Trade Ivan to Penrith for 2019

[Tiger5150]

I don't blame Penrith for chasing Cleary - it would be remiss of them to not explore any possible option for success, they are a business (as are we) after all and headhunting happens all the time in the corporate world.
Pundits make fun of the whole "5-year plan" misnomer but the truth is that Phil Gould and the admin there have done a remarkable job of galvanising their junior pathways and broadening their reach into Central Western NSW. They've consistently played September football in the previous few years and it will be only a matter of time before they lift the Provan-Summons trophy. I'd kill to be able to have the same outlook for the Tigers.
The party who probably comes out of this whole fiasco with his reputation somewhat tarnished is Cleary. He could have pulled the rug out from under this whole circus swiftly and moved on but instead we get a couple of lame and insipid press conferences that just made him look sneaky and weak. I think it's only a matter of time before he's back at Penrith and I legitimately wish him success as he seems to be a genuinely good guy who has just made a few poor choices in dealing with this whole soap opera.
What we as a club need more than anything is stability. While I think Madge is the better coach he doesn't carry the same kind of gravitas that Bennett does, which is why, at this stage, I'd prefer Benny.

Im not convinced of the ability of either Bennett or Madge to coach from a low base as they would at the Tigers. I lean towards Bennett because we have only seen Madge succeed with a team playing a very particular style with a monster pack that suited that style. With Bennett, he has over the years adopted many different styles of play to suit his roster and that would suit the Tigers, not to mention the pull he would have with attracting potential players.

 

[Crazyperpman]

The mark of a good coach is the state he leaves the place in when he moves on. Bennett is there for short term gains and not interested in building anything long term.

Broncos were in the wilderness and are yet to win again since he left the first time, Dragons won a comp and then needed a serious rebuild when he left, Newcastle was a mess and still haven't recovered. Broncos are only in good shape now due to recruiting in place way before he even arrived back there.

I dont want him, he is not the man for the job we have at hand, I would take Maguire , Toovey or Hassler (With closely monitored signings/retention) ahead of Bennett.

We don't know, but surely the club knows if IC is a merkin or not. If he's a merkin I dont want him to be our coach, let him go. The main thing is for the club to make a decision that benefits Wests Tigers and not mitigate a bad situation to save face and try and win some self serving PR victory for the board.

 

[macnaz]

Yeah im still liking Toovey... just something about the bloke.. hard arse player and was a hard arsed coach.

 

[Tiger5150]

The mark of a good coach is the state he leaves the place in when he moves on. Bennett is there for short term gains and not interested in building anything long term.

Some say that the mark of a good coach is semi final appearances, GF appearances and premierships, in which case he is head and shoulders above the rest.

Broncos were in the wilderness and are yet to win again since he left the first time,

and yet were only one win away from the minor premiership.

Dragons won a comp and then needed a serious rebuild when he left,

That is because they appointed Steven Price as coach, and they still were only one win from the eight with the team that Bennett left him

Newcastle was a mess and still haven't recovered.
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newcastle was a mess for the same reason that Bennett left. Nathan Tinkler.

If the Tigers got Bennett, it would be the single most important and most professional move the club has ever made.

 

[Crazyperpman]

If the Tigers got Bennett, it would be the single most important and most professional move the club has ever made.

Obviously a massive fan of Bennett and you have made good points but placed the blame elsewhere when there is an obvious common denominator. Pulling posts apart and cherry picking facts does not prove a point.

The fact remains that he has underachieved since the Dragons won eight years ago, you may see coming sixth as a good result but its not with the cattle he had he should have done better since rejoining Broncos and if you expect him to do more with our lot you may be disappointed.

 

[Tiger05]

Bennett

It’s actually being reported by Brent Read in the Australian as of 10pm. My mail is it’s done

Didn't this guy state a while back that Nathan Cleary was definitely singing with the Tigers.

 

[Tiger5150]

Obviously a massive fan of Bennett and you have made good points but placed the blame elsewhere when there is an obvious common denominator. Pulling posts apart and cherry picking facts does not prove a point.

Not a massive fan of Bennett (see my other posts a little higher up in the thread) and Im not trying to pull your post apart or prove any point. I am merely trying to point out that there would be plenty of upside to the Tigers getting Bennett. In most of the shortcomings that you and others (usually correctly) point out about Bennett, the result is still superior to the Tigers performance over the last 8 years.

You are marking him against winning the comp since 2011 but that is not where the Tigers are in their evolution. That would be the marker if we were Penrith and had been consistently there or thereabouts for 5 year and need a proven coach to win the whole thing. Tigers are MILES away from that point. We need a coach to get us in the 8 consistently and start to attract talent to the club. Establish a successful culture at the club just as Bennett has whereever he has been.

 

[Tiger05]

Obviously a massive fan of Bennett and you have made good points but placed the blame elsewhere when there is an obvious common denominator. Pulling posts apart and cherry picking facts does not prove a point.

The fact remains that he has underachieved since the Dragons won eight years ago, you may see coming sixth as a good result but its not with the cattle he had he should have done better since rejoining Broncos and if you expect him to do more with our lot you may be disappointed.

The problem with Bennett is that he always seems to get the cattle to perform but he hasn't been as successful as Bellamy for instance.

I'd be cool with Bennett, Toovey or Madge. I'd like to see us recruit a player or two though.

 

[Crazyperpman]

Not a massive fan of Bennett (see my other posts a little higher up in the thread) and Im not trying to pull your post apart or prove any point. I am merely trying to point out that there would be plenty of upside to the Tigers getting Bennett. In most of the shortcomings that you and others (usually correctly) point out about Bennett, the result is still superior to the Tigers performance over the last 8 years.

You are marking him against winning the comp since 2011 but that is not where the Tigers are in their evolution. That would be the marker if we were Penrith and had been consistently there or thereabouts for 5 year and need a proven coach to win the whole thing. Tigers are MILES away from that point. We need a coach to get us in the 8 consistently and start to attract talent to the club. Establish a successful culture at the club just as Bennett has whereever he has been.

You may be right, but my concern is his best years are behind him and I only see him coaching for another year or two with limited success if he joined WT. If he brought some young players with him that filled some gaps in our line up and they stayed after he departed and then there was a seamless handover to a successor it may work but these may not be part of the package.

If there is something I would love to be wrong about its this one, but I see more downside than upside with Bennett.

 

[Tiger05]

You may be right, but my concern is his best years are behind him and I only see him coaching for another year or two with limited success if he joined WT. If he brought some young players with him that filled some gaps in our line up and they stayed after he departed and then there was a seamless handover to a successor it may work but these may not be part of the package.

If there is something I would love to be wrong about its this one, but I see more downside than upside with Bennett.

Bennett with some players could work. I think all coaches now need to be managed. You can't trust them to do the right thing and you need some oversight especially when it comes to recruitment and retention.

 

[Vic Mackey]

I get that people say he leaves places in a bit of a mess but let's be serious, we're generally a fcking mess anyway. If we get Wayne for 3 years and he brings us success I'll take 5-6 years of shit after he leaves any day of the week! Cause otherwise we know it will just be 8-9 years of shit anyway.

 

[Tiger Ted]

I get that people say he leaves places in a bit of a mess but let's be serious, we're generally a fcking mess anyway. If we get Wayne for 3 years and he brings us success I'll take 5-6 years of shit after he leaves any day of the week! Cause otherwise we know it will just be 8-9 years of shit anyway.

Totally agree.Major plus with sergeant Bennett at the helm is he will ensure we immediately have a roster which will b finals bound.

 

[Ron's_Mate]

From the list of available coaches the one I wouldn't want is Hasler, even if he had no control over signings. He always establishes a siege mentality at the clubs he coaches, an 'everyone is against us' mindset. I think Maguire would be as likely to attract good players as Bennett would be. On the other hand if Bennett was guaranteed to bring someone like TPJ with him I would be OK with it.

 

[gordsy]

Either coach will be an upgrade on what we have now. In my opinion if we can grab bennett then we should. I think we have a better chance of signing gun players without paying through the nose with Wayne as coach. I also think Wayne would pull our Idiot board into line quicker as well then Tooves would. Plus Wayne's profile means we have a better chance of getting sponsors and decision that suit us at an Nrl level.

 

[super_coach]

Most coaches have there good points and bad points, but basically they all play the same game plan. So we need a coach that will attract some instant class to the club and Happy Wayne has more chance of doing that the most other possible candidates.

What ever they do....do it now

 

[General Stripes]

He is not the future, but he may be the platform for it.
Aren't all coaches there for a paycheck?

They are but some more than most.

 

[super_coach]

At least things seem to be happening behind the scenes. With a little luck this is done and dusted real soon one way or another.

IMO, Cleary will be here in 2019, but out the door in 2020. I also think this deal was probably all done weeks ago but is been kept quite

 

[Tiger Woody]

At least things seem to be happening behind the scenes. With a little luck this is done and dusted real soon one way or another.

IMO, Cleary will be here in 2019, but out the door in 2020. I also think this deal was probably all done weeks ago but is been kept quite

yes agree....Cleary stays all of 2019. with us.
Bennett stays all of 2019 with Broncos.
So when thats all official we get on with business.....A smooth transition.
And the media have nothing to get us involved in.

 

[Das Hassler]

yes agree....Cleary stays all of 2019. with us.
Bennett stays all of 2019 with Broncos.
So when thats all official we get on with business.....A smooth transition.
And the media have nothing to get us involved in.

Better that way....gives him a year to make the moves he needs to make to bring who he wants

 

[super_coach]

The drums are getting louder... Cameron C will be coaching 16 chocolate soldiers in 2019, and Ivan will be coaching Nathan. Gives you a fuzzy feeling....two jaws reunited