. Finally making sure fans are engaged. Interesting to see some comments from residents of Blacktown in that survey feeling the area wasn't supported by Penrith or Parra and therefore an AFL team would carve out a market.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

kids and schools, it's the only way! That's were it all starts and that is where we really need to keep our focus. After that it is corporate $'s, we need to make sure our game is the most attractive to businesses and that means a clean image, decent corporate facilties at grounds and strong National media coverage. Finally making sure fans are engaged. Interesting to see some comments from residents of Blacktown in that survey feeling the area wasn't supported by Penrith or Parra and therefore an AFL team would carve out a market.

Im in Blacktown every week, its is very very strong in Rugby League. It is a heartland, the AFL are in for a rude shock.

Its amazing how many footy jerseys you see in Blacktown, especially in the off season. I see more jerseys in Blacktown then I do Parra during the offseason.

 

[Bluebags1908]

Is Blacktown considerd Parramatta or Penrith territory? I think on the very edge of Penrith territory, but anything after Blacktown going east is Parramatta (for e.g. Seven Hills).

There are 3 junior Rugby League clubs in Blacktown itself (not including the numerous clubs in surrounding suburbs), and Blacktown City and Blacktowwn RSL play in Penrith Junior League, and a new club formed just last year Blacktown PCYC is in the Parramatta Junior League.

I travel out in Blacktown area a lot and it's only a 10 minute drive to Parramatta if you get onto the M4. Blacktown itself is geographically closer to Parramatta, but where that AFL ground is at is further west at Rooty Hill that's in Penrith territory and is closer to Penrith than Parramatta. And just 2 train stops from Rooty Hill going west towards Penrith is St. Marys which is a major Rugby League club in itself below NRL level that used to play in the Metropilitan Cup and is serviced by a large Leagues club for that level of competition.

I think the solution to this potential 'problem' is having a Blacktown side in the NSW Cup as a feeder club to Penrith or at the very least in the Bundy Cup.

There's sh!tloads of Rugby League clubs in the area but having a Blacktown side in a semi-pro comp just below NRL level wouldn't hurt will it .

 

[Bluebags1908]

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JUN I OR RUGB Y
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PCYC BLACKTOWN

PCYC Blacktown’s junior Rugby League competition​

has been surprisingly invigorated with a great band

of new players. In putting together 3 teams for its

first year in the Parramatta competition, the Club is
predicting a big future for its teams. This year, PCYC
Blacktown successfully fielded teams in the U-6,U-8
and U-10 divisions.​

Facing many challenges to get the teams together,

volunteer coordinator ​

SteveWarwick networked with the African-refugee
community in Blacktown and a number of promising
new players helped the Club enter the competition
in round 5.


“All the kids have never played before”, he said.

Steve drives a bus to collect the young players for

training and games, and said he was blown away
when he went to pick up one young African player
and a busload appeared, all wanting to play. In their
first game against Marconi, the team lost 52-0. Later
in the season in a re-match, they lost only 14-8.​

“Next year, we’ll have more than double the numbers
playing. It’s been a great success, and we’re here to stay",

he said.​

 

[saints_fireup]

I find it amusing how defensive the rugby league community has become about the issue. The jibes merely make the league look nervous.

Most reasonable people know that western Sydney is Rugby League heartland. It will take a considerable amount of time for any other code to develop a support base in the area, if at all.

All that is needed is a 'good luck, but it won't work'. The in-depth discussions achieve nothing other than creating the perception that the die hard league fans feel threatened about that expansion of the AFL and the quality of the administration. Accept it is happening, and move on. If league is the better brand, the AFL attemtps will fail.

 

[Big R]

You guys seem to want to both ways. You say AFL is crap and going to fail yet you all talk about how we can derail them (like they are going to succeed). Relax guys.... if you say you have the best product, then you have nothing to worry about.

A lot of people on here are like that pathetic bully at school who picks on others kids. He calls them gay and geniuss (not intelligent to come up with anything else) because deep down he knows in the near future he is going to a s*it kicking nobody.

Here is some advice...

1. Start paying your guys an actual salary ... its pretty pathetic at the moment... no wonder they are all going overseas to more superior competitions. Considering you have less players on a list compared to an AFL team.... you would think you guys would be able to pay more???

2. Get some crowds! ("oh.. ooh... but in Melbourne you have a crap city with nothing to do, that's why you get good crowds.... in Sydney we have everything") Ok fine, think that way. Just don't expect to have a successful sporting competition. You can be like LA in the US. 20 million people.... everything and anything to do.... but can't get an NFL franchise because there is no demand. If that's how you think, then you really don't have time for this forum... too much to do in Sydney!

3. Expand ffs into Perth and Adelaide. Stop with that stupid mentality ("oh we don't care about the rest of Australia....we have the 2 most populated states following our code.... everyone else can get stuffed .....victorians are gay.") Remember AFL is your enemy.... not Victoria. Remember that. You should be trying to embrace us to your game.

4. Please don't even talk about expanding in Papua New Guinea. Are you serious? Maybe you could develop rugby over there and bring over some players, but to introduce a team!??? People who suggest that obviously didn't finish school and have no concept of the world we live in.

5. Get a tougher CEO! I like David Gallop, but he is too soft! Even people down here hate Andrew Demitriou, he is ruthless in getting his way, stubborn and arrogant .... exactly the CEO the AFL needs at this time.

 

[bobmar28]

Not on these figures we don't.

NRL Average attendance 2009: 17,343
AFL Average attendance 2009: 37,785

Margin of total AFL 2009 attendance over NRL: 3,504,242 (with 16 fewer games)

Number of NRL teams in the top 16 of a combined AFL/NRL table of 2009 average attendances: 1 - Brisbane Broncos (16th)

Number of NRL teams with a total 2009 attendance over 500,000 - 3
Number of AFL teams with a total 2009 attendance over 500,000 - 16

Brisbane Broncos 2009 average attendance 26,545 (1st in NRL)
Brisbane Lions (AFL) 2009 average attendance 30,085 (12th in AFL)

Margin: best NRL 2009 av. attendance (Brisbane) over worst AFL av. attendance (Port Adelaide) - 956.

Margin: best AFL 2009 av. attendance (Collingwood) over worst NRL 2009 av. attendance (Canberra) - 44,583.

Melbourne Storm 2009 average attendance 16,901
Sydney Swans (AFL) 2009 average attendance 30,997

Bottom NRL team (Sydney Roosters) 2009 average attendance 12,877
Bottom AFL team (Melbourne) 2009 average attendance 28,920

NRL team: largest provincial centre (Newcastle) 2009 av. attend 14,945
AFL team: largest provincial centre (Geelong) 2009 av. attend 43,448

Number of NRL 2009 attendances over 30,000 - 14.
Number of AFL 2009 attendances over 30,000 - 128

Number of NRL 2009 attendances over 50,000 - 4
Number of AFL 2009 attendances over 50,000 - 30

If the product is superior then the marketing is profoundly inferior.

Source: stats.rleague.com

Why did you avoid quoting TV ratings?

 

[Bluebags1908]

You guys seem to want to both ways. You say AFL is crap and going to fail yet you all talk about how we can derail them (like they are going to succeed). Relax guys.... if you say you have the best product, then you have nothing to worry about.

A lot of people on here are like that pathetic bully at school who picks on others kids. He calls them gay and geniuss (not intelligent to come up with anything else) because deep down he knows in the near future he is going to a s*it kicking nobody.

Here is some advice...

1. Start paying your guys an actual salary ... its pretty pathetic at the moment... no wonder they are all going overseas to more superior competitions. Considering you have less players on a list compared to an AFL team.... you would think you guys would be able to pay more???

2. Get some crowds! ("oh.. ooh... but in Melbourne you have a crap city with nothing to do, that's why you get good crowds.... in Sydney we have everything") Ok fine, think that way. Just don't expect to have a successful sporting competition. You can be like LA in the US. 20 million people.... everything and anything to do.... but can't get an NFL franchise because there is no demand. If that's how you think, then you really don't have time for this forum... too much to do in Sydney!

3. Expand ffs into Perth and Adelaide. Stop with that stupid mentality ("oh we don't care about the rest of Australia....we have the 2 most populated states following our code.... everyone else can get stuffed .....victorians are gay.") Remember AFL is your enemy.... not Victoria. Remember that. You should be trying to embrace us to your game.

4. Please don't even talk about expanding in Papua New Guinea. Are you serious? Maybe you could develop rugby over there and bring over some players, but to introduce a team!??? People who suggest that obviously didn't finish school and have no concept of the world we live in.

5. Get a tougher CEO! I like David Gallop, but he is too soft! Even people down here hate Andrew Demitriou, he is ruthless in getting his way, stubborn and arrogant .... exactly the CEO the AFL needs at this time.

The reason why people are so defensive and anti-AFL on this forum, isn't because they are "worried" about a supposed AFL takeover, it's because of the rubbish papers like the Daily Terrorgraph trot out and the constant 'doom and gloom' and 'this is WAR' articles that are shoved down our throats.

I appreciate that the papers have to report the news about Kevin Spacey, but was there really a need for a back page headline such as "AFL COUP WILL ROCK NRL"?

Can you imagine if the Herald-Sun in Melbourne had a back page headline in today's paper "SUPER 15 RUGBY TEAM WILL ROCK AFL"? And when Melbourne Storm entered the comp in 1998 and appointed renowned premiership winning and Australian test coach Chris Anderson, were there any headlines such as "NRL COUP ROCKS AFL" a la Kevin Spacey?

Or were there any doom and gloom scare-mongering articles when AFL man Brian Waldron was appointed CEO of Melbourne Storm a la the appointment of Grant Mayer?

THIS is what people are resenting - the constant negative media propaganda barrage. Any bit of decent research into how strong Rugby League grassroots is in Western Sydney will show that Rugby League will have no problems. In fact, the NRL and NSWRL Western Sydney Academy are aiming for a massive 25% increase in Junior numbers and 12 new junior Rugby League clubs in Western Sydney by 2013, source: http://westsydneyrl.leaguenet.com.a...ws]=20&tx_ttnews[backPid]=44&cHash=c0dc16bd5e

 

[jargan83]

kids and schools, it's the only way!

When my family did a stint in Perth from 90-93, I went to Wilson Primary school here in Perth and we played Rugby League against several other primary schools. Even the kids who played fumbleball loved it

 

[Mr Angry]

The best way to counter it.

Take them to league game - then take them to a VFL game.

Problem solved.

 

[Big R]

The reason why people are so defensive and anti-AFL on this forum, isn't because they are "worried" about a supposed AFL takeover, it's because of the rubbish papers like the Daily Terrorgraph trot out and the constant 'doom and gloom' and 'this is WAR' articles that are shoved down our throats.

I appreciate that the papers have to report the news about Kevin Spacey, but was there really a need for a back page headline such as "AFL COUP WILL ROCK NRL"?

Can you imagine if the Herald-Sun in Melbourne had a pack page headline in today's paper "SUPER 15 RUGBY TEAM WILL ROCK AFL"? And when Melbourne Storm entered the comp in 1998 and appointed renowned premiership winning and Australian test coach Chris Anderson, were there any headlines such as "NRL COUP ROCKS AFL" a la Kevin Spacey?

Or were there any doom and gloom scare-mongering articles when AFL man Brian Waldron was appointed CEO of Melbourne Storm a la the appointment of Grant Mayer?

THIS is what people are resenting - the constant negative media propaganda barrage. Any bit of decent research into how strong Rugby League grassroots is in Western Sydney will show that Rugby League will have no problems. In fact, the NRL and NSWRL Western Sydney Academy are aiming for a massive 25% increase in Junior numbers and 12 new junior Rugby League clubs in Western Sydney by 2013

Well yeah that is a fair point, I can't imagine the papers running something like that down here. Maybe News Ltd is trying to help the NRL out though. They must be running these headlines for a reason... they have a significant share in your competition and obviously want it to succeed. Maybe it is just a way of them gathering the NRL masses and getting people in Sydney more behind and supportive of the NRL. All these headlines might actually touch and worry a lot of people, Even if people like yourself say its not needed because you know the real facts, it still probably can't hurt, can it?

 

[Ray Mosters]

The reason why people are so defensive and anti-AFL on this forum, isn't because they are "worried" about a supposed AFL takeover, it's because of the rubbish papers like the Daily Terrorgraph trot out and the constant 'doom and gloom' and 'this is WAR' articles that are shoved down our throats.
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Or were there any doom and gloom scare-mongering articles when AFL man Brian Waldron was appointed CEO of Melbourne Storm a la the appointment of Grant Mayer?

THIS is what people are resenting - the constant negative media propaganda barrage.

And yet people fall for it and are falling for it time and again.

There wasnt a single negative Waldron article in Melbourne when he went to the Storm, not one drawing of battle lines, Melbournites couldnt care less. Yet Grant Mayer switches codes, something which is common among sporting administrators, and its all part of the ongoing "WAR"

The Terrorgraph is in a self-replicating fear cycle, every fearmongering article boosts sales, and makes people more paranoid, and more likely to buy papers with similar articles in the future.

The only thing you wont see in the paper is the idea that there is no war, and that there is nothing to fear from AFL in relation to league.

Threads like this are actually kind of pathetic, that any league fan could actually be genuinely sh*tscared of a boogyman as feeble as AFL is just nuts!

 

[bobmar28]

Where is Sheedy? Is he in Sydney? He should be, or are they doing all this on the cheap (from Melbourne).

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Where is Sheedy? Is he in Sydney? He should be, or are they doing all this on the cheap (from Melbourne).

Im sure he will show up sometime in the future,after he has conquered China ,& the rest of Asia(Clarkey has the rest of the Nothern Hemisphere covered)...after all Shirds is the international Ambassador for fumbleball.