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TWO new Brisbane teams

Discussion in 'NRL Expansion' started by Quidgybo, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. The Great Dane

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    Zero tackle has an article built from the same quotes but I can't link it for some reason.

    QRL chairman Bruce Hatcher basically says he supports relocating a Sydney club to Queensland over expansion because it'd be cheaper than trying to build new NRL teams.
     
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    NRL to relocate Cronulla or Manly rather than risk financial peril by starting a second Brisbane team

    September 6, 2020 Footy Men

    Queensland powerbrokers have urged ARLC boss Peter V’landys to reconsider expansion plans, with the QRL calling for a Sydney team to move to the sunshine state instead of creating a new franchise.

    Queensland powerbrokers have urged the NRL to relocate Cronulla or Manly rather than risk financial peril by starting a second Brisbane team.

    QRL chairman Bruce Hatcher has revealed his preferred expansion road map after ARL commission boss Peter V’landys told News Corp his intention is to push through with plans for a second Brisbane team despite the COVID crisis.

    Under the V’landys model, the new team would be a fresh franchise or one backed by a Queensland club like Redlciffe or Easts to make a 17-team competition in 2022 or 2023.

    The cost of a 17th team – which would not provide an extra game – would be around $13 million.

    Hatcher believes if rugby league wants an extra side in Brisbane it should make the more cost-friendly choice of relocating a cash-strapped Sydney team, a move V’landys has never been in favour of.

    “I am yet to be convinced a brand new team would create enough revenue to support it,’’ Hatcher told News Corp.

    “I thought given the financials of the game at the moment the fourth Queensland team might be off the table and it worries me that money put into it could deprive the QRL of important funding in our areas of responsibility.

    “I am an advocate of moving at least one of the Sydney teams. Financially the obvious ones are Cronulla and Manly and finances are the first thing you look at.

    “You start anything from scratch and there is a hell of a lot of expense in trying to get it up. You are a mile in front if you already have a team.

    “That gives you a bigger opportunity because it straddles two decent markets and you are using the available talent to maintain a strong competition.

    “I would need to be fully convinced that a new team is going to be financially viable for the game.

    “All the NRL clubs got a 30% increase in funding and 12 of them have managed to lose 36 million so if you can tell me that is a sensible direction I can’t see it.’’

    The second Brisbane team has been in the pipeline for more than a decade with the Brisbane Bombers and Ipswich franchises showing admirable patience and commitment to stay the journey.

    Redcliffe have also shown interest while the Easts Tigers bid is gaining momentum.

    One worry about the inclusion of an extra Queensland team is that it could prove a talent drain on Queensland’s already stretched talent pool which in which the Broncos, Cowboys and Titans have all been struggling near the bottom of the ladder.

    ‘I WANT A SECOND TEAM IN BRISBANE’: EXPANSION PLANS STILL ALIVE
    ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys says the COVID crisis will not derail his expansion plans as the NRL looks to combat the AFL’s threat to dominate Queensland by launching a second team in Brisbane.

    V’landys is pushing on with plans to introduce a 17th team with the ARL Commission to begin due diligence in December on the viability of a fourth Queensland club to join the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys.

    There is a view expansion is dead — yet again — given the COVID pandemic that has cost the NRL millions and convinced Sydney-based teams the code cannot afford another $13m in funding for a second Brisbane side.

    That stance comes at a time when the AFL is planning to hijack the NRL in Queensland, with the historic AFL grand-final at the Gabba on October 24 to be used as a vehicle to steal an army of league fans.

    V’landys couldn’t care less about the AFL’s ambitions, but he remains committed to the birth of a second Brisbane team for either 2022 or 2023, pending the outcome of a feasibility study.

    “I want a second team (in Brisbane) and I will give it my full attention at the end of the year,” he said.

    “We are not dithering on expansion, but we are doing things in a responsible, process-driven way.

    “We have to concentrate on getting the competition finished this year but I am committed to having a second team in Brisbane.

    “I still have the appetite for expansion and I believe there is a need for another team in Brisbane.

    “We have plenty of time to achieve this and to formulate business plans. There are bid teams out there working hard on their submissions so no time is being lost through this COVID period.”

    Another perceived impediment to NRL expansion is the woeful performance of Queensland‘s three teams this season, but V’landys believes a second Brisbane club can elevate the Broncos.

    “I will not expand the game if another team will cannibalise the existing Queensland sides, but I am confident that will not happen,” he said.

    “We have our Queensland partners up there so the last thing we want to do is hurt the Broncos and the Titans.

    “The business case has to stack up.

    “To be fair, all three clubs have worked with us on the matter, so they aren’t opposing expansion, that’s the beauty of this, it shows you how professional the Broncos, Titans and Cowboys are.”

    In the past, the powerful Sydney bloc of clubs have resisted expansion, but V’landys says factual data – not politics – will determine whether the game grows.

    “I understand the concerns of the Sydney clubs,” he said.

    “It’s natural for people to have gut feelings and concerns, but you need a factual analysis. We will base expansion on facts and figures and genuine analysis, not people’s feelings or grievances.

    “If the proper data is there to expand, we will.

    “The people against expansion haven’t got any data, they haven’t got any evidence, it’s just off-the-hip comment.

    “I haven’t seen one iota of evidence so far to back up their case that the game isn’t ready for expansion.

    “In business, competition brings excellence. The Broncos are not concerned about expansion. I believe a second Brisbane team would elevate everyone in the game, not just the Broncos.”

    Titans culture boss Mal Meninga said the NRL should not be worried about an attack from the AFL enemy.

    “AFL can only concentrate on AFL and we can only control what we can control. We’re doing a terrific job from a rugby league point of view,” he said.

    “We can only keep doing what we’re doing. We’ve got to be mindful of it (the AFL‘s incursion into Queensland) but we’re not overly concerned.”

    https://www.thefootycorner.com/2020...ial-peril-by-starting-a-second-brisbane-team/
     
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    Sunshine Coast Sharks?
    Logan Sharks?
    Brisbane Sharks?

    There are thousands of bull sharks in the Brisbane and Logan Rivers.
     
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    Queenslanders wouldn't adopt a rejected cockroach, surely?
     
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    And conversely a cockroach would not accept a converted cocktoad.
    Hatcher can keep dreaming.
     
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    To be honest... *if* I was an NRL fan in Brisbane, if it comes down to a relocated club as Brisbane 2 or NO Brisbane 2, I'd wear a relocated team.

    No, it's not *ideal*, but if that's the only way Brisbane can get a guaranteed game at Suncorp every single weekend, so be it.

    If ANY Sydney team was to relocate over here to Wellington, they'd be my team (as they represent my region), and I'd be a member and go to all home games in a heartbeat. The Warriors would then become my 2nd fave team.
     
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    Tigers are the only Sydney club that could work in Brisbane, as there's the Easts Tigers and Souths Magpies. Easts could take up the licence and call themselves the East Coast Tigers, which is a name they used 20 years ago.

    The 17th licence could then be the South Brisbane Magpies or Logan Magpies. That way Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers fans can see their club live on, and Easts and Souths fans can see their BRL club back in the top flight.

    It probably wouldn't work, but could.
     
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    There are other similarities between traditional Brisbane clubs & Sydney clubs too.

    Ipswich Jets with the same nickname as Newtown (maybe a west Brisbane team in green, blue & white?)

    Wests Brisbane used to have red & black stripes aka North Sydney's traditional jersey.. what about adding west Brisbane team in red & black?

    Name wouldn't be Panthers as per the old BRL team.. and maybe not Bears either.. but the red & black colours are classic & would go down pretty well IMO. I honestly think red & black should be the bid colours for the Western Corridor bid, as it moves it away from any perceived Ipswich bias.
     
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    I'd love to see a Brisbane Devils or Western Brisbane Devils team, red and black, merger between Norths Devils and Wests Panthers.
     
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    YES! I could go for Brisbane having Brisbane Devils (red and black).. and North Brisbane dolphins, with something like this in red, white & grey.

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    East-West Tigers confirmed ;)
     
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    Sorry but, theres not enough black and white in the colors for the "Wests" side of the merger, sorry but if you cannot be either, then it won't go on the black or white only jersey
     
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    I don't know if it's been mentioned previously, but Eastern Suburbs have rebranded themselves as the Brisbane Tigers, with a new logo.

    EASTERN SUBURBS TO PLAY AS THE BRISBANE TIGERS FROM 2021
    4 September 2020

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    byKellie Bogan
    in Easts Tigers, Easts Tigers, Intrust Super Cup, News

    Eastern Suburbs will be formally rebranded and compete as the Brisbane Tigers in all Queensland Rugby League’s Major Competitions from 2021 onwards.

    The decision to rename was decided upon at the Clubs 2019 Annual General Meeting, where it was resolved that the name change would be made permanent for the 2021 season and beyond. The decision is consistent with the Club’s 2017-2019 Strategic Plan.

    The Club will play as the Brisbane Tigers in the Intrust Super Cup, Hastings Deering Colts and the BHP Premiership competitions however will remain as the Eastern Suburbs Tigers for all local league competitions.

    The revitalisation of the Tigers brand brings with it a modern, sophisticated new logo. The logo will be used consistently across both the Brisbane Tigers and the Eastern Suburbs Tigers teams.

    Whilst the Club will have a new logo, we will continue to play in our traditional colours of black and gold.

    Brisbane Tiger’s CEO Brian Torpy said “the rebranding of the Club’s state-wide competition teams to Brisbane Tigers provides greater relevance in the Intrust Super Cup competition.

    The Eastern Suburbs name is totally suitable to playing within the greater Brisbane area, however with regards to state-wide competitions, playing as the Brisbane Tigers provides no doubt we are a Brisbane club, Torpy added.
    Club merchandise is available for purchase online with playing jerseys to be revealed and available for purchased later in the year.

    WE ARE EASTS – WE ARE BRISBANE – WE ARE TIGERS

    https://thetigers.com.au/articles/kbogan/easts-tigers-become-brisbane-tigers/
     
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    The Brisbane Tigers Strategic Plan July 2020 is a good read.

    https://thetigers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Strategic-Plan-Sep-2020.pdf

    To compliment the Rochedale Tigers and Springwood Tigers JRLFC affiliate clubs in the northern suburbs of Logan, the Brisbane Tigers mentions "Flagstone Tigers" and "Yarrabilba Tigers" in its report. Both suburbs are located in the outer southern outskirts of Logan. The "Our Logan" magazine Yarrabilba's population is estimated to reach around 50,000 within the next 30 years, and Flagstone will reach 120,000. Both Yarrabilba and Flagstone are new estates and growing rapidly. It looks like the "Brisbane Tigers" have identified Logan, or at least the eastern suburbs of Logan, as part of their territory and are looking to draw support from the area.

    Souths Magpies have set up arrangements with the western suburbs of Logan, but they should have done more to tap into the whole city. The current population is 320,000, and with nearly 150,000 residents set to move into Yarrabilba and Flagstone, the City of Logan will probably have around 500,000 or 600,000 people by 2050.

    https://www.dsdmip.qld.gov.au/economic-development-qld/priority-development-areas/yarrabilba.html
    https://www.dsdmip.qld.gov.au/econo...rity-development-areas/greater-flagstone.html

    The Tigers are currently upgrading Langlangs Park to have a capacity of 4,000.

    Brisbane Tigers and Moreton Bay Dolphins should be the next 2 teams.
     
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    Very modern logo and ties in with the firehawks bid logo
    They can't play in the NRL as the Brisbane Tigers though unless they convince wests to change to magpies (which is unlikely - unless they throw A LOT of money at them, and even then still unlikely)
     
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    You nailed it. A failed NSW team dumped into Queensland would be a disaster.
     
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    Even then there'd probably be trademark issues unless West gave them permission to use the Tigers brand.
     

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