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Tim Moltzen ... (war is over)

Ronnie Dobbs

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He goes out and plays NRL week in week out so I think he is tough enough...what do you do? Sit on a computer and bad mouth people...I know who is tougher.

:thumb well said mate.

Indeed. I had dreams of playing NRL and have had all my life. Luckily for me, I wasn't good enough to be bagged on forums.

That goes for players of all clubs. Nerds om keyboards bagging people off is hilarious. Talk about wannbes. While the players are out rooting glamours, getting paid to do something they love, we get to sit in dark rooms or at a desk all day and bag them out.

We're so lucky.
 
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Bring back choc

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Interesting statement from Doust today re: moltzen. Cheek out on dragons website or twitter app.
Basically cracking the shits and drilling the tigers credibility.

I thought the tide had turned but to be honest i Still not overly confident we will have moltzen.
 

Willow

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Interesting statement from Doust today re: moltzen. Cheek out on dragons website or twitter app.
Basically cracking the shits and drilling the tigers credibility.

I thought the tide had turned but to be honest i Still not overly confident we will have moltzen.
It's in the Campbelltown media now. They've let him go.

WESTS Tigers fullback Tim Moltzen has been released to play with the St George Illawarra Dragons in 2012 and beyond.The 23-year-old signed with the Dragons mid season after being given permission by the Tigers to negotiate with a year to run on his contract.

On Monday, the Tigers granted Moltzen a formal release from his contract.


Full saga:
http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....-dragons-demand-to-take-fullback/2320620.aspx
 

boxa777

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Well written and a concerted effort on his part to apply the blowtorch back on the Tigers who are clearly trying to stall to get what they want.

Doust has conducted himself very well in this process and the Tigers are highlighted as the pathetic, shady and desperate club of which they are.

You're right though, it did feel like the tide was turning slightly our way but now it's even money again.
 

Bring back choc

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It's in the Campbelltown media now. They've let him go.

WESTS Tigers fullback Tim Moltzen has been released to play with the St George Illawarra Dragons in 2012 and beyond.The 23-year-old signed with the Dragons mid season after being given permission by the Tigers to negotiate with a year to run on his contract.

On Monday, the Tigers granted Moltzen a formal release from his contract.


Full saga:
http://www.macarthuradvertiser.com....-dragons-demand-to-take-fullback/2320620.aspx

Twitter is talking about this article being false and incorrect.
 

andrew9148

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Well written and a concerted effort on his part to apply the blowtorch back on the Tigers who are clearly trying to stall to get what they want.

Doust has conducted himself very well in this process and the Tigers are highlighted as the pathetic, shady and desperate club of which they are.

You're right though, it did feel like the tide was turning slightly our way but now it's even money again.

If he was released on Monday as MacArthur paper says why are dragons cracking it on Wednesday. I reckon MacArthur paper wrong
 

blacklock

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now the tigers have backflipped again and the dragons are taking the case to the NRL.


god..what a joke this has become. is he really worth this effort? hes no billy slater. bad form on the tigers part...but yeh, its become rather unprofessional.
 

Willow

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If he was released on Monday as MacArthur paper says why are dragons cracking it on Wednesday. I reckon MacArthur paper wrong
The MacArthur article was at 1:00am, the Dragons media release was at 9:40pm that night, so I'd say there was yet another development during the day out in WT land.

Statement From Dragons CEO Peter Doust: Tim Moltzen Signing Facts & Update

12/10/2011 7:39:40 PM

St George Illawarra Dragons CEO Peter Doust On Wednesday issued the following regarding the signing of Tim Moltzen:

On July 8 this year, the Dragons publicly announced that we had agreed to terms with Tim Moltzen for three years beginning in 2012. On this day, Stephen Humphries telephoned me to express his dissatisfaction with the timing of our announcement.

Whilst I listened to his comments on the timing, it was certainly clear to me from our conversation that the Wests Tigers intended to release Tim Moltzen from the final year of his contract with their Club.

Whilst Stephen continues to state publicly that he has never formalized the release of Tim Moltzen, Tim’s Manager Martin Tauber advised us on a number of occasions that the release was “no issue”.

Given these expressions of intent that we received, in good faith, we included Tim Moltzen as part of our roster and planning for 2012 and provided a three year contract which Tim Moltzen and Martin Tauber signed on July 12.

On the same day that Stephen expressed his frustration (July 8) that our game day announcement of Tim's signing was an issue, Tigers Coach Tim Sheens addressed this situation in his post-game press conference, denying it was a distraction. Sheens said ‘The boys were aware that Timmy was moving on …”

Tim’s Manager Martin Tauber has also publicly stated in various media channels that Stephen Humphries had verbally agreed to a release for Tim. Going even further to say “There is no issue.. He (Tim) will be at the Dragons next year” (July 12).

Tim Moltzen himself discussed his move to the Dragons publicly “It’s a weight off my shoulders … I don’t have to worry about the issue any more. It’s put to bed and my future is decided” (August 2).

Tigers five-eighth Benji Marshall, who shares a house with Tim Moltzen, is also on the public record acknowledging that Tim would be moving on at the end of the season. “He’s flying for us. He’s a big loss for the club, a massive loss. I’m devastated he’s going, especially the way he’s been playing. That’s rugby league” (Sept 12).

The Dragons have documentation from our meetings and discussions with Martin Tauber and Tim Moltzen where all arrangements in relation to the contract for Tim Moltzen were discussed. Martin also discussed the terms arranged with Wests Tigers regarding Tim’s “Deed of Release”.

Tim Moltzen has met with our incoming Head Coach Stephen Price where a number of matters were discussed including the fact that Tim had indicated that he would be moving to Wollongong.

It is quite obvious that some circumstances at the Wests Tigers have changed in recent times, otherwise why only now three months later are we made aware that there is an issue?

We believe there are still a lot of unanswered questions in relation to this issue.

It is accurate to note that this contract is yet to be registered by the NRL, as we have been waiting for the formality of the receipt of the official “Deed of Release” from the Wests Tigers. Martin Tauber had been chasing this and even indicated that he thought that this had already been completed by the Wests Tigers.

On September 27 the Tauber Management Group emailed the Dragons to enquire if we were yet to receive the official release from the Wests Tigers stating “… if not, please respond by return email and I will follow-up for you”.

In terms of the registration of a “Deed of Release”, in my some 11 years as CEO of the Dragons such arrangements have always been considered a formality and a situation such as this has never previously presented.
Furthermore I strongly believe that the game generally, athletes and their Managers have not been keen to formalize “Deeds of Release” without prospective contract arrangements in place.

Admittedly if we did have the signed release from the Wests Tigers then we would not be in this situation.

However, we strongly believe this matter should be judged on the principles of intent and actions arising in good faith.

Interestingly, at present, we are yet to formally sign the “Deeds of Release” for Darius Boyd and Ratu Peni Tagive but they are all moving on to other Clubs for next season because that is our intentions and verbal agreements were made with the players and their Managers.

If things were to suddenly change at our Club, as they appear to have for the Wests Tigers, we would not be reconsidering our position as we would stand by our conversations, assurances and undertakings that our Club had given to these players and their Managers, who at present are still officially contracted to the Dragons for 2012. In our opinion, that is not the right thing to do for any of the parties concerned.

The Dragons had not been approached by Tim Moltzen, Martin Tauber or the Wests Tigers to suggest that there was an issue with the three year Dragons contract that had been signed on July 12.

Our suspicions were raised earlier last week when both Martin Tauber and Tim Moltzen did not return phone calls to Dragons staff and Tim also failed to front for a pre-arranged meeting prior to his departure for an end of season overseas trip with other Wests Tigers players.

On October 6 Martin Tauber finally returned calls, where he indicated that he does not wish to meet Dragons staff in an attempt to resolve the issue and that it is something that needs to be sorted out between the two Clubs.

So given, the NRL have not yet registered Tim Moltzen’s signed Dragons contract for 2012-2014, we have been investigating our legal position over the past days. Certainly some sections within the NRL rules are worth exploring in protecting the Dragons’ interests.

Furthermore we have been in daily contact with Wests Tigers Management since last Tuesday ensuring they understood our “good faith” actions throughout negotiations with Tim and his Manager and were encouraged to believe that the release would be forthcoming.

Public comments made by Wests Tigers CEO Stephen Humphries on Monday, October 10 confirmed that position,

“The way that it is likely to play out is that he will be going to the Dragons. We don’t want to stretch it out.

“We will have a conversation with them in the next few days about it, but we have been working on the assumption that he won’t be here next season”.

Now today, instead of confirmation of the official release that we were encouraged to believe would happen, we have been informed by Wests Tigers that they wish to enter into further discussions with us which we believe will prolong the issue unreasonably.

It is essential that we act to conclude the profile of our playing roster for 2012 as soon as possible.

Clearly this is not something that we have been able to resolve with the Wests Tigers and we will now continue to press our contractual position in relation to Tim Moltzen and his Manager’s intentions for the 2012 season and beyond by formally referring the matter to the NRL.

We believe such circumstances are not in the best interests of the game and our club could be seriously disadvantaged at this late stage with our 2012 pre-season scheduled to start in just a matter of weeks.

http://www.dragons.com.au/default.a...eter-doust-tim-moltzen-signing-facts-&-update
 

Mr Red

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now the tigers have backflipped again and the dragons are taking the case to the NRL.


god..what a joke this has become. is he really worth this effort? hes no billy slater. bad form on the tigers part...but yeh, its become rather unprofessional.

ditch him, and use the money to buy a player that actually wants to wear the red V...
i think the below sums it up... he clearly doesnt want to play with us..

""Our suspicions were raised earlier last week when both Martin Tauber and Tim Moltzen did not return phone calls to Dragons staff and Tim also failed to front for a pre-arranged meeting prior to his departure for an end-of-season overseas trip with other Wests Tigers players"..said Doust

Doust is only making a fool of himself and the club if he continues to pursue a player who doesnt want to play for us... are we really that desperate???
 

grouch

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Doust is only making a fool of himself and the club if he continues to pursue a player who doesnt want to play for us... are we really that desperate???
Would you prefer that he bent over, dropped his pants and let the Tigers do whatever they want? The principle alone is worth fighting for in this.

Let alone the fact that Moltzen has more than likely been co-erced into his position by th Tigers, due to the Lui incident. As stated by Doust, he was more than keen to join us before that occurred, even discussing moving to the Gong, with coach Price. If this saga ends in our favour I'm fairly sure Moltzen will feel at home soon enough within the club
 

Mr Red

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Would you prefer that he bent over, dropped his pants and let the Tigers do whatever they want? The principle alone is worth fighting for in this.

Let alone the fact that Moltzen has more than likely been co-erced into his position by th Tigers, due to the Lui incident. As stated by Doust, he was more than keen to join us before that occurred, even discussing moving to the Gong, with coach Price. If this saga ends in our favour I'm fairly sure Moltzen will feel at home soon enough within the club

Doust has a duty to do what is right for the club, the players and the supporters..
pursuing a player and forcing them to play at a club when their heart isnt in it goes against all those principals.
Moltzen was only "happy" to sign with another club when he was told by the tigers that he wasnt part of their future plans.. dont forget he didnt actively pursue a release - he was happy to stay there.

i couldnt support a player wearing the Red V knowing he was only playing because "legally" he had to..
 

grouch

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Doust has a duty to do what is right for the club, the players and the supporters..
That's exactly what he is doing.
pursuing a player and forcing them to play at a club when their heart isnt in it goes against all those principals.
Nonsense. Moltzen, while being manipulated at present by the Tigers, is a professional. And it is not an outrageous notion to suggest that he will behave like one when he joins.
Moltzen was only "happy" to sign with another club when he was told by the tigers that he wasnt part of their future plans.. dont forget he didnt actively pursue a release - he was happy to stay there.
There are examples of this all the time - Jeremy Smith is one. You don't think he would've stayed with us if we didn't tell him to look elsewhere? Yet he still joined Cronulla and performed like a professional. It is how the business works.
i couldnt support a player wearing the Red V knowing he was only playing because "legally" he had to..
lol. It's not like you need any incentive to bag a player. Mr Negativity
 

saints4ever

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No player that I can name gave his all for a team after his contract was fought over like dogs, and he simply had to go to the 2nd team. Let him go. If we get him after all this I don't think we will get value. Look at boyd, we got great service for 2 and a bit years. When he signed with Newcastle you wouldn't have fed him because he didn't care, Bennett was going,so his heart wasn't in it anymore.
Is like to think you would want to repay a club that signed you for three years when your first club didn't want you, but in the case of moltzen, he seems unwilling to get his hands off the black and gold mummys apron
 
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