WA BEARS

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

WA is already supplying Jnrs to NRL clubs.
there is no hypothetical about it, ANY new club coming into the NRL is signing an entire first grade squad from existing rosters. Dolphins have just yet again proved that. One way to lesson that impact is to give a new club cap dispensation to sign from SL and Union. Should have happened for dolphins and should def happen for a set up in a non heartland city.

And you ignored the entire argument you are making, how can Perth, Wellington or Adelaide run a NSW cup side when A) all the best jnrs that are being developed in those areas head to already established NRL or local Union pathways and B) without pokies or an NRL club financing it its impossible to fund. Hence why there isnt a club in NSW cup or Qlnd cup that doesn't have one, or both, of those two funding sources.

Cowboys based their 1995 squad around local untried players. They struggled to compete. In some games they almost pulled off an upset, but were flogged more often than not by 30-50 points. The club won just two games. They're proof that a new club needs established first graders.

 

[MugaB]

WA is already supplying Jnrs to NRL clubs.
there is no hypothetical about it, ANY new club coming into the NRL is signing an entire first grade squad from existing rosters. Dolphins have just yet again proved that. One way to lesson that impact is to give a new club cap dispensation to sign from SL and Union. Should have happened for dolphins and should def happen for a set up in a non heartland city.

And you ignored the entire argument you are making, how can Perth, Wellington or Adelaide run a NSW cup side when A) all the best jnrs that are being developed in those areas head to already established NRL or local Union pathways and B) without pokies or an NRL club financing it its impossible to fund. Hence why there isnt a club in NSW cup or Qlnd cup that doesn't have one, or both, of those two funding sources.

Haha what like 1 or 2 juniors a year, I'm taking 10-15
A year... again with the no pokies argument, how's that relevant, dont you have your tony sage or cash converters type investors involved, what difference does it matter who foots the bill for a club to run out competitions, can even run a website apparently...

Again NRL/ARLC aren't setting up expansion sides, or competitions they are just handing out licences to those who know what it takes to run an actual club... they aren't doing that, you're mistaken if you think Perth is important to them if your not giving them anything in return of value... sure moneys great, but they'll get that thru the broadcasters and sponsors for the 18th team/9th game even if its a CC team.. which I'm not advocating for but you have to realise, your best chance is the bears

 

[Perth Red]

Haha what like 1 or 2 juniors a year, I'm taking 10-15
A year... again with the no pokies argument, how's that relevant, dont you have your tony sage or cash converters type investors involved, what difference does it matter who foots the bill for a club to run out competitions, can even run a website apparently...

Again NRL/ARLC aren't setting up expansion sides, or competitions they are just handing out licences to those who know what it takes to run an actual club... they aren't doing that, you're mistaken if you think Perth is important to them if your not giving them anything in return of value... sure moneys great, but they'll get that thru the broadcasters and sponsors for the 18th team/9th game even if its a CC team.. which I'm not advocating for but you have to realise, your best chance is the bears

It is at moment as there is no investment and no pathway. You're arguing a chicken and egg here.

No one is going to pump $1-1.5mil year into a second grade side, for no return, no one. I'm sure if the NRl had said spend three years funding a second grade side and the NRl license is yours guaranteed thats a different scenario. Cumins has pumped $300k a year into Sg ball and grassroots RL for a decade and still no nearer a NRL license. There is NO second grade side currently set up in the way you are saying it should be, NONE. You're asking people to speculate millions of $'s of their own money with absolutely no kind of guarantee. In fact given the NRL's behaviour re Perth less than no guarantee.

If Perth is important to them the 18th club will be here. If it isn't it wont. Neither you nor I know the answer to that one, yet.

the best chance of total disaster and no perth club again within ten years is the Bears (as their demands currently stand)

 

[Wb1234]

It is at moment as there is no investment and no pathway. You're arguing a chicken and egg here.

No one is going to pump $1-1.5mil year into a second grade side, for no return, no one. I'm sure if the NRl had said spend three years funding a second grade side and the NRl license is yours guaranteed thats a different scenario. Cumins has pumped $300k a year into Sg ball and grassroots RL for a decade and still no nearer a NRL license. There is NO second grade side currently set up in the way you are saying it should be, NONE. You're asking people to speculate millions of $'s of their own money with absolutely no kind of guarantee. In fact given the NRL's behaviour re Perth less than no guarantee.

If Perth is important to them the 18th club will be here. If it isn't it wont. Neither you nor I know the answer to that one, yet.

the best chance of total disaster and no perth club again within ten years is the Bears (as their demands currently stand)

You don’t know what the bears demands are either

 

[Canard]

Cowboys based their 1995 squad around local untried players. They struggled to compete. In some games they almost pulled off an upset, but were flogged more often than not by 30-50 points. The club won just two games. They're proof that a new club needs established first graders.

The majority of the 95 Cowboys squad had NRL (ARL in those days) experience or where in ARL systems, with very few locals initially.

They were just the bottom of the barrel in terms of talent or old has beens. They were a classic example of not giving a club enough time to put together a competent squad.

 

[Canard]

Their name is somewhat famous in Sydney, but it hasn't translated into them becoming a financially viable club with a large active fanbase. In the 90s they were forced into merging with Illawarra due to financial problems. The merged entity draws some of the lowest attendances in the competition.

Didn't they have financial problems a few years ago?

Valleys were popular in Brisbane but they still went bust.

Dragons and Valleys struggled for relevance in an overcrowded market with changing demographics. Fortitude Valley is home to Brisbane's China Town and St George has a large Chinese community. Neither club went out of its way to market themselves to the Chinese communities in their regions.

The English are far more likely than the Chinese to embrace a St George Lions team that is a quasi-English team.

They could remain the St George Dragons, but wouldn’t that turn off patriotic Brits who revere St George for slaying the dragon?

Broncos and Storm would have a larger profile around the country than the Rabbitohs and Dragons.

You still haven't explained how appealing to patriotic "Brits" would help a Sydeny based team in any way?

And do you really think that modern English (not Brits) "revere" St George??? And if they did that they would be turned off by the name dragon?

 

[mongoose]

Their name is somewhat famous in Sydney, but it hasn't translated into them becoming a financially viable club with a large active fanbase. In the 90s they were forced into merging with Illawarra due to financial problems. The merged entity draws some of the lowest attendances in the competition.

Didn't they have financial problems a few years ago?

Valleys were popular in Brisbane but they still went bust.

Dragons and Valleys struggled for relevance in an overcrowded market with changing demographics. Fortitude Valley is home to Brisbane's China Town and St George has a large Chinese community. Neither club went out of its way to market themselves to the Chinese communities in their regions.

The English are far more likely than the Chinese to embrace a St George Lions team that is a quasi-English team.

They could remain the St George Dragons, but wouldn’t that turn off patriotic Brits who revere St George for slaying the dragon?

Broncos and Storm would have a larger profile around the country than the Rabbitohs and Dragons.

Dragons have been poorly run since Bennett departed at the end of 2011. Their attendances aren't any worse on average than any other Sydney club though. Every Sydney team averages between 9k and 16k depending on form. It's really only the Eels, Bulldogs and Rabbitohs that can exceed that baseline when they are going well. If Panthers had a bigger ground I think they would have been averaging 20k the last few years. Tigers could probably get up to 20k if they had a proper home ground and starting challenging for a premiership.

Why should the Dragons be targeting ex pat brits? are you saying that all other NRL clubs have a large contingent of British fans and the Dragons are missing out because their mascot is too off-putting?

 

[Perth Red]

You don’t know what the bears demands are either

errr, yes we do lol

'We want to be re-admitted and we’ve got these very, very small number of non-negotiables: our colours; our badge; we want somewhere between two to four games at North Sydney Oval — one of those must be against Manly — and we want that the rights of the 18th licence will always sit with the North Sydney Rugby League Football Club.'

The Bears will go anywhere for the NRL bid... but these are their ‘non-negotiables’

The Bears will go anywhere for NRL return... but these are their ‘non-negotiables’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Wb1234]

errr, yes we do lol

'We want to be re-admitted and we’ve got these very, very small number of non-negotiables: our colours; our badge; we want somewhere between two to four games at North Sydney Oval — one of those must be against Manly — and we want that the rights of the 18th licence will always sit with the North Sydney Rugby League Football Club.'

The Bears will go anywhere for the NRL bid... but these are their ‘non-negotiables’

The Bears will go anywhere for NRL return... but these are their ‘non-negotiables’

www.foxsports.com.au

So two games a year, their colours and logo and ownership will kill a Perth team

lmao

 

[Pneuma]

The donk and the pommy dipstick are getting owned this afternoon.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The majority of the 95 Cowboys squad had NRL (ARL in those days) experience or where in ARL systems, with very few locals initially.

They were just the bottom of the barrel in terms of talent or old has beens. They were a classic example of not giving a club enough time to put together a competent squad.

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Did you bother to look at where the players from the 1995 squad were born and raised?

The following players from the list were born in North Queensland and Central Queensland:

Ray Blackman, Andrew Dunemann, Ian Dunemann, Shane Christensen, Reggie Crestbrook, Jason Erba, Paul Galea, Damian Gibson, Leigh Groves, Michael Hogue, Steven Holmes, Peter Jones, Aaron Ketchell, Justin Loomans, David Maiden, Andrew Meads, Paul Morris, Glen Morris and Dean Schifilitti were from North Queensland and Central Queensland.

1995 North Queensland Cowboys season - Wikipedia

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The majority of them played lower grade NSWRL or BRL before 1995. Some played a game or two in first grade.

The ARL didn't begin until 1995. Once again you've made a fool out of yourself.

 

[Canard]

The ARL didn't begin until 1995. Once again you've made a fool out of yourself.

What? What are you talking about? What was the competition called in 1995 then???

Did you bother to look at where the players from the 1995 squad were born and raised?

The following players from the list were born in North Queensland and Central Queensland:

Ray Blackman, Andrew Dunemann, Ian Dunemann, Shane Christensen, Reggie Crestbrook, Jason Erba, Paul Galea, Damian Gibson, Leigh Groves, Michael Hogue, Steven Holmes, Peter Jones, Aaron Ketchell, Justin Loomans, David Maiden, Andrew Meads, Paul Morris, Glen Morris and Dean Schifilitti were from North Queensland and Central Queensland.

1995 North Queensland Cowboys season - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The majority of them played lower grade NSWRL or BRL before 1995. Some played a game or two in firsy grade

The ARL didn't begin until 1995. Once again you've made a fool out of yourself.

You said the Cowboys based on their side on local UNTRIED players.

Dean Schifilitti played 108 games of NSWRL.

Martin Bella almost 200 games.

Jason Martin - 66 games

There was local players in the squad (this is what the club was set up for), but it was more a NRL reserve grade side then a purely locals side.

Some of those you listed above played less than a few games (David Maiden - 2 games)

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You still haven't explained how appealing to patriotic "Brits" would help a Sydeny based team in any way?

And do you really think that modern English (not Brits) "revere" St George??? And if they did that they would be turned off by the name dragon?

A few posts ago I said they could play their games around Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.

There are plenty of patriotic Englishmen and women who are proud to display the Cross of St George. Unfortunately they're not allowed to do so because the British Government hates white people. An English team in the NRL that proudly adorns the Cross of St George would appeal to Englishmen and women who are sick of being treated like second class citizens in their own country.

World Cup: England Fans NOT Allowed To Fly the Flag in Support

England fans have been ordered by police to take down St George’s flags on his house so that it would not offend foreigners. Flags are being taken down all over the country by stupid people...

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[Wb1234]

The donk and the pommy dipstick are getting owned this afternoon.

Wow

donkey thought the comp was still called the nswrl in 94 / 95

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

What? What are you talking about? What was the competition called in 1995 then???

You said these players were recruited from the ARL.

The ARL didn't begin until 1995!

Here's your exact statement:

The majority of the 95 Cowboys squad had NRL (ARL in those days) experience or where in ARL systems, with very few locals initially.

You said the Cowboys based on their side on local UNTRIED players.

They did. Most of the players in their squad were lower graders at other clubs.

Dean Schifilitti played 108 games of NSWRL.

Martin Bella almost 200 games.

Jason Martin - 66 games

That's three players. Three does not equate to most of the squad.

There was local players in the squad (this is what the club was set up for), but it was more a NRL reserve grade side then a purely locals side.

Some of those you listed above played less than a few games (David Maiden - 2 games)

So?

They were still part of the squad. Laurie Spina and Martin Bella were still locals, despite playing in the BRL and NSWRL. They were two of the few tried and tested players in the squad, although Spina had to come out of retirement.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Dragons have been poorly run since Bennett departed at the end of 2011. Their attendances aren't any worse on average than any other Sydney club though. Every Sydney team averages between 9k and 16k depending on form. It's really only the Eels, Bulldogs and Rabbitohs that can exceed that baseline when they are going well. If Panthers had a bigger ground I think they would have been averaging 20k the last few years. Tigers could probably get up to 20k if they had a proper home ground and starting challenging for a premiership.

Why should the Dragons be targeting ex pat brits? are you saying that all other NRL clubs have a large contingent of British fans and the Dragons are missing out because their mascot is too off-putting?

St George Dragons are the only NRL club that wears the colours of England and is named after England's patron saint. The English Government is in the midst of discriminating against its "Indigenous" population by preventing them from flying the Cross of St George.

Appealing to patriotic Englishmen and women might help make rugby league relevant again in England because it'll provide the locals with an opportunity to say "f**k you" to the bastards limiting their freedom. There's plenty of English nationals in Australia.

 

[Perth Red]

So two games a year, their colours and logo and ownership will kill a Perth team

lmao

Yep, it will look, walk and smell like a FIFO sydney club using Perth as a lever back into NRL. The NSW media drums will start beating for more games in sydney, the Perth fans and businesses will see it as a joke and act accordingly and the thing will fall over. Possibly.

'The' Bears in traditional NS kit is not a Perth club
'The' Bears owned by NSLC is def not a Perth club
'The' Bears not playing all games in Perth whilst some in Sydney is batsht crazy when you consider there would then only be 10 games in perth and over 150 in Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

A few posts ago I said they could play their games around Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth.

There are plenty of patriotic Englishmen and women who are proud to display the Cross of St George. Unfortunately they're not allowed to do so because the British Government hates white people. An English team in the NRL that proudly adorns the Cross of St George would appeal to Englishmen and women who are sick of being treated like second class citizens in their own country.

World Cup: England Fans NOT Allowed To Fly the Flag in Support

England fans have been ordered by police to take down St George’s flags on his house so that it would not offend foreigners. Flags are being taken down all over the country by stupid people...

syndication.bleacherreport.com

only white english people? Lol
why not the roosters? They are in red white and blue, would appeal to the scots and welsh as well

 

[Colk]

only white english people? Lol
why not the roosters? They are in red white and blue, would appeal to the scots and welsh as well

Wouldn’t they appeal to the French most of all?

 

[Perth Red]

Wouldn’t they appeal to the French most of all?

British, French, Dutch, croatia, russia, serbia, Norway..... the appeal is truly endless