Tim Moltzen ... (war is over)

[Father Ted]

LOL Loved this line
was released verbally and not in writing ?
Thr third option Telepathy ?????

 

[Father Ted]

http://www.nrl.com/looking-to-2012-st-george-illawarra-dragons/tabid/10874/newsid/65274/default.aspx

http://www.nrl.com/looking-to-2012-wests-tigers/tabid/10874/newsid/65269/default.aspx

This dated today is Very interesting

 

[muzby]

cuthbo still in squad?

would be good if we could...

damn he turned that broncos semi around..

 

[Father Ted]

cuthbo still in squad?

would be good if we could...

damn he turned that broncos semi around..

The interesting part besides Cuthbo still listed with us is that have Tiny Tim a Saint look at the two articles bearing todays date

 

[Daniel Dragons]

I wouldn't read into it too much. They can only write those articles on assumptions.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Legalese aside when the f... is this thing going to be resolved?

NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert is expected later this week to hand down a recommendation on where he believes Moltzen should play next season.
Schubert has asked both clubs for additional information about their individual deals with Moltzen.
Wests Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys said he would abide by Schubert's decision.



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...arket-hotting-up/story-e6frexnr-1226170092500

 

[Father Ted]

Yep it's the neverending story

 

[Mr Red]

NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert is expected later this week to hand down a recommendation on where he believes Moltzen should play next season.
Schubert has asked both clubs for additional information about their individual deals with Moltzen.
Wests Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys said he would abide by Schubert's decision.



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...arket-hotting-up/story-e6frexnr-1226170092500

WTF has the contents of each individual deal got to do with anything?
legally its as simple as this:
1. moltzen still has a legal contract with the tigers which has not reached expiry.
2. due to point 1, the dragons contract is null and void.

morally we all know the tigers are wrong, and they only want to keep moltzen for two reasons:
1. his late season turn around of form
2. the potential the Robert Lui wont be there next season

legally though he is a tiger in 2012.
case closed.

 

[Bang]

WTF has the contents of each individual deal got to do with anything?
legally its as simple as this:
1. moltzen still has a legal contract with the tigers which has not reached expiry.
2. due to point 1, the dragons contract is null and void.

morally we all know the tigers are wrong, and they only want to keep moltzen for two reasons:
1. his late season turn around of form
2. the potential the Robert Lui wont be there next season

legally though he is a tiger in 2012.
case closed.

Unless he was granted a verbal release from the West Tigers which would free him from his final year of his contract and then allow him to sign the contract with the Dragons.
So not so much case closed.

 

[verfive]

What bang said

 

[TimmyB]

What if Boyd now wants to Change his mind and stay with his friends at Saints? We haven't signed his release so we could still keep him. Imagine how the knights would feel!

Well presumably, Boyd has repudiated the contract and so it's void. Really though, it'd be Boyd who'd be in strife, not the Dragons.

Even if the Dragons go after Moltzen or Tauber I think it's going to be difficult to quantify the harm suffered. Can't imagine there'd be significant damages awarded, especially if the Dragons have been offered Brown and have refused. Harm mitigation and all that.

 

[TheRev]

- Humphreys tried to sell it like it was abnormal not to have the release in writing, which is not the case.

- Common sense would be in favour of the Dragons, the NRL would want this outcome also, because if the Tigers win, then a bunch of contracts might be null & void.

- However it could come down to lawyer talk, perhaps we have been relying on common-sense / gentlemans agreements till now, which obviously excludes Humphreys.

 

[TimmyB]

I applaud Humphreys for playing hard ball. Look where Keith Barnes' integrity got the Tigers; merging with Wests whilst the treachery of clubs like Cronulla sees them remain a standalone club.

 

[grouch]

I agree that your club no longer has integrity

 

[TimmyB]

You're a sook.

 

[TimmyB]

I am shocked that the Dragons are brushing over the fact that the day of the announcement stated that there was no formal agreement to release Moltzen, just discussions with the manager. If Doust didn't contact Humphries to clarify, he's made a pretty big boo boo. Why is it Humphries responsibility to straighten the story out following Doust's blatant disrespect and disregard.

 

[grouch]

A Doust stated in his succinct, professional statement, it is standard practice that the contract is signed before formal realeases are granted. And through discussions with the agent and indications from Humphreys the release was "a formality" as it usually is. Further, as Doust also stated, such formal releases are not required anyway, with the examples of Tagive and Boyd provided. You're going in circles, or you can't read good. Either way it's quite boring.

 

[Mr Red]

Unless he was granted a verbal release from the West Tigers which would free him from his final year of his contract and then allow him to sign the contract with the Dragons.
So not so much case closed.

verbal doesnt hold up legally if the tigers do a backflip like they have .. thats my whole point...

the tigers lack of integrity in not following through with a verbal agreement means that handshake deals are well and truly a thing of the past..

 

[TimmyB]

A Doust stated in his succinct, professional statement, it is standard practice that the contract is signed before formal realeases are granted. And through discussions with the agent and indications from Humphreys the release was "a formality" as it usually is. Further, as Doust also stated, such formal releases are not required anyway, with the examples of Tagive and Boyd provided. You're going in circles, or you can't read good. Either way it's quite boring.

We're not even talking formal release. We are talking about agreement. Humphries clearly said there was no formal agreement. That's not necessarily talking about a signed document. That could mean the a meeting of the minds between Moltzen and the Wests Tigers club. You have no evidence that there ever was said meeting of the minds, other than the fact that Tauber allegedly told Doust that Humphries had unequivocally and unconditionally agreed to release Moltzen. For one your evidence is an assumption and for two, even if Tauber and Moltzen told the Dragons this it doesn't mean it's correct. Nor does it mean that it binds the Tigers who are entitled to say when and how they release Motlzen. For all you know Humphries said to Moltzen, "we want to release you so we can sign Adam Blair, so look around and see what is out there for you". Moltzen tells the Dragons the Tigers are happy to release him, he signs a contract and the Dragons report the signing. Humphries scratches his head - he's never actually formally agreed to release Moltzen or what the terms of the release are.

You have no evidence this didn't occur. You have no evidence of what actually did occur other than Dousts' 'professional' yet partial account of events.

 

[Drain the Dragon]

I applaud Humphreys for playing hard ball. Look where Keith Barnes' integrity got the Tigers; merging with Wests whilst the treachery of clubs like Cronulla sees them remain a standalone club.

Finally an admission from the Tigers that their CEO lacks integrity.
Grounds for sacking him, I say.