WA BEARS

[Wb1234]

So despite them directly stating they have not and will not change these non negotiables you feel they will.

what are you basing that assumption on?

Real world

try it one time

 

[Perth Red]

Change the name, add to the colours, license to sit with WA. All games in perth.
Accept that and there in, don’t and they can get fcked.

 

[Perth Red]

Real world

try it one time

So nothing. Thought so.

 

[Wb1234]

So nothing. Thought so.

Speed dial vlandys

it’s what will happen you watch

 

[The Great Dane]

They are coming across as a parasite rather than as a symbiot.

It really sucks honestly.

Went from a proud club with a strong history, to vultures that circled any sick and wounded club waiting for a carcase to feast on, to parasites without a host, and all because some people are stuck in past and can't accept the situation for what it is and try to make the best of it.

We could, and should, be the biggest second tier RL club in country, regularly pulling crowds between 5-10k, but instead we've wasted decades chasing pipedreams.

 

[The Great Dane]

The smart thing to do is to tie up the bears now by offering them 25 to 40 percent ownership, 2 home games at nso and the name and the colours then have the 60 percent owned by one of those other rich backers

that bid would be unbeatable but I doubt Perth are smart enough to do this

They've made it abundantly clear that they'd never accept that deal.

 

[The Great Dane]

Speed dial vlandys

it’s what will happen you watch

Even PVL won't be able to convince them to agree to anything less than 100% ownership of the license, and they'd have the power once they got the license.

 

[Wb1234]

It really sucks honestly.

Went from a proud club with a strong history, to vultures that circled any sick and wounded club waiting for a carcase to feast on, to parasites without a host, and all because some people are stuck in past and can't accept the situation for what it is and try to make the best of it.

We could, and should, be the biggest second tier RL club in country, regularly pulling crowds between 5-10k, but instead we've wasted decades chasing pipedreams.

They've made it abundantly clear that they'd never accept that deal.

Wanna bet on this ?

 

[The Great Dane]

Wanna bet on this ?

In all likelihood that deal will never be offered to them, even if it is it'll be done behind closed doors. So how could we ever possibly know who had won or lost the bet?


Besides you'd never pay up if you lost, and you'd also undoubtably assert that you won the bet even if the Bears won a license without having to move on their non-negotiables, which is a very high likelihood of happening IMO.

 

[Wb1234]

In all likelihood that deal will never be offered to them, even if it is it'll be done behind closed doors. So how could we ever possibly know who had won or lost the bet?


Besides you'd never pay up if you lost, and you'd also undoubtably assert that you won the bet even if the Bears won a license without having to move on their non-negotiables, which is a very high likelihood of happening IMO.

So no bet

I’m shocked Dane

absolutely flabbergasted

it could even be something as simple as one of us changes our username to iamadope lmao

 

[The Great Dane]

So no bet

I’m shocked Dane

absolutely flabbergasted

it could even be something as simple as one of us changes our username to iamadope lmao

There'd be no point when it's extremely unlikely that we'd ever find out who the winner of the bet was.

 

[Wb1234]

There'd be no point when it's extremely unlikely that we'd ever find out who the winner of the bet was.

It’ll be me

and i will remind you when im right

despite your essays the bears will have to negotiate or they will get nothing

it’s obvious what they will have to negotiate

Nobody is giving them 100 percent ownership

so faced between nothing or 40 percent of something I know which one they will choose

foxtel are far keener on a bears team than Perth as well

 

[Perth Red]

It’ll be me

and i will remind you when im right

despite your essays the bears will have to negotiate or they will get nothing

it’s obvious what they will have to negotiate

Nobody is giving them 100 percent ownership

so faced between nothing or 40 percent of something I know which one they will choose

You honestly believe after what weve read the bears will accept a minor ownership share, no games in sydney and a change to the brand? Now who’s not living in the real world?

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

The first part is a little obtuse. I don’t know what examples you are referring to?

You'd have to trawl through various expansion threads to find examples. Good luck, if you want to try.

Essentially, they are your responses to my repeated argument that an expanded NRL means more teams losing games each week and more clubs not making the finals each year. And the challenges that poses to a comp whose culture promotes winning and making the finals, usually to the exclusion of all else.

Also, promotion/relegation won’t work in Australia.

That's accepted. Even in the small congested setting of UK RL, promotion/relegation brings more curses than blessings.

One overlooked reason it works for Soccer is the game on the field. An impecunious Soccer club can scrape together 1-0 and 0-0 results against wealthier opposition. This affords the chance to gradually rise through the divisions in their national pyramid system.

A similar gulf in resources in RL would produce 60,70 point massacres. Impossible to make progress against that backdrop. Clubs tend to get stuck at whatever level they currently are at.

Without promotion/relegation NRL will have to find other ways to retain interest towards the bottom end of the ladder. If all supporters were as loyal and committed as Knights fans there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Wb1234]

You honestly believe after what weve read the bears will accept a minor ownership share, no games in sydney and a change to the brand? Now who’s not living in the real world?

Yep I do

bears have no chance otherwise

they can’t be that stupid

why did you change the rules ?

it’s 2 games in Sydney and the colours and name

those are non negotiable

total ownership isn’t

 

[Wb1234]

You'd have to trawl through various expansion threads to find examples. Good luck, if you want to try.

Essentially, they are your responses to my repeated argument that an expanded NRL means more teams losing games each week and more clubs not making the finals each year. And the challenges that poses to a comp whose culture promotes winning and making the finals, usually to the exclusion of all else.


That's accepted. Even in the small congested setting of UK RL, promotion/relegation brings more curses than blessings.

One overlooked reason it works for Soccer is the game on the field. An impecunious Soccer club can scrape together 1-0 and 0-0 results against wealthier opposition. This affords the chance to gradually rise through the divisions in their national pyramid system.

A similar gulf in resources in RL would produce 60,70 point massacres. Impossible to make progress against that backdrop. Clubs tend to get stuck at whatever level they currently are at.

Without promotion/relegation NRL will have to find other ways to retain interest towards the bottom end of the ladder. If all supporters were as loyal and committed as Knights fans there wouldn't be a problem.

P and r works for soccer because there are 80 to 100 decent sized soccer clubs

 

[Perth Red]

Yep I do

bears have no chance otherwise

they can’t be that stupid

why did you change the rules ?

it’s 2 games in Sydney and the colours and name

those are non negotiable

total ownership isn’t

Hah of course they can, and they will be. Why? Becaus the nrl hasn’t had the balls to tell them anything different. They’re arrogant enough to believe if they dont get in now they’ll get back sometime somehow.

nope brand has to change to represent the NEW club. Name of city and some additional colour to reflect the city they now belong to. The city will only get 12 games, there will be 9 games in sydney for old north Sydney fans to go to.

 

[Wb1234]

Hah of course they can, and they will be. Why? Becaus the nrl hasn’t had the balls to tell them anything different. They’re arrogant enough to believe if they dont get in now they’ll get back sometime somehow.

nope brand has to change to represent the NEW club. Name of city and some additional colour to reflect the city they now belong to. The city will only get 12 games, there will be 9 games in sydney for old north Sydney fans to go to.

Semantics

obviously it’s not going to be called north Sydney

Perth bears in black and red (throw some yellow instead of the white)

minimum bears are going to accept is one game at nso

that and their ownership share can vary to 25 percent

and unless the wa govt are dopes they aren’t going to spend 150 million on hbf park with the possibility of the club moving back to Sydney

they will demand a controlling interest and there will be conditions in the license banning this

 

[The Great Dane]

It’ll be me

and i will remind you when im right

despite your essays the bears will have to negotiate or they will get nothing

it’s obvious what they will have to negotiate

Nobody is giving them 100 percent ownership

so faced between nothing or 40 percent of something I know which one they will choose

foxtel are far keener on a bears team than Perth as well

None of this addresses what my concern about the bet was. My concern would be how we'd actually find out whose name the license is in, because that's what the bet would really rest on.

BTW, they've had 4-5 opportunities to negotiate in the past and refused to move on those non-negotiables every single time, so what makes it different this time?

There's also been no actual discussions about a merger so far. That might change in the future, but currently there's nobody for them to split ownership with.

 

[The Great Dane]

Yep I do

bears have no chance otherwise

they can’t be that stupid

why did you change the rules ?

it’s 2 games in Sydney and the colours and name

those are non negotiable

total ownership isn’t

Total ownership of the license is one of their non-negotiables.

The license has to be in their name or they won't accept any deal.