True Detective

[chrisD]

What super natural elements?

How were the family connections meaningless?

Mythological elements to better describe it, the belief in the yellow king, the ritualistic rapes and murders, the crowns, the swirl pattern, masks, the scripture type language, those teepee thingies etc.

How were they meaningful? They lead to no breakthrough in the case, the whole connecting of those spoon fed dots achieved nothing, the break came from Marty putting green and green together from evidence that was always there in the first instance.

 

[elyod138]

Mythological elements to better describe it, the belief in the yellow king, the ritualistic rapes and murders, the crowns, the swirl pattern, masks, the scripture type language, those teepee thingies etc.

How were they meaningful? They lead to no breakthrough in the case, the whole connecting of those spoon fed dots achieved nothing, the break came from Marty putting green and green together from evidence that was always there in the first instance.

It seems you were expecting some sort of Scooby Doo ending where they explain every little tidbit and it's all neatly wrapped up.

Real life isn't like that.

I don't understand why you think the breakthrough in the case had to involve one of the mythological elements. Those elements DID enable them to connect cases throughout the whole series and establish that the crimes were related. Would you have preferred they created a boring serial killer without the mythology? It provided a great backdrop for the show.

Errol was obviously a part of the cult with the ritualistic murders. All of that stuff is still relevant. The family links are all still pertinent and they are really where the break through in the case came from. The green paint thing could have been substituted for anything else, the only reason they got to that point in the first place was due to them investigating Tuttle/Childress family tree. Just because they didn't do a ham fisted job of spelling it all out at the end doesn't mean it was irrelevant.

Russ and Hart aren't cops anymore, they aren't going to solve the whole case and lock up every one of the people in the VHS with Marie Fontenot in the final 55 minute episode. They solved the case they were given (Dora Lange's murder). The police investigations would have continued after the show ended.

 

[chrisD]

It seems you were expecting some sort of Scooby Doo ending where they explain every little tidbit and it's all neatly wrapped up.

Real life isn't like that.

I don't understand why you think the breakthrough in the case had to involve one of the mythological elements. Those elements DID enable them to connect cases throughout the whole series and establish that the crimes were related. Would you have preferred they created a boring serial killer without the mythology? It provided a great backdrop for the show.

Errol was obviously a part of the cult with the ritualistic murders. All of that stuff is still relevant. The family links are all still pertinent and they are really where the break through in the case came from. The green paint thing could have been substituted for anything else, the only reason they got to that point in the first place was due to them investigating Tuttle/Childress family tree. Just because they didn't do a ham fisted job of spelling it all out and the end doesn't mean it was irrelevant.

Russ and Hart aren't cops anymore, they aren't going to solve the whole case and lock up every one of the people in the VHS with Marie Fontenot in the final 55 minute episode. They solved the case they were given (Dora Lange's murder). The police investigations would have continued after the show ended.

No I was expecting an ending which gave relevance for decent portions of eight hours of content which otherwise held no meaning but for their own cheap thrills and as a characterisation device. I thought otherwise meaningless cult intricacies which were detailed on multiple occasions through Russ's series long cult investigation would have been done so with a narrative purpose and followed through upon in the finale. Having it all lead to Errol's capture instead of the terrible green to green epiphany would certainly have been an improvement.

How exactly did the investigating of Tuttle/Childress family tree lead them to that "point", and what even is that "point"? Deciding to have a look back through old evidence on the wall?

The case didn't have to be wrapped up neatly with all the bad guys being caught, I'm not sure why you attribute that argument to me, such is not required for answers to be provided that gave meaning to the cult's extensive inclusion. It would however not make sense that decades consumed Russ would walk away from things as they stand now, but the show didn't actually elaborate on what happens next so that's fine.

Real life isn't like a lot of things, including anything like this show.

 

[Mr Angry]

I really enjoyed it.

I get the title now also.

It shows how dedicated police can be, how one case can destroy them, yet they never give up.

 

[HowHigh]

They didn't answer anything though, so why bother alluding to it all? Making it central to the case and devoting so much screen time to it? The supernatural elements, the historic family connections? What do for? So much was so meaningless.

I assume they left some things open for future season/s

 

[chrisD]

I assume they left some things open for future season/s

Next series is new story/actors.

 

[HowHigh]

Ahh I thought it was same story but different actors and perspective.
Guess I agree with some of what you said then but I still enjoyed the season.

 

[Ghoulies]

No I was expecting an ending which gave relevance for decent portions of eight hours of content which otherwise held no meaning but for their own cheap thrills and as a characterisation device. I thought otherwise meaningless cult intricacies which were detailed on multiple occasions through Russ's series long cult investigation would have been done so with a narrative purpose and followed through upon in the finale. Having it all lead to Errol's capture instead of the terrible green to green epiphany would certainly have been an improvement.

You don't see the value in characterisation for characterisation's sake?

All along this show seemed to me as first and foremost a character study of Rust and Marty, with the cultist elements thrown in for a bit of colour.

 

[Mr Angry]

Ahh I thought it was same story but different actors and perspective.
Guess I agree with some of what you said then but I still enjoyed the season.

I get the impression each season will be a different (farged up) case and show the effects it has on the investigating officers of said case, and what rules they will break to get justice.

 

[Storm13]

'True Detective' Season 2 will be about 'hard women' and will 'keep being strange'

If this is true what female actors would everyone like to see in season 2?

 

[Misanthrope]

No issue with the finale at all. If anything, it was refreshing not to get a corny and/or action heavy finale that resolved everything nicely.

I loved the characterisation in this show and the cinematography was superb. It felt like an extended, gritty, tense movie and if Elmer Childers doesn't go down as one of the creepiest serial killers in history, he's been done a great disservice. Complete scene stealer.

Looking forward to seeing what the next season does.

 

[chrisD]

You don't see the value in characterisation for characterisation's sake?

All along this show seemed to me as first and foremost a character study of Rust and Marty, with the cultist elements thrown in for a bit of colour.

I think they went too deep and promised depth that wasn't there when they represented the cultist stuff as classic mystery, the way the bits and pieces were spoon fed, lingered on and revisited as though they were significant.

 

[WYD]

Mythological elements to better describe it, the belief in the yellow king, the ritualistic rapes and murders, the crowns, the swirl pattern, masks, the scripture type language, those teepee thingies etc.

How were they meaningful? They lead to no breakthrough in the case, the whole connecting of those spoon fed dots achieved nothing, the break came from Marty putting green and green together from evidence that was always there in the first instance.

They weren't meaningful, they were only used to create a gritty feel and the illusion of depth. This is a total hack project that was all bluff.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Ahhh "depth".

So artsy.

You don't think the characters had depth?

This was a great, gritty murder mystery centred around two of the best characters ever committed to tv.

It's amusing that people were reading into it more than they should ... mythical elements? At no point were they evident.

This notion that "if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck" then lets make it actually turn out to be a siberian tiger because its got depth and a clever twist that way!

I don't see why that's always necessary. Nothing wrong with a great character driven crime drama, absent of an overblown fancy twist.

 

[some11]

Umm.. all the 'mythical' stuff came from these backwards people believing in voodoo and as for Rust's visions they were from drug abuse.

It's all laid out pretty obviously.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Yeah I understand that, but did anyone actually believe that there was something mythical and mysterious at play in the murders?

Like some sort of Witch King was responsible for the murders lol

 

[WYD]

If you don't give an aesthetic appraisal of the subject how can you determine it's merit with any consistency?

Look, if you're going to have your protagonist asserting all kinds of philosophical shit don't simply give me metteurs en scene, it's offensive as a viewer. If you're going to revert to the position that "sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar" drop the pretentiousness from the outset. It is a total failure as a mystery, the symbolism is irrelevant, the images are meaningless. No reason to use your brain whilst watching this series because all you're in for is a giant slap in the face.

I agree with you regarding the characters, great performances from McConaughey and Harrelson as well, but the story surrounding them was Mickey Mouse. If you think I was merely wishing to see an overblown fancy twist you don't understand my criticism.

 

[Someone]

It makes more sense to me that not everything is answered, i.e the swirls, antlers etc, at the end of the day all that were associated with them were killed before they could be interrogation. Or all that Rust and Marty can associate them with.

To a degree i was disappointed as well that not all was reveal, but if you expected any different i don't think you were paying close enough attention. The dialogue says it all.

'We live in a world where nothing is solved'

 

[Someone]

'True Detective' Season 2 will be about 'hard women' and will 'keep being strange'

If this is true what female actors would everyone like to see in season 2?

well not a female but Brad Pitt is one rumour. im doubtful he will commit though.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Love this show. Was a good departure from the normal crime shows we see.