WA BEARS

[Iamback]

I’m sure they could find a modest amount of Sydney based fans and offer a membership package that allows them to attend a few away games every year.

Opening the door to even one home game at NSO or SFS would lead to them pushing for 2 then 4 then 6 then probably 12 at the first sign of struggle.

more the other way. Once the Perth side of it is flying then Bears and Sydney will fade away

 

[Perth Red]

For years we've heard that North Sydney has no juniors anymore because everyone on the North Shore are now Swans fans.

No juniors on the North Shore.

No money at Norths Leagues.

No benefit to Perth.

Hang on you have been about NZ2 to damage Union or Brisabne3 to damage AFL.
Surely getting kids playing RL in North Sydney again would damage Union AND AFL in that city according to your logic?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The biggest challenge at this end I could see is the perception that it is just a relocated failed Sydney club that would be looking to move back and take the license with them at the first opportunity.
WA is incredibly parochial, think Queensland then double it! We get behind our sports teams regardless of the sport. For this to work it will have to overcome that perception. Ownership make up will be critical. Maybe a 20% Bears, 20% NRLWA (though that is now complicated since the NRL took over the WARL and in effect would mean NRL owning a share in a club which could be seen as a conflict) and 60% local business consortium would be the way to go?

I'd hope we would have at the least a WA based SG Ball and NSW cup team in alongside a Bears Sydney based Hm, SG ball and NSW cup sides. Bears LC to fund the Sydney pathway set up as it does now and WA Bears NRL club to fund the NRLWA and Perth based pathway. In effect that would be putting $4mill plus into Jnr development pathways for the new club, pretty impressive and another tick in Vlandys box.

When Origin is played in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth the majority of locals support Queensland because they hate NSW. I cannot see people from Perth wanting anything to do with a Sydney club when they hate the state almost as much as they hate Victoria. The biggest gripe of Western Australians is how everything is centred on Melbourne and Sydney. An NSWRL team playing 10 games in Perth and two in Sydney would add to the perception that everything is run by Melbourne and Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

more the other way. Once the Perth side of it is flying then Bears and Sydney will fade away

I guess one condition that NS would put on it is they would always own the brand. That's an interesting one! What if they fall out? What if NS go bust? What if NS don't want to play ball anymore because they think there's a better opportunity? I think they would have to accept the WA Bears (or whatever) would be allowed to be trademarked and owned by the club not by them.

 

[MugaB]

I’m sure they could find a modest amount of Sydney based fans and offer a membership package that allows them to attend a few away games every year.

Opening the door to even one home game at NSO or SFS would lead to them pushing for 2 then 4 then 6 then probably 12 at the first sign of struggle.

That's why ive been saying only trial games, perth need the bulk of this,
Bears are just involved to represent!!!!.. (peace!!!)

Nah seriously, i think grotd is an alf fan, and only gibbers here to spoil the thread, if he doesn't like the idea of the thread, why then does the need to spew out hatred everywhere....
I reckon he was that cowboy fan last nite, you know the one shoutin stuff to hastings..
Yeah that one... go PVL, go you good thing!!!

 

[MugaB]

Hang on you have been about NZ2 to damage Union or Brisabne3 to damage AFL.
Surely getting kids playing RL in North Sydney again would damage Union AND AFL in that city according to your logic?

He aint got no logic brother, just hatin on anything sydney.... it been that way since day dot

 

[Perth Red]

When Origin is played in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth the majority of locals support Queensland because they hate NSW. I cannot see people from Perth wanting anything to do with a Sydney club when they hate the state almost as much as they hate Victoria. The biggest gripe of Western Australians is how everything is centred on Melbourne and Sydney. An NSWRL team playing 10 games in Perth and two in Sydney would add to the perception that everything is run by Melbourne and Sydney.

I dont think anyone thinks this idea is ideal. I certainly dont and still think the Pirates as a WA unique brand owned 100% by rich Perth people is by far the better option.
HOWEVER if it is the only way Perth gets an NRL club in the next 20 years or so then it has to be considered and as long as the conditions are right then I could get behind it. I have no love or hate for the Bears so they are a pretty neutral proposition for me from that point of view. If done right and well it could be a strong outcome. If not it could be a disaster that would make the demise of the Reds look like a tea party!

 

[MugaB]

When Origin is played in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth the majority of locals support Queensland because they hate NSW. I cannot see people from Perth wanting anything to do with a Sydney club when they hate the state almost as much as they hate Victoria. The biggest gripe of Western Australians is how everything is centred on Melbourne and Sydney. An NSWRL team playing 10 games in Perth and two in Sydney would add to the perception that everything is run by Melbourne and Sydney.

Perth hates sydney.. whatever pal... blues put 40 on the Morons from up north, to a cheering wet perth crowd

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Hang on you have been about NZ2 to damage Union or Brisabne3 to damage AFL.
Surely getting kids playing RL in North Sydney again would damage Union AND AFL in that city according to your logic?

I've said the Brisbane Firehawks would hurt the Brisbane Lions as they represent the same region and there's only so many billboards and sponsorship money on the table. The Dolphins don't do shit to the Lions as they're based 40km away.

NZ2 would give local kids a chance to earn good money playing football without having to run to Australia or European onionball.

North Sydney doesn't add shit as there's nine other clubs for them to support.

 

[bad boy bubby]

I guess one condition that NS would put on it is they would always own the brand. That's an interesting one! What if they fall out? What if NS go bust? What if NS don't want to play ball anymore because they think there's a better opportunity? I think they would have to accept the WA Bears (or whatever) would be allowed to be trademarked and owned by the club not by them.

I'd have to check but don't the NRL own the trademarks?
I know for a fact that they own the Sharks one.

 

[MugaB]

more the other way. Once the Perth side of it is flying then Bears and Sydney will fade away

This wont happen if the bears is the mascot,
I reckon the bears think they are the dragons, to Perths illawarra, when in reality the bears are the balmain to perths wests

 

[flippikat]

I dont think anyone thinks this idea is ideal. I certainly dont and still think the Pirates as a WA unique brand owned 100% by rich Perth people is by far the better option.
HOWEVER if it is the only way Perth gets an NRL club in the next 20 years or so then it has to be considered and as long as the conditions are right then I could get behind it. I have no love or hate for the Bears so they are a pretty neutral proposition for me from that point of view. If done right and well it could be a strong outcome. If not it could be a disaster that would make the demise of the Reds look like a tea party!

It needs to be crystal clear that Norths CANNOT under any circumstances do what Manly did with the Northern Eagles license.

That's the "Mother of all bottom lines" here.

The team stays in Perth, no matter what happens.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I dont think anyone thinks this idea is ideal. I certainly dont and still think the Pirates as a WA unique brand owned 100% by rich Perth people is by far the better option.
HOWEVER if it is the only way Perth gets an NRL club in the next 20 years or so then it has to be considered and as long as the conditions are right then I could get behind it. I have no love or hate for the Bears so they are a pretty neutral proposition for me from that point of view. If done right and well it could be a strong outcome. If not it could be a disaster that would make the demise of the Reds look like a tea party!

I don't trust the Bears or ARLC to do what's best for Perth. They were quick to abandon Central Coast for Gold Coast when they thought it would get them into the NRL. Now they're saddling up with Perth. Their loyalty is to no one but themselves.

Hopefully the WA government use this as a media stunt to get the ARLC to see the merits of Perth, then put together a bid that blows the Bears out of the park. It'll be hard for the ARLC to turn down a local bid that makes more business sense than the lowly Bears.

 

[Wb1234]

With the Govt on board as well it should hopefully mean cheap rental of HBF park so those memberships become a lot of profit margin. I don't think Bears LC is doing that great so not sure what they could afford to chip in but hopefully it would be something. With corporates on North shore combined with corporates in Perth and potential millionaire owners this could become a very wealthy club indeed. Not that it always translates to success as Broncos have found out in recent years.

Corporate support from Perth won’t be an issue

cash converters will still be on board

and the govt isn’t mucking around. Only issue is if the bears ask for too much. They better not look a gift horse in the mouth

Just looked at Bears annual report. In 2019 they had $58mill income and a surplus of $780k. Not much but they did also have $4mill in donations, sponsorship etc, so I guess some of that could be redirected to contribute their share of funding to the new venture.

Just looked at Bears annual report. In 2019 they had $58mill income and a surplus of $780k. Not much but they did also have $4mill in donations, sponsorship etc, so I guess some of that could be redirected to contribute their share of funding to the new venture.

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they don’t budget for profits

someone said the area had a large increase in juniors last year I’m sure that’s who funded it

 

[Iamback]

I guess one condition that NS would put on it is they would always own the brand. That's an interesting one! What if they fall out? What if NS go bust? What if NS don't want to play ball anymore because they think there's a better opportunity? I think they would have to accept the WA Bears (or whatever) would be allowed to be trademarked and owned by the club not by them.

I would presume Perth would have the licence. What they call it shouldn't matter in that case

 

[Wb1234]

you missed the point, they know how sydney centric Vlandys is, so yes bringing back a dead Sydney club does make sense to strengthen a bid, not because it is necessarily the best option, but because it floats Vlandys boat.

Yeh well that’s how the world works sunshine

politics is everything

wa just played the game and came up trumps

Perth had one guy to impress and they just did

and nobody before him has delivered on a Perth team at least this guy does things rather than talking a good story then letting the clubs railroad them

 

[Wb1234]

I would presume Perth would have the licence. What they call it shouldn't matter in that case

I suspect a joint venture. Which could be an issue . I’m sure the bears will want a share and also seats on the board

they better not expect 50 percent

 

[Wb1234]

Hang on you have been about NZ2 to damage Union or Brisabne3 to damage AFL.
Surely getting kids playing RL in North Sydney again would damage Union AND AFL in that city according to your logic?

It’s sydney he doesn’t care about those sports making inroads lmao

 

[Menaiduck]

Corporate support from Perth won’t be an issue

cash converters will still be on board

and the govt isn’t mucking around. Only issue is if the bears ask for too much. They better not look a gift horse in the mouth

Just looked at Bears annual report. In 2019 they had $58mill income and a surplus of $780k. Not much but they did also have $4mill in donations, sponsorship etc, so I guess some of that could be redirected to contribute their share of funding to the new venture.

they don’t budget for profits

someone said the area had a large increase in juniors last year I’m sure that’s who funded it

Their junior numbers have spiked this year that’s for sure. 110 teams this year. The two reformed clubs kuringai and lane cove have 23 between them all under 17s. Check the play rugby league site for this data. Each club lists it’s teams.

 

[Iamback]

I suspect a joint venture. Which could be an issue . I’m sure the bears will want a share and also seats on the board

they better not expect 50 percent

No way Perth bid invites them in. Then allows a 50/50 split