WA BEARS

[Colk]

A few red flags from the post earlier outlining NS demands. Not sure NZ would support 4 home games in Sydney.
What other bids/consortiums does WA have?

No bid should accept those demands. I think they have two other consortiums

 

[Wb1234]

No bid should accept those demands. I think they have two other consortiums

Yeh but that’s not what’s been mentioned

if the reports are correct the bears are getting the license and will go wherever the nrl tells them

four games is too much but the way it’s looking is the bears will own this 100 percent

 

[Colk]

Yeh but that’s not what’s been mentioned

if the reports are correct the bears are getting the license and will go wherever the nrl tells them

four games is too much but the way it’s looking is the bears will own this 100 percent

If that’s true than that is just dumb (if the Bears have the attitude that they do). Playing home games in Sydney (especially four of them) is wasting an opportunity to expand the game. You and I know what will happen as a result.

 

[Wb1234]

If that’s true than that is just dumb (if the Bears have the attitude that they do). Playing home games in Sydney (especially four of them) is wasting an opportunity to expand the game. You and I know what will happen as a result.

2 games at nso and bears owning it is a great outcome

people saying they should get zero home games at nso are just projecting their own wishes onto the team

I don’t even think the bears could be financially viable playing all their games in Sydney anyway I don’t see it happening

it’s a myth concocted on this forum and people have run with it

plus there will be conditions anyway about the team having to Play 10 home games in Perth or mz2 bc that’s how it will be sold to tv networks

 

[Perth Red]

Why would he be bitter? He is a Manly fan.

He just doesn’t want a true expansion spot (NZ, Perth or wherever else) being possibly screwed up because a team wants to remain a Sydney side in spirit. If they truly relocated then we could see the benefits and be supportive of it

TBh its not even a relocation thats needed, the Bears will still be in NS as they are now.
Whats needed is a new company called the West Coast Bears forming that has new ownership and clear and direct linkages back to the NS Bears. NS Bears will stay be in NSW comps under the control of their football club. the WC Bears will be based in Perth, be owned by Perth and NS Bears will have a stake in them. The WC Bears could have the WC Pirates playing in QRL cup for direct WA pathway development
Only way this works.

 

[Perth Red]

A few red flags from the post earlier outlining NS demands. Not sure NZ would support 4 home games in Sydney.
What other bids/consortiums does WA have?

Last count there were 3 interested bidders leading possible consortiums. Tony Sage (Glory owner), Peter Cumins (WC Pirates backer) and Laurie Puddy (ex Reds chairman who wants Reds brand back). We know from the news story in June there is at least one serious consortium formed and ready to put a bid on the table.

 

[MugaB]

Prepare to be disappointed? Like the Bears when they were so sure they’d sewn up the deal to enter as the Central Coast Bears they started selling foundation memberships?

 

[MugaB]

Why would he be bitter? He is a Manly fan.

He just doesn’t want a true expansion spot (NZ, Perth or wherever else) being possibly screwed up because a team wants to remain a Sydney side in spirit. If they truly relocated then we could see the benefits and be supportive of it

Dude is sore coz manly cant pick the eyes out of the ns area, not that they ever tried to spread wings (pun intended) and sourced juniors from CC like they could...
Manly should be 100% behind this bid, coz if it goes well, eventually perth starts blossoming their own pathways, and the bears will stay focused there... forever... leaving the north shore up for grabs, but alas manly be dumb
Bedumb... bedum..bedum!!
Its not to different to whats happened to southern sydney, cronulla have taken over the bay area, the more dragons have concentrated in Illawarra region

 

[Wb1234]

Dude is sore coz manly cant pick the eyes out of the ns area, not that they ever tried to spread wings (pun intended) and sourced juniors from CC like they could...
Manly should be 100% behind this bid, coz if it goes well, eventually perth starts blossoming their own pathways, and the bears will stay focused there... forever... leaving the north shore up for grabs, but alas manly be dumb
Bedumb... bedum..bedum!!
Its not to different to whats happened to southern sydney, cronulla have taken over the bay area, the more dragons have concentrated in Illawarra region

This one hundred percent spot on

anyway Moanly fans should be happy with super coach seibold taking over the reigns

 

[flippikat]

Easy solution for Perth would be to re-brand their Pirates bid in red & black colors.

No hibernating animals required then!

 

[reanimate]

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Salty? That would be the people still bitter at Manly for the events of 20+ years ago.

Dude is sore coz manly cant pick the eyes out of the ns area, not that they ever tried to spread wings (pun intended) and sourced juniors from CC like they could...
Manly should be 100% behind this bid, coz if it goes well, eventually perth starts blossoming their own pathways, and the bears will stay focused there... forever... leaving the north shore up for grabs, but alas manly be dumb
Bedumb... bedum..bedum!!
Its not to different to whats happened to southern sydney, cronulla have taken over the bay area, the more dragons have concentrated in Illawarra region

Cronulla haven’t officially taken over anything, the St George comp has just withered on the vine to the point where their teams sometimes need to play in Cronulla’s comp to survive, just like Norths’ junior teams have played in Manly’s comps on and off since they were booted. That’s not a positive, it’s just another example of a suboptimal arrangement in RL. Look at it from an outsider’s perspective- does it make sense to have St George cover the St George area, have a big gap in the shire, then cover the Illawarra? No, it doesn’t. Does it make sense for a dead NRL team to cover the North Shore? No, it doesn’t.

I don’t know why you think the Bears will happily give up the North Shore after a move to WA. If the NRL give them their list of demands, it will legitimise them hanging on to it (and hang on for dear life, they will), leaving the north of Sydney trapped in a suboptimal arrangement. You’ll have the Bears feeding into WA, with a weak presence on the North Shore, and Manly on the Northern Beaches. That’s not having the area live up to its potential.

 

[MugaB]

Salty? That would be the people still bitter at Manly for the events of 20+ years ago.

Cronulla haven’t officially taken over anything, the St George comp has just withered on the vine to the point where their teams sometimes need to play in Cronulla’s comp to survive, just like Norths’ junior teams have played in Manly’s comps on and off since they were booted. That’s not a positive, it’s just another example of a suboptimal arrangement in RL. Look at it from an outsider’s perspective- does it make sense to have St George cover the St George area, have a big gap in the shire, then cover the Illawarra? No, it doesn’t. Does it make sense for a dead NRL team to cover the North Shore? No, it doesn’t.

I don’t know why you think the Bears will happily give up the North Shore after a move to WA. If the NRL give them their list of demands, it will legitimise them hanging on to it (and hang on for dear life, they will), leaving the north of Sydney trapped in a suboptimal arrangement. You’ll have the Bears feeding into WA, with a weak presence on the North Shore, and Manly on the Northern Beaches. That’s not having the area live up to its potential.

Cronulla have the 2nd biggest junior base in Sydney, you think that happened overnight?
Keep on slaming reallity dude.. Stgeorges bay area has been swallowed up right under their noses... they didn't even have norths being in the nsw cup as an equivalent like manly has..
Yes you are very salty.. i get everyone has an opinion on whether the WA bears would work, but you carry on as if they don't deserve to exist, let alone vye for the next licence...
There's plenty on this very site, who suggest manly shouldn't either, being stuck in the small corner of the peninsula of north eastern sydney, I'm not like that.. i value all the brands that came before... including the bears

 

[Perth Red]

A concerning thing to consider given NS Bears demands are that the club would end up playing 16 games on the East coast and only 8 on the west Coast. How long before Bears relocated the team to the East coast to save travel and costs and just flew into Perth for the 8 'home' games?

 

[MugaB]

A concerning thing to consider given NS Bears demands are that the club would end up playing 16 games on the East coast and only 8 on the west Coast. How long before Bears relocated the team to the East coast to save travel and costs and just flew into Perth for the 8 'home' games?

You'd think this would happen for the 1st few seasons, but officially settle in perth, with a proper COE and club set up near the stadium..
But thats only me guessing, couldn't do straightaway

 

[Perth Red]

You'd think this would happen for the 1st few seasons, but officially settle in perth, with a proper COE and club set up near the stadium..
But thats only me guessing, couldn't do straightaway

That will definately perpetuate the perception that they are FIFO Sydney club and not a Perth club. Great way to not get WA behind them lol

WA Govt is hot now. NRL should be negotiating with them to get a CofE started next year with a club entry guaranteed in whenever. Could be built and ready to move into by the time the new club plays its first season. Most of the sports HQ's are in bold park which is a nice area and near the beach for training Not sure if there's any Govt land left around there but that would be the spot for it. Curtin Uni would also be a possible site but players would probably prefer living in the northern beach suburbs. The WA govt has just spent $23.5mill building soccer a centre of excellence. Strike whilst the irons hot NRL!

This is what they built for Union a few years ago at Bold PArk

WA Rugby Centre | Rugby Sports and Training Ground Perth

Located in Mount Claremont, this High Performance Rugby Centre features training facilities and offices for RugbyWA, Western Force, & SportWest.

www.venueswest.wa.gov.au

 

[Perth Red]

Looking at the Bold Park area looks like there is a nice parcel of land left for NRLWA and the West Coast Pirates to move on to!

 

[reanimate]

Cronulla have the 2nd biggest junior base in Sydney, you think that happened overnight?
Keep on slaming reallity dude.. Stgeorges bay area has been swallowed up right under their noses... they didn't even have norths being in the nsw cup as an equivalent like manly has..

They haven’t swallowed up anything. St George teams that can’t put a comp together are playing in the Cronulla comp, that’s it. Cronulla’s numbers are impressive, but they haven’t taken over St George’s area officially, all those old structures are still in place. As I was saying, it’s an indictment on the suboptimal arrangements in place. It would be good if all those teams in the St George and Cronulla regions all played in the one comp across all ages and fed into one team. Instead we’ve got St George split across the old St George region and the Illawarra region and Cronulla in the middle.

Yes you are very salty.. i get everyone has an opinion on whether the WA bears would work, but you carry on as if they don't deserve to exist, let alone vye for the next licence...
There's plenty on this very site, who suggest manly shouldn't either, being stuck in the small corner of the peninsula of north eastern sydney, I'm not like that.. i value all the brands that came before... including the bears

I’ve set out the reasons why I don’t think they should get a licence, unless it’s a complete, wholesale relocation. Their language all along makes it clear how important they view retaining the North Shore, it’s as if their new region is an afterthought- it’s all about how many games they can get in Sydney, their ownership, their brand etc.

Allowing them to retain the North Shore and get their demands doesn’t help many, other than themselves and those who want to indulge in the nostalgia of a Bears return. Indulging that nostalgia isn’t worth compromising the potential success of a stand-alone WA team, nor is it worth trapping northern Sydney in suboptimal territorial arrangements. We have enough of them in RL, we don’t need more.

 

[MugaB]

They haven’t swallowed up anything. St George teams that can’t put a comp together are playing in the Cronulla comp, that’s it. Cronulla’s numbers are impressive, but they haven’t taken over St George’s area officially, all those old structures are still in place. As I was saying, it’s an indictment on the suboptimal arrangements in place. It would be good if all those teams in the St George and Cronulla regions all played in the one comp across all ages and fed into one team. Instead we’ve got St George split across the old St George region and the Illawarra region and Cronulla in the middle.

I’ve set out the reasons why I don’t think they should get a licence, unless it’s a complete, wholesale relocation. Their language all along makes it clear how important they view retaining the North Shore, it’s as if their new region is an afterthought- it’s all about how many games they can get in Sydney, their ownership, their brand etc.

Allowing them to retain the North Shore and get their demands doesn’t help many, other than themselves and those who want to indulge in the nostalgia of a Bears return. Indulging that nostalgia isn’t worth compromising the potential success of a stand-alone WA team, nor is it worth trapping northern Sydney in suboptimal territorial arrangements. We have enough of them in RL, we don’t need more.

In other words you don't want north shore area to end up like the bay area... touchè

 

[mongoose]

They haven’t swallowed up anything. St George teams that can’t put a comp together are playing in the Cronulla comp, that’s it. Cronulla’s numbers are impressive, but they haven’t taken over St George’s area officially, all those old structures are still in place. As I was saying, it’s an indictment on the suboptimal arrangements in place. It would be good if all those teams in the St George and Cronulla regions all played in the one comp across all ages and fed into one team. Instead we’ve got St George split across the old St George region and the Illawarra region and Cronulla in the middle.

I’ve set out the reasons why I don’t think they should get a licence, unless it’s a complete, wholesale relocation. Their language all along makes it clear how important they view retaining the North Shore, it’s as if their new region is an afterthought- it’s all about how many games they can get in Sydney, their ownership, their brand etc.

Allowing them to retain the North Shore and get their demands doesn’t help many, other than themselves and those who want to indulge in the nostalgia of a Bears return. Indulging that nostalgia isn’t worth compromising the potential success of a stand-alone WA team, nor is it worth trapping northern Sydney in suboptimal territorial arrangements. We have enough of them in RL, we don’t need more.

This, All the the language I have heard from the Bears camp has been about rekindling the old brand and connecting to the existing Bears fans in Sydney, not expansion and growth in Perth. Should be a huge red flag for the NRL.

 

[MugaB]

This, All the the language I have heard from the Bears camp has been about rekindling the old brand and connecting to the existing Bears fans in Sydney, not expansion and growth in Perth. Should be a huge red flag for the NRL.

Mmmmmm.... pvl doesn't seem to think so..
All I'm saying is he is looking at it from a brand point of view... bringing in a familiar brand people generally don't hate... ( and manly fans dont count) and set it up in a foreign market where the game is somewhat played/accepted and encouraged, and has potential for growth like perth or nz, seems to be a no brainer... if say puddy sticks his hand up and say yep we are resurrecting the reds, I'll be all for it, but it would need to get some partnership involved for some talent beneath the 1st grade squad, like what PR mentioned with a Qcup side.. but at the moment any and all news seems to be about the bears doing this or doing it in another location, dependant on the ARLCs wishes